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I think that oVerboost is missing the bolded (by me) part of your statement. I don't think any discretionary gadget is going to sell particularly "well" during the current situation. That said, it's actually possible that the new 9/SE could sell *better* than it was originally expected to sell, as there could be people who had an older (or broken) phone and were planning to upgrade to an 11 or 11 Pro, but who might now decide to get a 9/SE instead.
Fair, this was never going to be a device that set immediate sales records. It's a phone to sit in the line up for many years, providing steady, regular sales. And like you rightly stated, due to the current situation many people find themselves in, a cheaper phone is definitely going to attract people who would normally buy a flagship, but perhaps are re-evaluating their need to buy a 1k+ device.
The point I am arguing, is the fact that people are saying it shouldn't be released now. No one can give a decent argument as to why they should scrap a device that is already produced, already tested, already packaged up and ready to ship. That would cost Apple even more of a loss than if they released it. If people don't buy it, because they're worried, poor or happy with what they already have then the figures will suggest this and I'll happily be the first to say I was wrong. But echoing my point, bringing this out now, at the price it's going to be, is a good idea - not a bad one.
Sorry, I don't think I read the entire thread. I agree with you. Of course, I'm a bit biased because I'm currently using an SE, because I prefer the smaller size. It sounds like Apple won't be releasing an SE-sized device, so this 9/SE2 is looking like it will have to be "good enough" for people like me.
I'm not sure if it's due to an iOS update or what, but I've been increasingly noticing my SE's battery life is absolutely awful. I also miss the better camera that my XS has. I bought the XS new, but later bought the SE and put my XS in a drawer, because I hated the extra size/weight and wasn't a fan of Face ID. So if this 9/SE2 has a camera that offers PQ close to the latest iPhone models, I'll probably be buying one, and officially hand over my XS to my wife, who has been patiently suffering with her old 6+. If the 9/SE2 has a sucky camera, I may decide to switch back to the XS and deal with the increased size (and my wife will have to wait for the next Pro-level iPhone to come out for me to upgrade to, before I give her my XS).
Yep. Speaking as someone with an iPhone 7 on its last legs, I'd rather have the SE2 released sooner rather than later.
It's $449 for a new iPhone 8 or ~$348 ($319+$29) for iPhone 7 OOW repair with express replacement. Heck, yeah I want the SE2 now.
The 5.4" iPhone later this year will be pretty close to an updated original SE with the latest tech. Obviously it won't be as cheap, which maybe another reason Apple chose to release the upcoming SE, so that people didn't complain that the new "small" iPhone is also expensive. It will likely be XR money (now) with the regular 12 taking over the 11 price point. Neither will have OLED, that is still going to the Pro models.
My own SE has decent battery life generally, but if I start using it heavily, it's not enjoyable if I'm not near a charger to top it up so I'm not left with a dead phone. I did a similar thing to yourself, had an SE sold it and bought a 11 Pro and then sold that as it was giving me headaches and I couldn't justify the cost for my usage. I then bought a brand new SE 128GB model which I am still using and is still 100% battery health etc. But my usage has changed since buying the SE and in hindsight keeping the 11 Pro might have been a better option, but the new SE is going to be perfect, but same as you if the camera isn't good - I may go and give the up-coming Pixel 4A a chance although I am quite invested in the Apple ecosystem. I am however, almost certain it will get the 11 main lens and latest software for the camera tech such as night mode, even if a slightly different version for the SE. It needs to remain future proof as they are going to be selling it for the next 3 years maybe longer.
it was never meant to be today as its holiday and unlikely tomorrow as Apple does always tuesdays unless there is a holiday on monday in which case it falls on wednesday. I think its safe to say that it won't happen tomorrow and the likelihood is on wednesday.
The suspense is killing me so I would rather be wrong but I feel it will be the usual Apple's schedule and therefore wednesday it is
The suspense is killing me so I would rather be wrong but I feel it will be the usual Apple's schedule and therefore wednesday it is
Of course I'm speaking from my view, I didn't speak to all the potential buyers out there or those who are interested in it. I just don't think you understand the situation going on right now. I'm in the US and I'm still working fully, i plan on buying the OnePlus 8 whenever it's available. But I know many ppl here aren't working and a new phone that isn't really new like that isn't going to make them spend their savings even if it's $15/month. They have bigger fish to fry. Also the retail stores are closed. I just use logic to come to that conclusion. Many without jobs during a pandemic filing for unemployment, being furloughed or laid off left and right...are not thinking about no iPhone SE when they have a perfectly working smartphone in their hand. It's just logic or common sense I should say.
I disagree. There aren’t people losing jobs left and right, unless the companies are run poorly. Governments are helping out massively to ensure the loss of jobs is minimal.
