Well, I can't judge your comparison, but I do want to mention that palm's new treo now is using non-Volatile memories. zillions of resets, OS crash, app crashing, draining battery to zero, etc, will not cause data loss.
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Well, I can't judge your comparison, but I do want to mention that palm's new treo now is using non-Volatile memories. zillions of resets, OS crash, app crashing, draining battery to zero, etc, will not cause data loss.
That's not the issue.
The issue I commented on was that you likened safari crashing to a Treo locking up.
If there are people who have to reset their iPhones, I don't deny it, but that's not the point of my response.
Nice try on the bait and switch though~
Hey, those crashes/restarts sound pretty sucky. But the iPhone is just a phone at this point, that's what people want to tell me, so it shouldn't be crashing. My Samsung doesn't crash at all. That would be apples to Apples.
I have owned a Treo or two for several years. I don't have an iPhone but played with one for several hours due to a very generous friend.
My assessment: The iPhone was much better. Third party blah, blah blah... I have tried numerous third party apps that were free or paid for. Some up to $30 a pop. They all sucked. They either consistently crashed my phone or did not live up to their billing. Seriously, 90% of all third party software just suck. But heres the rub: even without third party software, my phone crashed 1-2 times a week. The UI is very dated. And web browsing was so painful I think I used the feature maybe twice in the two years i had it. However, threaded sms is very nice. iPhone's implemention is nice as well.
I will say I played with one iPhone at an Apple store that seemed to be having serious problems. Safari crashed A LOT. The iPod crashed several times and the shifting views between landscape and portrait was very slow. Maps crashed.... even the settings screen crashed. I pointed it out to an employee then left. I hope they pulled it. My friend's on the other hand was much more stable but Safari did crash more often than I thought reasonable. I also did not not like the steps you have to go through to place a call. With my Treo, I just started dialing. The iPhone had too many steps to get to the dialer or to the contact. His Steveness stated that the killer app on the iPhone is the phone but its kind of buried for a feature that is THE FEATURE. (Just a preference thing for myself). The only other thing I like on the Treo is that i could hold down a number button to automatically dial a person... something that all cell phones can do, except the iPhone.
My assessment: The iPhone was much better. Third party blah, blah blah... I have tried numerous third party apps that were free or paid for. Some up to $30 a pop. They all sucked. They either consistently crashed my phone or did not live up to their billing. Seriously, 90% of all third party software just suck. But heres the rub: even without third party software, my phone crashed 1-2 times a week. The UI is very dated. And web browsing was so painful I think I used the feature maybe twice in the two years i had it. However, threaded sms is very nice. iPhone's implemention is nice as well.
I will say I played with one iPhone at an Apple store that seemed to be having serious problems. Safari crashed A LOT. The iPod crashed several times and the shifting views between landscape and portrait was very slow. Maps crashed.... even the settings screen crashed. I pointed it out to an employee then left. I hope they pulled it. My friend's on the other hand was much more stable but Safari did crash more often than I thought reasonable. I also did not not like the steps you have to go through to place a call. With my Treo, I just started dialing. The iPhone had too many steps to get to the dialer or to the contact. His Steveness stated that the killer app on the iPhone is the phone but its kind of buried for a feature that is THE FEATURE. (Just a preference thing for myself). The only other thing I like on the Treo is that i could hold down a number button to automatically dial a person... something that all cell phones can do, except the iPhone.
Did I strike a nerve???
So I guess Apple is out of phase with the "real world". Who's world is that? Yours?
I think there are lots of people like me willing to concede all development to Apple in exchange for an experience that yields stability and ease of use. I don't know what pile of sand you have your head buried in but using some lousy rhetoric about me being "out of phase with the real world" is about the most childish thing imaginable. Do you have any idea what has happened to Apple's share value in the last few years? People don't want to "understand" these computing devices, they want to enjoy them. They want to enhance their lives with them. Some people enjoy fixing cars, but most enjoy driving them. Most people could care less who wrote the code, so long as it works. Apple is the gatekeeper and I think it should stay that way.
iTunes works great. Has for me for 4 years now. Safari is great. Fastest Mac browser by far. It needs some work, but I love it.
