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aohus

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1. I am using Google Keyboard. I am using Nexus 6P and bunch of other phablet. Never had issue with gesture typing using one hand.

2. Not really gonna aruge with rest of stuff. Nexus 6P battery life isn't the best. Remember, it uses higher end SOC and QHD display. My Nexus 6P easily last me for a day with lots of WeChat, WhatsApp, Youtube usage during the day (1 hours lunch time streamming Youtube and half hour break time). Battery still around 15%.

3. Regarding to live photo and 3D Touch, i rarely use it with my iPhone 6S. 3D touch is all guessing game, some app support some app does not. And really, 3D Touch does not save time anyway. Live Photo is just gemmick. I don't see the value behind it.

4. Regarding to 720P or higher. When you watch high definition video or high resolution picture, sub 720P just does not show all the details. QHD screen provide much more details than sub 720P SE screen. Take a look at MKBHD's video regarding to QHD screen.

5. I do agree that iOS provide great user experiences in terms of general performance. Though, Android now days runs just as good if not better. I am typing this with $150 Meizu M2 Note, it runs really fast. In terms of battery life, iPhone certainly provides good battery life, it is certainly not the best. Espepecially, when i can top up 7 hours of use with 10 minutes of charge with Nexus 6P.

6. One thing i wanted to point out is that iOS proivdes almost no one hand use optimization. Wherr on Android there are few ways to use large phone one hand. For example, Meizu's flyme UI allows me to swip from bottom to invoke mutlitasking card view, the smart touch function allows me to swipe down from any where get notifcation sheet. The flooding circle allows me swip up get back to home screen, swipe left and right to swich between apps. Tap once go back tap twich go forward. Lots of Android phones allows you to shrink entire UI to 4 inch size, so you can use it one hand. The UI itself stay at that size, does not go back until you set it back to full screen. The only thing iPhone SE provide is small size. It is maybe easier to pocket, but not so much. With lots of 5 inch Android phone sized similar with iPhone 6S, those phablet can easily be pocketed. One hand usage can be done by software optimization.

My take is phablet provide much better experiences than small form factors. Short comings can be fixed by using software optimization. I personally would not go back, i even think my iPhone 6S is too small.


I wouldn't consider Qualcomm's snapdragon series SoC as 'higher end' than Apple's internally designed SoC's. In most benchmarks it outperforms Qualcomm's competition. QHD is 960x540, the iPhone SE pushes pixels at 1136x640. I'm not sure where you're going with this. In the end PPI is more important than effective resolution, as the size of the display is the differentiator. A 720p feed on a 120 inch display for instance, will look like complete crap.
 

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Yeah ... no idea where he got that number from. My Nexus 6P is QHD with 1440 x 2560 resolution at 515 ppi. To sum it up, it takes a steamy dump all over the iPhone SE screen, but the SE screen is still plenty sharp, especially for its screen size. There's really nothing to praise about the SE screen in comparison to modern phones. It's the same screen from 3 years ago. I'm looking forward to getting my SE in a week, but the screen was not the selling point.
 

dcpmark

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Yeah ... no idea where he got that number from. My Nexus 6P is QHD with 1440 x 2560 resolution at 515 ppi. To sum it up, it takes a steamy dump all over the iPhone SE screen, but the SE screen is still plenty sharp, especially for its screen size. There's really nothing to praise about the SE screen in comparison to modern phones. It's the same screen from 3 years ago. I'm looking forward to getting my SE in a week, but the screen was not the selling point.

See, this is what I don't get. I don't know the science or math behind it at all, but comparing the pixel density on a 4" screen to the pixel density of a 5.7" screen doesn't logically seem to make sense. In order for people with normal vision not to see pixels on a much larger screen at the same viewing distance, the ppi must be significantly higher than the larger screen than on the smaller screen to provide the exact same acuity, no??
 

Savor

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Opposite thinking here.
Tablet-phones are a compromise to me, awkward 2014-15 toys ;-)
Smart-phones are sized to be used one-handed. And text on iPhone 4,5,SE is absolutely readable at 326ppi.

