iPhone SE 4 May Reuse Existing iPhone 14 Battery

[SteveJawbs]

So conflicted.

My 8 works fine. So why buy an SE3.

Hate the idea of FaceID. Anyone who thinks our images are not being collected should Google “Apple Ireland Siri”.

Love holding the 15 in the store. Such a beautiful product.

Hate the idea of having to buy new cables and cases.

My 8 works fine - since 2017.

It’s flawless.

100% battery.

10,000 MP3s imported.

My only question is will Apple still bless the 8 with critical security updates. Which means the only advantage of getting an SE3 is a few more years of iOS 17/18 updates.

I just have so much H8 for FID. Sorry but I cringe knowing my picture is being beamed to Palantir. All the cameras at grocery checkouts already do though so why care at this point. I do.

Guess I’ll wait for SE5.

 

[TruthAboveAllElse]

Huh? Didn't they just make the iPhone SE obsolete and vintage?

No, not the current SE. They still sell the current one.

 

[Aoligei]

So conflicted.

My 8 works fine. So why buy an SE3.

Hate the idea of FaceID. Anyone who thinks our images are not being collected should Google “Apple Ireland Siri”.

Love holding the 15 in the store. Such a beautiful product.

Hate the idea of having to buy new cables and cases.

My 8 works fine - since 2017.

It’s flawless.

100% battery.

10,000 MP3s imported.

My only question is will Apple still bless the 8 with critical security updates. Which means the only advantage of getting an SES3 is a few more years of iOS 17/18 updates.

I just have so much H8 for FID. Sorry but I cringe knowing my picture is being beamed to Palantir. All the cameras at grocery checkouts already do though so why care at this point. I do.

Guess I’ll wait for SES5.

I don’t think Apple is collecting picture of your face. The technology behind it is well documented at this point.

If your iPhone 8 works fine and satisfies all your need, then just use the 8.

Apple already make iPhone 8 and iPhone X obsolete this point when iOS 17 get released. They probably will support iOS 16 for one more year and that’s it for software support. You might get one or two odd ball updates to address some critical issue, but don’t expect more.

When the software update finally stopped for iPhone 8 which will be around September 2024, you can shop around iPhone SE 2022 for cheap. Then you get A15 chips with exactly same design. But don’t buy the 2022 SE for retail pricing, it is rip of right now.

 

[Capeto]

Wild that the SE could include an action button. Feels odd, given the rest of the non-Pro lineup doesn’t have it this year.

My guess is that the entire 16 lineup gets the action button next year, so when the SE4 is released afterwards it won’t be just the Pros and SE with it.

 

[Populus]

The new iPhone SE will probably cut features that make it cheaper than iPhone 13. Apple could technically reuse cameras from iPhone 12 or even iPhone 11, use binned down display or LCD display, out smaller battery etc.

iPhone SE from start was cheap iPhone with bunch of feature removed with most recent chips. I think this strategy no longer holds as iPhone 15 use last generation chip. So iPhone SE could reused A16 chip.

Apple will make the new iPhone SE cheap enough with decent processor and bunch of cut down features.

If they put an LCD display it will be an instant but for me.

However, being planned for 2025, I think it’s likely to be powered by the A18 SoC, as it will be manufactured using the N3E process, and with much better yields they will have plenty of chips by then.

Using an A16 in 2025 wouldn’t make sense to me, and the A17 Pro is going to be a short lived chip.

 

[platinumaqua]

Single camera maybe, most likely would be dual camera from iPhone 11 or iPhone 12 series.

LCD is possibly, but not likely.

iPhone mini body is not happening, we won’t see mini phone more.

iPad style TouchID is definitely not happening.

I’m not holding my breath either. Apple hasn’t produced any instant buy (to me) items for a long time

 

[macfacts]

and we think you’re gonna love it…

"Best iPhone we ever made."

 

[Wanted797]

I assume this SE is going to make as much sense as the iPad line up does.

 

[scorpio vega]

It should be called the iPhone RE. Reused Edition.

This version is obviously not meant for you.

Huh? Didn't they just make the iPhone SE obsolete and vintage?

they made the 2016 Original SE obsolete and vintage(the one based off the 5S with the 6s Plus specs). The 2020 and 2022 version based off the 8 design with 11/13 specs) are not obsolete.

 

[svish]

Not surprising. Looking forward to the launch of a new SE model

 

[Vespi]

Im still on my iphone 11, I just wish they kept one model with LCD screen, I hate oled with its pwm

 

[dampfnudel]

so it would be the same (mostly) size of the iPhone 14, the more important question - will it be the pilot phone for apple's in-house modem chip? maybe the reason for such a larger battery?

Didn’t Apple can their modem project?

 

[staypuftforums]

The iPhone (not so) Special Edition. I don’t know why they think they need a cheap phone the same size as their other cheap phones (13 & 14). Add in the action button and it makes less sense. Now they’re pulling customers away from those cheap phones to the cheapest one. The SE started as a small phone and should stay that way.

edit: OP ate a word

The 13 and 14 are not cheap phones by any stretch.

The 14 sells for $1,000 Canadian.

