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The iPhone mini with a single camera and LCD panel should be the next SE
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Wild that the SE could include an action button. Feels odd, given the rest of the non-Pro lineup doesn’t have it this year.

Not wild at all. If it is coming out in 2024 it is already rumored the entire 16 line will have action buttons so it is not meant to compare to the 15 line
The iPhone (not so) Special Edition. I don’t know why they think they need a cheap phone the same size as their other cheap phones (13 & 14). Add in the action button and it makes less sense. Now they’re pulling customers away from those cheap phones to the cheapest one. The SE started as a small phone and should stay way.
if the SE is coming out then they likely will change the line up.
This will be the most disappointing phone ever.
the SE has always been a budget phone. The iPhone that the lower income folks can get to have an iphone without needing to pay 1200 bucks for an iphone. It'll only be disappointing if they price it way too high.
I believe the rumors have been saying 2025 is the likely launch.
I have a feeling it will be a spring launch. Aside from the break between OGSE and Se 2020, I just can't see apple still selling this same design for 5 years.

And the 13 will likely be dropped by next year from the 2024 lineup so it wouldnt make sense to still sell a then almost 3 year old phone with a 10 plus year design that has the same specs as the 13 that they will no longer likely sell after fall 2024.
I wonder what they will do with the lineup after they release this device. How are they going to have 4 6.1” iPhones that all look basically the same? There would be little reason to get a 13 or 14 when the SE exists at a lower price point with a faster chip and USB-C. The only downside is one camera.
The line-up will definitely change.
Unfortunate they can't use the 13 mini size

but i seriously doubt Apple will have 4 6.1 inch devices.....that's an android type of mentality to release literally the same phone with a different name lol.

I wonder when they will change their iPhone naming again... when it gets to iPhone 16, 17, 18... 25

They should just call it iPhone (2024), iPhone Pro (2024), iPhone SE (2024)

At this point the numbers and iterations become more and more irrelevant, and it looks messy. A marketing hot mess. Where is the logic, when you get to iPhone 99... it just sounds increasingly stupid.
I can't see them going to a yearly name setting.

Imagine, using your logic, the confusion a customer would have buying an iPHone 2024 but in 2025 but needing support(a repair) and unsure of what year it is. It's easier to say i have an iPhone 15.

Google/Samsung still do the numeral thing.

I get confused between the SE 2 and Se 3
The SE 4 should come in 2 sizes. Normal SE (size of 13 mini) and the SE Plus (size of the normal iPhone, 6.1 inches). It would let them keep prices low and satisfy the mini iPhone crowd.
LOL i can't see Apple doing that. Nor should they do that.

I will use Samsung and Motorola for Examples. Android is terrible abaout this. They have so many different phones that almost literally do the same thing as the other but a slight variation. It's a fragmented system.

Having 2 SEs where the only difference is a screen size (especially since the mini did not sell well at all) just sounds like a waste of resources and puts apple in the same position they are now with the over fragmented ipad lineup.
 
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If this happens next year it'll be the most exciting Apple device they'll launch, including more exciting then Vision Pro. It'll have some nice specs on it. Be interesting to see how good the camera is.
 
I have the 2020 SE, and am still waiting for the USB-C port to upgrade. As for the battery, there's no telling at this stage what battery will be in the SE4 when it ships. They have to put some battery in it, and probably used the 14 in the prototype because they had lots of them.
 
Of course they'll recycle as much as they can. It'll be a Frankenstein's Monster like half of Timmy's line up of products. He has to go!
 
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The SE didn’t start as a small phone. It started as a phone using an old design which just so happened to be small. If it was meant to be a small phone then they would use the Mini body. Obviously they’re using the 6.1 as it will sell better.
Yes and no. The (4") first-get SE came out after a couple generations of markedly larger iPhones, and subsequent SE generations have had smaller screens than other iPhones available at the time of release. SE has come to mean smaller -- and many would say reasonable -- screen sizes, thus the disappointment at both the cancelation of the mini variants and this news of a larger SE.
 
Won’t those refurbished batteries not have reduced battery life?
I dont think they are ‘refurbished’ batteries per se, but new batteries based on the battery design used in the iphone 14 if this makes sense.
 