No I guess I struck a nerve.
What does share price have to do with anything. So what did it mean when Apple shares were in the toilet? So much for a "Legacy".
Childish? You are the one that wants Apple to be your Mommy. Steve has some great ideas, I never denied that. iTunes is great, I use it. Daily. But it crashes all the time. Daily. So I download the new version and hope it improves, what can I do. The iPod makes it worth the pain. It's one of the greatest things Apple has ever done.
Safari is terrible, not even in the same league as Firefox, an open-source product. If you want to suffer through it for the sake of supporting Apple, whatever Dude, enjoy. It's a Corporation brother, I see no need to revere it like its the freakin' Shroud of Turin. They give me a great product, I'll buy it. But it has to be worth it. The Customer is King.
What does share price have to do with anything. So what did it mean when Apple shares were in the toilet? So much for a "Legacy".
Childish? You are the one that wants Apple to be your Mommy. Steve has some great ideas, I never denied that. iTunes is great, I use it. Daily. But it crashes all the time. Daily. So I download the new version and hope it improves, what can I do. The iPod makes it worth the pain. It's one of the greatest things Apple has ever done.
Safari is terrible, not even in the same league as Firefox, an open-source product. If you want to suffer through it for the sake of supporting Apple, whatever Dude, enjoy. It's a Corporation brother, I see no need to revere it like its the freakin' Shroud of Turin. They give me a great product, I'll buy it. But it has to be worth it. The Customer is King.
iTunes and safari runs fine here. And I run them on 3 different kind of macs. You're probably one of the many few who experience those problems. Safari is a better browser to me than firefox. Its simple, elegant and does what its suppose to. That's of the thing apple exceeds on, is simplicity and ease of use. Apple is the only company I know who can design and implement things that work seamlessly well together. Other companies should learn from apple. I'm a gadget collector also coming from howardforums and out of the many phones and devices that ive used in the past, nothing comes remotely close to what apple does. I hate to sound like a fanboy, but I know a good product when I see it and use it. iPhone is an amazing device for apple's very first time at entering the mobile phone industry. Other mobile phone companies have been doing it for years now and thy still can't come up with a device thts easy and a joy to use. I give apple props for that. For there very first try at a mobile phone, that's really amazing to me.
If your iTunes is crashing constantly, it ain't iTunes. Should be its own thread, but when I first switched, I thought Safari was bulky and dated, I was a die hard Firefox user. I virtually never use Firefox now, I don't even conciously think about it, Safari and Firefox sit right next to each other in the dock and I select Safari every time.
are we still discussing iphone here? firefox doesn't run on iphone or treo, right?
well, just list some cons if you can. "Fanboy" is a term reserved for people who practices the reasoning of "anything from apple is perfect, everything from others are craps."
Keep it coming BB....
We're not going to agree on this and that's ok. I think your view of corporations and Apple specifically is absurd. You think I'm an Apple worshiper. I'm cool with that. I like them a lot. I think Jobs is the best CEO ever of an IT company. All that time you talk about their stock value being "in the toilet", they had $6 billion is cash and no debt.
I don't think you're going to get to much support on Safari being terrible.
I have no idea why your iTunes crashes all the time. Are you on a PC?? Come on, fess up.
I've owned, managed, networked and developed on hundreds of Macs in my professional career. These systems produced 10's of millions of dollars of revenue annually. Your silly insinuations about Apples instability is totally unfounded and completely inconsistent with my 20 year personal experience with their products. I'll tell you what made a Mac unstable....3rd party extensions. Ask anyone who used Macs 80's, 90's etc.....
And finally, anyone that wants and expects a corporation to build a stable, well designed product by themselves....and support it by themselves is in need of a mommy? I've got better things to do than screw with stuff that should work, like use it maybe. Guys like you want to sit in your basement all day loading crap on devices and then trying to convince the rest of us that the reason your crap doesn't work right is because of Apple.
I'm sure there is a future in writing crap-apps for the Palm. Go for it and stop wasting your time on Big Brother. Apple ain't for you man.