 

[dampfnudel]

Wild that the SE could include an action button. Feels odd, given the rest of the non-Pro lineup doesn’t have it this year.

It’s not really odd given that by the time the next generation SE launches, the iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will have launched months earlier with the action button as a new feature.

 

[flottenheimer]

If the price is right, this could be a huge hit.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Wild that the SE could include an action button. Feels odd, given the rest of the non-Pro lineup doesn’t have it this year.

This action button on SE rumor is nonsense as SEs have never been anything more than a carbon copy of an older iPhone with a limited but meaningful spec bump on key components, mainly a new SoC.

Giving an iPhone 14 the action button would cost additional r&d and tamper with the value proposition that iPhones 15 and 15 Plus offer.

For the 2023-2024 iPhone lineup, the Action Button is a “Pro” feature, and no “Pro” feature has ever skipped the mid-tier iPhone but been featured on the low-end SE.

However, I fully expect the Action Button to land on the mid tier iPhones 16 or 17.

The value proposition of SEs has always been quite simple and will stay this way -an older iPhone with a mix of current and older internals

If Apple changes this formula then the SE concept falls apart and starting price will be way more than the $399-$429 we’ve come to expect.

Not happening.

Mid tier gets Action Button first or it won’t happen on SE.

 

[DarthDon]

Of course they'll recycle as much as they can. It'll be a Frankenstein's Monster like half of Timmy's line up of products. He has to go!

I'm sure Apple still has enough circuit boards with 8 GB of memory lying around...

 

[Populus]

Mid tier gets Action Button first or it won’t happen on SE.

Actually, mid tier (I.e. the regular iPhone 16) will also get the action button first. The SE 4 is not planned until 2025, as far as I know.

I think it’s strange as well, to implement such a differentiating feature on a low end model, but if you think about it, they already have the hole in the aluminum chasis for the mute switch. They only have to replace the switch with a button, I don’t think it will skyrocket the costs…

That being said, I prefer the mute switch.

 

[taliz]

iPhone SE 4 will be the iPhone 14 with a better CPU.

No more posts about this phone are necessary.

If I have an iPhone SE and wanted an iPhone 14, I’d just buy one now.

People buy iPhone SE because it’s small, lightweight, and the LCD screen does not use PWM and does not flicker.

People buy the SE cause it costs half of a 14.

 

[OrenLindsey]

I just have so much H8 for FID. Sorry but I cringe knowing my picture is being beamed to Palantir. All the cameras at grocery checkouts already do though so why care at this point. I do.

Face ID literally works offline. It doesn't send your face anywhere.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

People buy the SE cause it costs half of a 14.

Agree.

Every consumer looks to get as much value/$ as possible when buying products and services.

No generation of SE would have seen any sales of the 4.7” or 4” models if Apple had offered 5.5 SE Plus models alongside them for $100 more.

Conversely, you could have spec’ed the SEs to match their respective mid-tier counterparts and priced them 1/1 the same, and nobody would have bought the SEs because of their smaller displays and batteries.

Like, if the $699 iPhone 11 had launched at $399 while the 2020 also sold for $399, they wouldn’t be able to sell a single SE.

This notion that SEs are bought more out of choice than necessity or pragmatism needs to stop.

SE is Apple’s budget option for those who can’t or don’t want to spend more.

It’s not, however, a great option in terms of quality and value/dollat compared to the mid-tier or Pro iPhones, and not an iPhone the average consumer would opt for if better iPhones were available at the same $399/$429.

You choosing to spend on an older car is probably a good decision for your wallet and you still get decent value and features.

But let’s not pretend you wouldn’t get the latest, brand new 2023/2024 model if you got it at the same price as the older one that you’re getting.

An iPhone SE might be all most of us need. But saying it’s as good as or better than the iPhone you really want is a white lie if I ever heard one. Please stop.

 

[webkit]

People buy iPhone SE because it’s small, lightweight, and the LCD screen does not use PWM and does not flicker.

Some do but I think far more, including corporations for their employees, buy them because of the low price relative to other iPhones.

Sales have shown larger screens are what sell best these days and that's why smartphone makers (not just Apple) mostly offer larger screen phones. According to Counterpoint Research, the top ten best selling smartphones globally in 2022 all had screens 6.1" to 6.6" in size with the exception of the iPhone SE 2022 at #9.

 

[jz0309]

Didn’t Apple can their modem project?

there were/are rumors about that, I don't buy those ... SE iPhone does not need the modem perfromsce of the Pro iPhones so it would be s good candidate for inhouse modem

 

[DigitalAR]

I'm guessing it'll start at $399.

Still 64GB.

 

[jouster]

[snip]

An iPhone SE might be all most of us need. But saying it’s as good as or better than the iPhone you really want is a white lie if I ever heard one. Please stop.

Well, it depends on the metric you use to define good/better. For many, that might not be price. It might be a preference for Touch ID. It might be a preference for a smaller, but new, phone. It might be a lack of need for a better camera, screen or whatever.

If the SE is all you need then by definition it is at least as good as a higher-end model, and it is the iPhone you really want, irrespective of your ability to afford said higher-end model.