If I have two hands available and want to read, browse happy I gotta grab my faithful MacBook Air that is not a compromise by itself like iPhone 6s+ and is portable too and priced the same.
If I need to read books, tons of pages then I grab my Kindle that is so much more enjoyable for extendend reading....or just a book if weight and portability is not an issue. Not all the old tools are bad just because they are old tech ;-)
I was thinking the same like you back in 2010 through just a few days ago.

Then I got into Camfrog which is like TuneIn Radio, Snapchat, and Stickam rolled into one. Now six inches is my bare minimum to enjoy that half screen I see from sexy girls flashing their stuff. Looking into Huawei Ascend Mate 8 after laughing at the "4 screen from my cousin's iPhone 5 of Camfrog. Me likes to view them BIGGER now. Going back to "4 to type isn't all that convenient for me anymore either.
 

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See, this is what I don't get. I don't know the science or math behind it at all, but comparing the pixel density on a 4" screen to the pixel density of a 5.7" screen doesn't logically seem to make sense. In order for people with normal vision not to see pixels on a much larger screen at the same viewing distance, the ppi must be significantly higher than the larger screen than on the smaller screen to provide the exact same acuity, no??

The resolution is measures by how many pixel across the screen horizontally and vertically.

The math is complicated, so I won't talk about it. Know this, if I have two display with same resolution, that is two display have same pixels horizontally and vertically. Then if one of the screen is bigger than other, the bigger screen will have lower PPI.

To get same amount PPI, the bigger screen need have more pixels, this is why iPhone 6S has higher resolution than SE.

For eyes to see the pixels, it is depends on how far you read from. I have 55 inch TV and I could not see pixel from normal view distance (from my couch). As for iPhone, if I hold my iPhone 6S from normal view distance, I won't see pixel. But I can see pixel when I hold it close to my eye (I.e. when I lay down, that is when I usually hold iPhone closer than normal distance).

However, when I look at the screen on my Nexus 5X with 1080P screen on 5.2 inch screen with 4xx PPI, I could not see pixels when I hold closely.

Also, when I look at 13MP photo on 720P screen, some of the detail will be lost. Becuase 720P screen simply has no enough pixels to display all the pixels. This is why higher resolution screen is better than lower one.
 

dcpmark

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For eyes to see the pixels, it is depends on how far you read from. I have 55 inch TV and I could not see pixel from normal view distance (from my couch). As for iPhone, if I hold my iPhone 6S from normal view distance, I won't see pixel. But I can see pixel when I hold it close to my eye (I.e. when I lay down, that is when I usually hold iPhone closer than normal distance).

However, when I look at the screen on my Nexus 5X with 1080P screen on 5.2 inch screen with 4xx PPI, I could not see pixels when I hold closely.

Also, when I look at 13MP photo on 720P screen, some of the detail will be lost. Becuase 720P screen simply has no enough pixels to display all the pixels. This is why higher resolution screen is better than lower one.

I haven't seen a pixel since my Treo 700p days. From the Droid Incredible to the HTC Thunderbolt to the iPhone 5,6, and now SE, every one of those displays looked great to me, regardless of the actual resolution or PPI. Maybe I'm not very discerning, or maybe it's how some of us use our cell phones......I have never tried to watch a movie or TV show, read a book, tried to do work, or proofed photos on a cell phone. When I look at photos on my cell phone, I'm looking at subject of the photo, not how much detail is lost or gained between the various cell phones I've used.

Nor have I ever laid down with a cell phone.....when I get home from work, the cell phone goes into a charging dock and I say goodbye to it until I leave the house again. Home is where the iPads and Minis take over, and I've yet to see a pixel in any one of those, either.

Then again, I've never even considered looking for them....:)
 

Savor

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SE is the best compact phone ever made. Perhaps the most perfect smartphone ever made with pre-2013 expectations before Android started making 4.7-5 the norm and FHD.