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so it would be the same (mostly) size of the iPhone 14, the more important question - will it be the pilot phone for apple's in-house modem chip? maybe the reason for such a larger battery?
The in-house modem is already old news. The latest leaks points towards Apple abandoning the protect.
 
The SE didn’t start as a small phone. It started as a phone using an old design which just so happened to be small. If it was meant to be a small phone then they would use the Mini body. Obviously they’re using the 6.1 as it will sell better.

"Better" at the expense of the 13 and 14, which are priced higher. Apple usually wants to upsell not the other way around. Apple already has plenty of phones available for that size, they don't need another one. The home button and small design are inseparable when talking about how it "started." Plenty of people bought the first gen for its size, others for the price, and others for the home button, or a combination of the 3. Ditching 2/3 of those market demographics in one generation only to cannibalize higher priced phones probably isn't the best idea they've ever had.
 
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If it's released this 2024 spring, its must be all but finalized production-wise by now.
I doubt it'll release that early. Some reports say that this won't release until 2025. That lines up with the fact that it'll have an Action button. Non-pro iPhones will receive the Action button next fall 2024, then this will include the Action button sometime in 2025. There's no way they would release this SE with an Action button before next fall's iPhone 16.
 
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if the SE is coming out then they likely will change the line up.

It's a mid gen refresh. They don't usually drop phones mid-gen. It will likely just replace the current SE unless Apple want to reduce the number of phone models they sell (unlikely because they like to have a phone at basically every $100 increment). The 13 can't be discontinued until the 14 goes down to the 13 price point, which can't happen until the 16 knocks the 15 down to the 14's pricepoint.
 
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The in-house modem is already old news. The latest leaks points towards Apple abandoning the protect.
I'm not buying that rumor, the abandoning one ... SE is not high end, thus does not need the same performance as the Pro models, but as always, time will tell
 
I wonder what they will do with the lineup after they release this device. How are they going to have 4 6.1” iPhones that all look basically the same? There would be little reason to get a 13 or 14 when the SE exists at a lower price point with a faster chip and USB-C. The only downside is one camera.
By the time this comes out sometime in 2025, the 13 and 14 won't be in the lineup anymore. This SE will probably come out at the same time that the 14 is removed. The official lineup that will be sold at Apple stores in the fall of 2025 would be the 17, 16, 15, and then presumably this SE which will probably use the A17 chip found in the 15 Pro.
 
I'm ready for the next SE - and like the idea of USB and no home button.

Please bring it soon, Apple!
get a iphone 14 or iphone 15 then since its reusing their chasis.

The size of the iphone se is going away entirely just so you know.

You can get exactly what you want right now.
 
Once the SE4 is imminent I will trade in my SE2 for the SE3 and use it as long as possible - unless Apple uses the 13 mini.
I like small phones & don't care about bells & whistles.
The camera on my SE2 is plenty good
This is the way! My cracked SE2 is holding its breath.
 
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"Better" at the expense of the 13 and 14, which are priced higher. Apple usually wants to upsell not the other way around. Apple already has plenty of phones available for that size, they don't need another one. The home button and small design are inseparable when talking about how it "started." Plenty of people bought the first gen for its size, others for the price, and others for the home button, or a combination of the 3. Ditching 2/3 of those market demographics in one generation only to cannibalize higher priced phones probably isn't the best idea they've ever had.

The new iPhone SE will probably cut features that make it cheaper than iPhone 13. Apple could technically reuse cameras from iPhone 12 or even iPhone 11, use binned down display or LCD display, out smaller battery etc.

iPhone SE from start was cheap iPhone with bunch of feature removed with most recent chips. I think this strategy no longer holds as iPhone 15 use last generation chip. So iPhone SE could reused A16 chip.

Apple will make the new iPhone SE cheap enough with decent processor and bunch of cut down features.
 
Instant buy for me if it also has iPad style Touch ID

Single camera maybe, most likely would be dual camera from iPhone 11 or iPhone 12 series.

LCD is possibly, but not likely.

iPhone mini body is not happening, we won’t see mini phone more.

iPad style TouchID is definitely not happening.
 
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