I've owned and used daily a Palm product since the first Pilot came out in 1996. I mastered Graffiti on my Pilot 3000, graduated to a Palm V, briefly used a Sony Cleo (running Palm OS) and then bought a Treo 650, and then finally a 680 not that long ago. I am not a naturally organized person, but the Palm/Treo has helped me function professionally and achieve a lot in my life. I know this sounds sappy, but the Palm OS and the devices that run it have been a central part of my daily life for the last 11 years.
A few years ago I added a second device - an iPod. I loved that it had the same "don't read the manual it just works" simplicity as my Palm, yet it had depth and power. The only downside? My Treo had let me go from two devices (Palm V and cell phone) to only one. Now I was carrying two again - an iPod and a Treo. A pain - but worth it.
Then I bought an iPhone. The user interface blows my Treo away. I'm back to one device. I can read my email without using my glasses. If the step from my B&W Palm V to a color Treo was a big step forward, the step from my Treo to the iPhone is a step to a new universe.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but my days with Palm OS are over. Wow.
I even put my clock radio away. Who needs it with my docked iPhone waking me up each morning? I tried that with my Treo and had to put the clock back the first time my Treo froze up overnight and I was late for work...
A few years ago I added a second device - an iPod. I loved that it had the same "don't read the manual it just works" simplicity as my Palm, yet it had depth and power. The only downside? My Treo had let me go from two devices (Palm V and cell phone) to only one. Now I was carrying two again - an iPod and a Treo. A pain - but worth it.
Then I bought an iPhone. The user interface blows my Treo away. I'm back to one device. I can read my email without using my glasses. If the step from my B&W Palm V to a color Treo was a big step forward, the step from my Treo to the iPhone is a step to a new universe.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but my days with Palm OS are over. Wow.
I even put my clock radio away. Who needs it with my docked iPhone waking me up each morning? I tried that with my Treo and had to put the clock back the first time my Treo froze up overnight and I was late for work...
I honestly wish my Palm had done for me what it did for you. It cost me lots of money. It worked some of the time. The first few months were all good and then it went to hell. Verizon replaced it twice. Maybe it was just the 700p model. I don't know, but I couldn't wait to throw it in the nearest river. The most annoying thing it did was this; it would ring from an incoming call, I'd answer it and NOTHING. The caller would ultimately call back and the 2nd time the party would be on the other end. I tried everything. Maybe it was Verizon...I don't know but they could never resolve it. People with other Verizon phones in my same area did not have this problem. It was specific to the Treo. It even happened on the replacement units. The 2nd most annoying thing was "lag". It would intermittently hang up. Sometimes for a second or two and other times for up to 30 seconds. It would suddenly free up, but long after I needed it to. Finally, total system lock-up. It would just lock up and I'd have to pull the battery to get it back.
I actually thought the interface was pretty good for it's time. In retrospect, it looks like a cave drawing, but initially I was pretty impressed. Within a few months, the technical issues with the phone overshadowed any positive impressions I'd had initially.
So far, so good with iPhone. I see no sign of impending doom. I can guarantee you no 3rd party stuff is going on mine.
Here is a look from the other side of the fence, Owning both a treo 755p, and a 8 gig iphone. I am a member of both forums
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=146810
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=146810
From everything I had read the 700p was a super crappy unit. I remember seeing long rants on mytreo.net about how none of the carriers were releasing FW updates to fix the myriad problems the thing had.
It will be interesting to see the impact of the iPhone on the Treo (and all other cell phones).
Will they rear back and send a high hard one at the iPhone?
I'm hoping they keep pushing eachother to make ever better products, but we'll have to wait and see.
Will they rear back and send a high hard one at the iPhone?
I'm hoping they keep pushing eachother to make ever better products, but we'll have to wait and see.
Honestly, I don't forsee any reaction from Palm and RIM until Apple starts selling to businesses (enterprise level). Then I could see some change happening real quick. But for other medai phones? Oh man is there going to be some sort of change there. Candy bar phones may come back in style.
There are already enterprise rumblings in the ether. Apparently what people seem to think is that people will buy the iPhone on their own and then want to use it for work.
There is already enterprise movement in iPhone's direction even if there is none the other way round.
And this is 2 weeks after launch. I can see more coming down as things mature.