Now that I finished sipping the Kool-Aid during this honeymoon affair, a touchscreen smartphone isn't supposed to be used for ONE-HANDED usage for most people. I am typing with two thumbs as we speak. Whether 3.5-6 inches, I generally use TWO HANDS. Try to browse, zoom, post a comment here, or copy and paste using one hand/thumb.

Most people loving the SE is for people finding "4 refreshing again. They haven't truly decided what is the most comfortable screen size for them to use for the rest of their life because we are all fickle. Back at bigger display, it would seem refreshing to them too.

The "4 is too cramped for me and the viewing experience is inferior. We have to keep zooming and scrolling more just to have portability when we are holding our small touchscreen smartphone with two hands most of the time anyway?
 
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aces99

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Ok dude. I was just making a statement

Sorry I wasn't trying to say anything against what you wrote, sorry if it sounded like I was. I was just trying to say that he should of clarified what he was referring to when he said QHD. When he/she said QHD is only 960 x 540 people naturally think he/she is referring to Quad HD and Quad HD is is not 960 x 540. That's why he/she should of clarified if he was referring to quarter HD. That's all I was trying to say. Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't trying to say anything about what you said.
 

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SE is the best compact phone ever made. Perhaps the most perfect smartphone ever made with pre-2013 expectations before Android started making 4.7-5 the norm and FHD.

Now that I finished sipping the Kool-Aid during this honeymoon affair, a touchscreen smartphone isn't supposed to be used for ONE-HANDED usage for most people. I am typing with two thumbs as we speak. Whether 3.5-6 inches, I generally use TWO HANDS. Try to browse, zoom, post a comment here, or copy and paste using one hand/thumb.

Most people loving the SE is for people finding "4 refreshing again. They haven't truly decided what is the most comfortable screen size for them to use for the rest of their life because we are all fickle. Back at bigger display, it would seem refreshing to them too.

The "4 is too cramped for me and the viewing experience is inferior. We have to keep zooming and scrolling more just to have portability when we are holding our small touchscreen smartphone with two hands most of the time anyway?

While I agree that some aspects of use will always take two hands, as someone that went from a 6S+ to an SE today I disagree with the overall sentiment. On my 6S+ I always went wth two handed usage. Regardless of what the use was, two hands on the phone. But after around six hours on the SE, I'm seeing my usage automatically move to one handed usage. Whether it's quick replies to texts or a quick search, I find the device far more capable to use one handed, and my usage naturally moves to that.

I feel like phone size is very subjective. Some need the big screen and don't mind the hassle of carrying it. Some are comfortable at 4". And some want the middle ground. I think it's great that Apple has high power options in all sizes and makes it possible to pick what you prefer at this point. It's a nice change for them, and I'm happy to see it.
 

JayIsAwesome

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Sorry I wasn't trying to say anything against what you wrote, sorry if it sounded like I was. I was just trying to say that he should of clarified what he was referring to when he said QHD. When he/she said QHD is only 960 x 540 people naturally think he/she is referring to Quad HD and Quad HD is is not 960 x 540. That's why he/she should of clarified if he was referring to quarter HD. That's all I was trying to say. Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't trying to say anything about what you said.
It's cool bro. It's all good and I definitely see your point
 

aohus

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Sorry I wasn't trying to say anything against what you wrote, sorry if it sounded like I was. I was just trying to say that he should of clarified what he was referring to when he said QHD. When he/she said QHD is only 960 x 540 people naturally think he/she is referring to Quad HD and Quad HD is is not 960 x 540. That's why he/she should of clarified if he was referring to quarter HD. That's all I was trying to say. Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't trying to say anything about what you said.

