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The SE didn’t start as a small phone. It started as a phone using an old design which just so happened to be small. If it was meant to be a small phone then they would use the Mini body. Obviously they’re using the 6.1 as it will sell better.
If the only consideration was bigger size selling better, they'd have been using the 6 Plus case, not the regular 6 for the existing SEs.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the "all-new" iPhone SE is just a regular iPhone 14 with a USB-C port :p
in design and manufacturing world just one change will start a chain reaction. if USB C module is larger that lightning module inside the phone then they may need to re design Motherboard, speaker, battery, display and the chain reaction starts, at the end you end up with re designed phone (at least internal redesign) :)
 
Face ID literally works offline. It doesn't send your face anywhere.

“Siri and Tesla don’t send your voice and videos anywhere” say the people who’s voices and accidental nude garage videos show up in secret company Slack channels. :)
 
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ah, I want mini back. I'm not ready to pay 800Eur now for such an old phone.

Btw, I have 14 for work, and oh man, the battery is amazing. First iPhone to last me 3-4 days if not more.
 
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So identical to the 14? or will 1 of the cameras on the back be removed so that it's easier to distinguish between a SE 4/14

looking forward to see where this sits on pricing compared with the rest of the lineup
Definitely single-camera!

Lowest tier = 1 camera
Mid tier = 2 cameras
Pro = 3 cameras

SE will only go dual cameras when mid tier gets three cameras and Pro gets four.

So this will be an iPhone 14 with a mix of upgrades and downgrades compared to the actual iPhone 14.

Also, definitely no iPhone SE 4 Plus coming, or mini.
 
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Well, it depends on the metric you use to define good/better. For many, that might not be price. It might be a preference for Touch ID. It might be a preference for a smaller, but new, phone. It might be a lack of need for a better camera, screen or whatever.

If the SE is all you need then by definition it is at least as good as a higher-end model, and it is the iPhone you really want, irrespective of your ability to afford said higher-end model.
The SE crowd is so pedantic.

We live under capitalism and certain goods and products are more expensive than others. It’s not an opinion, that’s just what certain in demand commodities are priced.

What subjective value you get from any iPhone, any size, any price, is a completely up to you, as an individual, and not something that can be understood by anyone else but you.

But factually, the majority of parts that make up an SE 2022 are outdated and much lower value per $ than those that go into an iPhone 13.

This is just fact, not something we can argue.

If you, as a consumer, then opt for an iPhone SE 2022 over an iPhone 13, and both were priced $429, you’d be losing money, stealing from yourself, if you’d pick an iPhone SE.

Doesn’t matter if you hate it or it’s too big, or any other subjective opinion for not wanting an iPhone 13. It’s value in our society is far beyond that of an SE 2022.
 
The 13 and 14 are not cheap phones by any stretch.

The 14 sells for $1,000 Canadian.

I was using cheap as a relativistic term. Might have been more appropriate to say cheaper. My point was that they already have two “regular” sized phones priced below the base iPhone. Making the new SE the third such phone doesn’t make much sense to me.

Modeling the SE on the 13 mini design and updating every 3ish years would keep small phone fans satisfied while also not pushing the SE into direct competition with Apple’s other downmarket phones.

Size isn’t going to be a major factor for someone just looking for the cheapest iPhone, so modeling it after the mainstream size isn’t much of a benefit on the consumer side. It is a major factor for people wanting a small phone however.

Personally, I have no reason to replace my 13 mini unless there comes a time where I decide I can’t live without the pro’s cameras or another mini is released.
 
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I was using cheap as a relativistic term. Might have been more appropriate to say cheaper. My point was that they already have two “regular” sized phones priced below the base iPhone. Making the new SE the third such phone doesn’t make much sense to me.

Modeling the SE on the 13 mini design and updating every 3ish years would keep small phone fans satisfied while also not pushing the SE into direct competition with Apple’s other downmarket phones.

Size isn’t going to be a major factor for someone just looking for the cheapest iPhone, so modeling it after the mainstream size isn’t much of a benefit on the consumer side. It is a major factor for people wanting a small phone however.

Personally, I have no reason to replace my 13 mini unless there comes a time where I decide I can’t live without the pro’s cameras or another mini is released.

iPhone SE is phone that sells in volume in Apple’s term and trying to making Android user to switch.

Small iPhone SE does not fit either. Small phone is decisively niche nor it will attract Android user. In order to do this, iPhone SE will need to be cheap enough to attract mid-tier Android users and it has enough feature to win.
 
iPhone SE is phone that sells in volume in Apple’s term and trying to making Android user to switch.

Small iPhone SE does not fit either. Small phone is decisively niche nor it will attract Android user. In order to do this, iPhone SE will need to be cheap enough to attract mid-tier Android users and it has enough feature to win.

It's kind of hard to make this claim when the current SE is small and has a home button. How is that feature set purpose built for mid-tier android switchers?

Apple will welcome Android switchers on any device, but they don't have a phone that was purpose built for that function.
 
It's kind of hard to make this claim when the current SE is small and has a home button. How is that feature set purpose built for mid-tier android switchers?

Apple will welcome Android switchers on any device, but they don't have a phone that was purpose built for that function.

iPhone SE was build for Android switcher in the beginning and iPhone mini was built for small phone people.

Since iPhone mini is no more, due to lackluster sale. It become very evident that small phone is niche.

Current iPhone SE makes zero sense and it shouldn’t even exist. It is more like Apple feel they need put 5G into iPhone SE and get lazy. I highly doubt current gen iPhone SE is selling in large quantities.

iPhone SE formula is not going to work anymore, when most mid-tire Android is moving to OLED, at least 90HZ display, triple camera, 128GB storage… The value proposition is not here anymore.

If there is new iPhone SE that going for large sales volume and cheap devices for budget customer, then it will not be mini size iPhone. Making Mini iPhone SE makes zero sense.
 
iPhone SE is phone that sells in volume in Apple’s term and trying to making Android user to switch.

Small iPhone SE does not fit either. Small phone is decisively niche nor it will attract Android user. In order to do this, iPhone SE will need to be cheap enough to attract mid-tier Android users and it has enough feature to win.
As an android user(Samsung s23 ultra, 1TB), I'm not going to switch because of cost or colour. Features like a micro SD card slot could convince me to switch.
 
As an android user(Samsung s23 ultra, 1TB), I'm not going to switch because of cost or colour. Features like a micro SD card slot could convince me to switch.

Not everyone cares about SD card. I used to care when phones comes with 16GB or 32GB. But most phone now days starts at 128GB.. so I don’t care SD card anymore.

I don’t always buy newest iPhone anyway. I just got 512GB iPhone 13 Pro Max for half cost of iPhone 15 Pro Max. It is sufficient for me.

Of course, I am also carrying Pixel 7 with me.
 
I was using cheap as a relativistic term. Might have been more appropriate to say cheaper. My point was that they already have two “regular” sized phones priced below the base iPhone. Making the new SE the third such phone doesn’t make much sense to me.

Modeling the SE on the 13 mini design and updating every 3ish years would keep small phone fans satisfied while also not pushing the SE into direct competition with Apple’s other downmarket phones.

Size isn’t going to be a major factor for someone just looking for the cheapest iPhone, so modeling it after the mainstream size isn’t much of a benefit on the consumer side. It is a major factor for people wanting a small phone however.

Personally, I have no reason to replace my 13 mini unless there comes a time where I decide I can’t live without the pro’s cameras or another mini is released.
Unfortunately, Apple will never make a small phone again. I also like the Mini, but there aren’t enough of us to make producing one worth it to Apple.
 
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