One Plus 8 is available tomorrow, but it’s from cheap. But there are people in a situation to yourself who will buying the new device like you are for the One Plus 8 Pro.
You think it’s not enticing enough, pretty much all the replies in this thread prove you point invalid. Come back on here once it’s released, and then you’ll see who has ordered their new iPhone SE full of old tech. If there are none, your proved right.
What about businesses? They have contracts with phone providers, for work phones. When everyone is working from home, surely a company would sign up to X amount of reliable devices from a trusted brand like Apple over some cheap Android crap if that’s the only other option open to them, if Apple were to not bring this device to the market?
If things are as bad as you say they are, maybe you should keep the perfectly working phone you have. Which is what you are saying everyone should and will be doing...
I think your being very hypocritical by saying Apple shouldn’t release this device due to this, due to that... yet say your going to buy the new One Plus 8 Pro device. Surely by the same logic they shouldn’t be releasing that either because no one will have the money to buy it?!
... Yet you do. And you will buy it. What makes you so special? Nothing. There are millions in the same position as you who will buy the new SE across the globe.
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You keep mentioning people having perfectly working phones. Maybe for the ones who upgraded within the last 3 years, sure. For those of us with 4 year old or older devices, there's already varying degrees of aches and pains.
The iPhone 8 exists but if one is after longevity, replacing a 4-yr old phone with something that's already 3 years old isn't the way to go about it and the iPhone 8 is going to cost the same $15/mo as the SE2 anyway. The SE2 sports a dated design but so did the original SE and performance-wise, it's lasted pretty well. The 5s it replaced? Not so much. Between spending $449 on a 3-year old device and $399 on a device that looks the same but has faster chipset and more RAM, I know which option I'd choose.
The iPhone SE2 is ready now. I don't see any good reason to artificially delay the SE2's release. Apple hasn't stopped selling iPhones. Sure, sales are slower than normal but they're still selling them. Might as well get the release out of the way and get the SE2 into customers' hands who need phone replacements now.
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You can disagree all you want but the fact is people are losing their jobs and I know that first hand. I work in the food industry and ppl are being laid off everywhere, reduced hours etc...friends of mine in other fields are being furloughed...I mean I shouldnt have to explain that to you, if you don't know what's going on out there then I don't know what to tell you.
OnePlus 8 will be unveiled tomorrow but I'm not sure if it will be sold starting tomorrow. Lol, of course ppl like myself will buy phones. So wait, you really thought I meant not a single soul will buy the SE??? Come on man stop it haha. What I'm saying is the pandemic is going to affect the sales, I don't need any data whatsoever to prove that. I just use common sense.
A bunch of phonenatics like us here in forums do not represent the mainstream ppl out there.
So to be clear because I think you misunderstood me from the jump, yes, there will be ppl buying the iPhone SE. Many. But the pandemic is going to affect that. And even without the pandemic I don't think it would have broken any records. I do think however that it'll do well as time goes on like someone else mentioned. Hope you understand but I didn't think I had to explain that honestly.
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Wait, who said apple should delay the release of this phone? I certainly didn't. You guys are arguing with yourselves. I'm saying I don't think the phone is exciting (spoiler, my opinion), and I don't think many out there will be either. Just because us in forums are doesn't mean the less techie/mainstream consumers will be especially during these hard time. You're the one that said it earlier and you said it very well, the phone will sell well overtime, it just won't sell well right now, I don't see it happening. But apple isn't worried about that since it will do well overtime and they already know the current situation worldwide. But yes, ppl like yourself and others will get the SE, ppl will actually buy it during this pandemic. Again I didn't think I had to emphasize that, that's a given. Everyone's situation is different. I myself am working and work is super busy for me, I have extra cash to spend on toys and I intend to with the OnePlus 8. But my situation is mine, I know many who aren't working right now and won't even know the iPhone SE has been released.
Lol, standard issue at work is Galaxy S10. I remember talking to our IT before and we get Samsung highly discounted (like $200-300 a pop). No such discounts for iPhones.
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Dunno if it's this thread or another but there are several others who've mentioned Apple should delay release of the SE2.
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I am getting the new phone because my SE isn’t working 100% feature wise with my Apple Watch series 5. If that weren’t the case, I would keep rocking my SE.
I don’t need a big phone nor do I want to constantly consume media on my phone. I have a cellular iPad mini 5 that goes with me a lot of the time, for that kind of usage etc.
I could buy anything I want from Apple. That doesn’t necessarily mean doing so is practical. It makes no sense to spend $700 - $1,000 on a phone with a lot of features that will go unused, when I can spend half that on a new phone that should work better with my watch and also meet my basic phone needs, even though it will be a little larger than I want.
I also don’t really care if people buy the new phone or not. It is their money to spend as they wish. All I care about is getting a quality phone at a good price that meets my current needs.