sorry man didnt realize he was referring to quad hd. i do prefer ppi as the benchmark vs resolution. using the 6p i didnt really notice a difference in terms of sharpness. i hope i7 is an oled panel but i highly doubt that per rumors. 1080p oled would be amazing + better power efficiency
 

aces99

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sorry man didnt realize he was referring to quad hd. i do prefer ppi as the benchmark vs resolution. using the 6p i didnt really notice a difference in terms of sharpness. i hope i7 is an oled panel but i highly doubt that per rumors. 1080p oled would be amazing + better power efficiency

Ya that would be nice if the iPhone 7 got the oled panel. Would be better display and better battery life. But ya I think it is unlikely that will happen. Let's hope they surprise us. Finger crossed t
 

lordofthereef

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Ya that would be nice if the iPhone 7 got the oled panel. Would be better display and better battery life. But ya I think it is unlikely that will happen. Let's hope they surprise us. Finger crossed t
All rumors point toward the 7s possibly having this. I'd be excited if we got new display tech sooner but I'm not.hokding my breath. Rumors have Ben.spot on wince the iPhone 4 now haja
 

johngordon

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I can see them dropping the numeric by 2017 though.

Obviously just rumours, but the current early rumours suggest that the 2016 iPhone may not be that different to the 6/6S.

And that OLED may make an appearance in 2017, a year earlier than originally planned.

So it would be quite unusual to see a significant design change from 7 in 2016 to 7S in 2017.

They may go down the iPhone / iPhone Pro route, although I'm not sure how well that will work, as the phone is so predominantly a consumer device that pretty much everyone has, and focusing on the camera as the main pro differentiator might seem a bit odd/ (Unless the camera really ends up being so good that pro photographers could get by with it instead of a high end DSLR, which seems unlikely.)

But I think the next 18 months might be a bit more interesting than the last few years of cycles.
 

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I'm totally sold on the SE. I don't normally wear anything to carry a 6+ -- no "man purse" (or "European shoulder bag", if you remember the Orbitz commercial) -- and the 6 always seemed a touch too big to use one-handed. I kept hanging onto my 5S hoping Apple wouldn't abandon the smaller size.

Ka-Ching!
 

pcoventry76

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I agree. I just put it on my jean pocket and go. I sometimes forget that I have it - even sitting down is a pleasure as no phone to get in the way.

As for the sensor. I'm now able to use ApplePay so I leave my wallet at home. The sensor is so fast it's often faster than I am.

I am loving this SE so glad I sold my 6S - I don't use the features that the 6S had that the SE does not. And before the 6S I had a nasty cheap Android phone which only did 3gp videos. I can now film my kids memories in 4K which is worth it for any parent!.
 

aces99

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All rumors point toward the 7s possibly having this. I'd be excited if we got new display tech sooner but I'm not.hokding my breath. Rumors have Ben.spot on wince the iPhone 4 now haja

The tech websites were close but not really spot on. All the rumours said the SE was going to like a smaller iPhone 6 with the curved edges, which clearly was not the case. They also said the FaceTime camera on the front of the phone is expected to have a 5MP resolution, which also turned out to be not the case. This is just one website that made those claims. Pretty much every other websites I have seem said the same thing. There were also other claims and predictions made since the 4 that turned out to be wrong. I hope the 7 gets a screen upgrade as well but not holding my breath either. Fingers crossed.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/03/iphone-se-rumors.html
 
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lordofthereef

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The tech websites were close but not really spot on. All the rumours said the SE was going to like a smaller iPhone 6 with the curved edges, which clearly was not the case. They also said the FaceTime camera on the front of the phone is expected to have a 5MP resolution, which also turned out to be not the case. This is just one website that made those claims. Pretty much every other websites I have seem said the same thing. There were also other claims and predictions made since the 4 that turned out to be wrong. I hope the 7 gets a screen upgrade as well but not holding my breath either. Fingers crossed.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/03/iphone-se-rumors.html
You're not wrong be as far as featured go I don't know that we've been surprised for half a decade now.
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rumor is that the 7s will have oled
Yeah. Read that too. I'm honestly very happy with the 6s plus. Will take a lot to upgrade this year. Not against upgrading but I'll have to be "wowed"
 
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