That's the rub. Here's the crazy thing. Most of what people use their "apps" for, iPhone has gaggles of web apps for, even within two weeks of launch. At a certain point I think its extremely provocative to realize that from cookbooks, to scriptures, to fitness apps, to more... Safari's web apps are really going to put things into perspective, especially as most will all be FREE. For instance, I'm still working on my own launcher, but Mojits and AppMarks are pretty nice for finding things on the iPhone, and the apps are just getting better and better. Apps like BeeJive completely take it to another level, and I think it will begin making most Treo 3rd party software users think differently over time. The other night, I used the Web VNC client to visually control my Windows computer, and I was damn impressed. If I could set it to remember my login, and not mirror the screen, but just send discrete commands or launch scripts... I'd be a happy camper.
There's a whole collection of things I'll simply never care that much to do with my iPhone that things like the Treo do with some software (like using it as a modem or something). Everything else just seems a matter of time or is already here. I imagine companies like Intuit (Quicken,Turbo Tax) are already readying secure iPhone-based services, if they're smart... to rival the "install based" services they've begun creating for WM and Blackberries. Why wouldn't they? Either web 2.0 has legs or it doesn't.
This comment made me laugh. Regarding the crashing, everyone I know that has a Treo complains of it CRASHING all the time. You say you've never seen a co-workers Treo crash. The same person I work with, that told me their Treo crashes a LOT... I see him and his Treo everyday, I never see it crashed. Draw your own conclusions. Maybe he's just a liar?
(Or, I clearly don't sit over his shoulder all day...) He also sounded disturbed when I told him the cost of my plan, and how I got 200 SMS. If I'd shown him BeeJive, he'd be pissed.The thing that strikes me as an uphill battle with the iPhone, are the people that don't quite realize how its vastly changing the game. They keep thinking they need a "3rd party app" to download and install, but the truth is... they totally don't. They just need to find the right iPhone games or applications for their taste, and/or wait/complain for them to be written until they are.
~ CB
For me - a Treo user, the Treo meets my needs, the iPhone doesn't.
I need medical tracking software for my kids issues. That, handyshopper and calendar are what i do on my Treo. Daily.
I played with the iPhone last week at the Apple store - i didn't leave "wanting one badly". My Treo meets my needs very well, my phone is stable, it works.
Would i consider an iPod PDA? If it met my needs i would. I don't NEED data - it's nice, but not a must..... I just need my apps.
Anyway, devices need to meet the needs of the users...... doesn't matter which one - just pick the one that mets YOUR needs, and let others do the same....
I need medical tracking software for my kids issues. That, handyshopper and calendar are what i do on my Treo. Daily.
I played with the iPhone last week at the Apple store - i didn't leave "wanting one badly". My Treo meets my needs very well, my phone is stable, it works.
Would i consider an iPod PDA? If it met my needs i would. I don't NEED data - it's nice, but not a must..... I just need my apps.
Anyway, devices need to meet the needs of the users...... doesn't matter which one - just pick the one that mets YOUR needs, and let others do the same....
I think that's something of a disadvantage to Apple. Apple had to make this big play that being an "always connected" device, 3rd party web apps were actually practical and powerful. I'm still pissed I let the domain name LifeNexus.com expire. Some medical company picked it up. I had such plans... ~ CB
that web app is really more for medical professionals rather than a parent who needs to monitor a child.
But it shows you what it can do.
Check out the youtube video and you'll want to become an MD just to use this software (no I'm not one).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_6yIO2bR8
But it shows you what it can do.
Check out the youtube video and you'll want to become an MD just to use this software (no I'm not one).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_6yIO2bR8
I guess this is all apple's recent moves all about, AppleTV, iPhone, 24/7 online with web app.
Honestly, I think apple is targeting a group of people, rather than mass market. This 24/7 wireless internet thing, IMHO, is unrealistic, and limited.
There were ideas of a internet platform, people do everything computer related on a web platform, unfortunately, its way too limited.
for example, wouldn't a real local app be faster, less battery consuming (with internet, iPhone only lasts 5 hrs anyway), and easier to store information, and more universal(like a tunnel, or a road trip to grand canyon)?