Life moves forward even during a pandemic. It is rather short-sighted to blame Apple or other companies for releasing products during troubled times. No matter what, there will be supply and demand ebb and flows.
Debating the obvious as some of you are doing right now is rather pointless.
Apple doesn’t need protection or a forum defense. They can speak for themselves just fine.
If some of you don’t get the attraction or the mindset of spending money you don’t think should be spent on phones or other items, then move on and stop wasting time in this thread. Nobody has to justify their purchases to any naysayer etc.
I don’t need a big phone nor do I want to constantly consume media on my phone. I have a cellular iPad mini 5 that goes with me a lot of the time, for that kind of usage etc.
I could buy anything I want from Apple. That doesn’t necessarily mean doing so is practical. It makes no sense to spend $700 - $1,000 on a phone with a lot of features that will go unused, when I can spend half that on a new phone that should work better with my watch and also meet my basic phone needs, even though it will be a little larger than I want.
I also don’t really care if people buy the new phone or not. It is their money to spend as they wish. All I care about is getting a quality phone at a good price that meets my current needs.
Life moves forward even during a pandemic. It is rather short-sighted to blame Apple or other companies for releasing products during troubled times. No matter what, there will be supply and demand ebb and flows.
Debating the obvious as some of you are doing right now is rather pointless.
Apple doesn’t need protection or a forum defense. They can speak for themselves just fine.
If some of you don’t get the attraction or the mindset of spending money you don’t think should be spent on phones or other items, then move on and stop wasting time in this thread. Nobody has to justify their purchases to any naysayer etc.
it was never meant to be today as its holiday and unlikely tomorrow as Apple does always tuesdays unless there is a holiday on monday in which case it falls on wednesday. I think its safe to say that it won't happen tomorrow and the likelihood is on wednesday.
The suspense is killing me so I would rather be wrong but I feel it will be the usual Apple's schedule and therefore wednesday it is
This Monday (Easter Monday) is not considered a federal or national holiday in the US, even though in the UK and in other places it may be a "bank holiday."
In a sense, I think the iPhone SE launching this week or say next month, won’t impact sales heavily one way or the other for a device that really is intended To Not be superseded by another device annually, like we see with the more expensive iPhone. It probably won’t receive much marketing, but neither did the SE either. But, the downside with carriers stores primarily being closed, it doesn’t really give the perspective to see the phone ‘hands-on’, even though I don’t think consumers generally need to see this phone to make a purchasing decision if this is something that they would They would want, as it should have a familiar form factor.
And the reality is, this phone will place in Apples line- up for at least two years, which You’ll find consumers upgrading to whenever they’re ‘ready to’, not necessarily just in the month of April when Apple releases it, which the majority of consumers will probably won’t even know about this phone until they research Apple‘s website or see a ‘promotion/trade-in-incentive’ through their carrier.
And the reality is, this phone will place in Apples line- up for at least two years, which You’ll find consumers upgrading to whenever they’re ‘ready to’, not necessarily just in the month of April when Apple releases it, which the majority of consumers will probably won’t even know about this phone until they research Apple‘s website or see a ‘promotion/trade-in-incentive’ through their carrier.
When I try to ask Siri a question, half the time it doesn’t work or Siri will respond by saying lost the connection let me try that again... When trying to make or receive a call on the watch (series 5) it won’t go thru a lot of the time. Dictation on the watch is hit and miss as well. There is an ongoing thread about this. It seems to be affecting a lot of SE users. When I had my XS Max, I didn’t have these kinds of problems. I think it is a Bluetooth issue with the SE. I think getting the new SE may solve my problems.
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Well, today is the day... 
What are people hoping for colour / storage / price wise?
Expected in the following spec with different storage and colour configurations, despite no photos or proper leaks other than info:
A13 PROCESSOR,
SINGLE LENS REAR CAMERA,
WIRELESS CHARGING,
FAST CHARGING,
LAST VERSION OF TOUCH ID (Non moving home button),
INTEL MODEMS (not Qualcomm).
64GB / 128GB / 256GB
BLACK / WHITE / PRODUCT RED
$379-$399+
What are people hoping for colour / storage / price wise?
Expected in the following spec with different storage and colour configurations, despite no photos or proper leaks other than info:
A13 PROCESSOR,
SINGLE LENS REAR CAMERA,
WIRELESS CHARGING,
FAST CHARGING,
LAST VERSION OF TOUCH ID (Non moving home button),
INTEL MODEMS (not Qualcomm).
64GB / 128GB / 256GB
BLACK / WHITE / PRODUCT RED
$379-$399+
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Still April 14 on the west coast.Well, today is the day...
Still April 14 on the west coast.
Hurry up then!
otherwise it won’t get released for the rest of us...
8:45 AM here in Finland. Where is the phone ??Hurry up then!otherwise it won’t get released for the rest of us...