Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[widgeteer]

Now you are moving the target so to speak. This is about Apple and not Android. They are throttling the iPhone 7...it is only a year old.....

This quote sure seems like you are saying you trust what Apple is doing.


From the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eap-way-to-replace-it/?utm_term=.78efe205f7cc


I agree with this wholeheartedly.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/app...atteries-instead-of-slowing-down-iphones.html

If future IOS updates slow down phones because of aging batteries....why not let people opt out of the IOS updates?
Instead it is hard to dismiss the constant prompting to download and install the IOS update.
Why not inform them or give them options?

Here is a great article on BGR......


http://bgr.com/2017/12/21/iphone-battery-life-vs-slow-performance/

No, my comment was purely that Apple has *always* stated it knows best. That's what they've been routinely criticized for by many. Sometimes rightly so, other times Apple actually gets it right. That's not blind trust, that's stating a fact. I didn't suggest that they're right, wrong, or indifferent, just that this decision is in line with virtually every decision they make about their products: they know what's best, the consumer does not.

I've stated they handled it wrong and they should offer other options but again, it has nothing to do with planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence would include letting the phones die on the vine. I brought up Android OEM's as a counter point because if the insistence is that proactively trying to lengthen the life of their phones "proves" Apple is trying to force an upgrade, what do we make of OEM's who don't bother doing anything at all?

And that's actually a pretty terrible editorial from BGR. The person who wrote it doesn't seem to understand anything about smartphones. But that's BGR these days.

 

[jamezr]

No, my comment was purely that Apple has *always* stated it knows best. That's what they've been routinely criticized for by many. Sometimes rightly so, other times Apple actually gets it right. That's not blind trust, that's stating a fact. I didn't suggest that they're right, wrong, or indifferent, just that this decision is in line with virtually every decision they make about their products: they know what's best, the consumer does not.

I've stated they handled it wrong and they should offer other options but again, it has nothing to do with planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence would include letting the phones die on the vine. I brought up Android OEM's as a counter point because if the insistence is that proactively trying to lengthen the life of their phones "proves" Apple is trying to force an upgrade, what do we make of OEM's who don't bother doing anything at all?

And that's actually a pretty terrible editorial from BGR. The person who wrote it doesn't seem to understand anything about smartphones. But that's BGR these days.

Not so by stating Apple says they know whats best for their customers in that context was implying you agreed with that sentiment...or else why bring it up in the context you did? You didn't say you disagreed....

But we don't hear about Android OEMs slowing down their devices to spur new device upgrades. We have heard this about Apple for years and it has proven to be true. You are terribly naive if you think planned obsolescence was not part of the discussion to slow down devices....no matter what the official explanation is.
It give people the impression that their iphone is slow and needs to be upgraded when all they need is a new battery.
They are doing this to the one year old iphone 7.....

 

[widgeteer]

Not so by stating Apple says they know whats best for their customers in that context was implying you agreed with that sentiment...or else why bring it up in the context you did? You didn't say you disagreed....

I don't know...I've stated pretty clearly what my take on that was, the context, and where it originated from. I don't now how to make the point any clearer. If you want to insist I'm lying or whatever, okay...? I don't really care, so perhaps move back to the point of the conversation would be best.

And as I said: sometimes Apple is 100% right, and sometimes 100% wrong. They've gotten more right than wrong, by and large I am a fan of their products so I agree with their philosophy when...I agree with it.

You are terribly naive if you think planned obsolescence was not part of the discussion to slow down devices....no matter what the official explanation is.
It give people the impression that their iphone is slow and needs to be upgraded when all they need is a new battery.
They are doing this to the one year old iphone 7.....

You simply don't understand what they're doing, or how these devices work. I know you buy and use a lot of them, but that doesn't translate to understanding how they work. That's why I believe this conversation is difficult to have with most folks.

No, we dont' hear about Android OEM's slowing down their phones. We just hear about their phones slowing down with complaints of lag, resets, etc. I guess it's different tho.

 

[jamezr]

I don't know...I've stated pretty clearly what my take on that was, the context, and where it originated from. I don't now how to make the point any clearer. If you want to insist I'm lying or whatever, okay...? I don't really care, so perhaps move back to the point of the conversation would be best.

And as I said: sometimes Apple is 100% right, and sometimes 100% wrong. They've gotten more right than wrong, by and large I am a fan of their products so I agree with their philosophy when...I agree with it.



You simply don't understand what they're doing, or how these devices work. I know you buy and use a lot of them, but that doesn't translate to understanding how they work. That's why I believe this conversation is difficult to have with most folks.

No, we dont' hear about Android OEM's slowing down their phones. We just hear about their phones slowing down with complaints of lag, resets, etc. I guess it's different tho.

lol...ohhh so easy to dismiss people that don't agree with you because they don't have the knowledge you do......

You simply don't understand what they're doing, or how these devices work. I know you buy and use a lot of them, but that doesn't translate to understanding how they work. That's why I believe this conversation is difficult to have with most folks.

So then please explain how these devices work......

Oh and btw....I am a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) and an IT security analyst for a fortune 100 financial firm. I can build and tear apart most servers as well as computers.
But I am sure I don't understand how a phone works.......

 

[Tsepz]

I came to have a good read and laugh at what the Apple Apologists would say, and I am certainly not disappointed. "Advanced Power Management" LOL! How do they come up with this ridiculous stuff.

This is something we all have discussed. Over at Reddit they did some research on it...

Geekbench and Reddit think they’ve cracked why iPhones get slower over time
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-to-preserve-battery-life-benchmarks-suggest/

Had this been an Android thing, we would be inundated with threads talking about how Apple doesn't do this and how they keep their performance overtime.

Now you are moving the target so to speak. This is about Apple and not Android. They are throttling the iPhone 7...it is only a year old.....

This quote sure seems like you are saying you trust what Apple is doing.


From the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eap-way-to-replace-it/?utm_term=.78efe205f7cc


I agree with this wholeheartedly.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/app...atteries-instead-of-slowing-down-iphones.html

If future IOS updates slow down phones because of aging batteries....why not let people opt out of the IOS updates?
Instead it is hard to dismiss the constant prompting to download and install the IOS update.
Why not inform them or give them options?

Here is a great article on BGR......


http://bgr.com/2017/12/21/iphone-battery-life-vs-slow-performance/

Oh how the tables have turned

There's no way Apple would let people choose to opt out as we all know the real reason for doing this, and it ain't got to do with no battery degradation, if it did, they would have included an option to opt out and a notification to go get your battery repaired, nobody can tell me they never though of that at some point.

Don't know why you guys bother with these iFans, when Apple began removing useful features like the 3.5mm jack, for no actual reason, and they defended them on that, you should've seen this coming

I cannot wait to see what Apple ruin and remove next year, I get the feeling Apple are just having a good laugh now knowing regardless of what they do their iFans will defend, reminds me of Sony fans back in the day actually, but at least Sony didn't remove useless features and reduce device performance.

 

[NewdestinyX]

I agree completely that the throttling is 100% about Apples ‘totalitarian’-like control over all user experience and nothing at all to do with a “planned obsolescence”. Apple would never need a planned obsolescence- as their name alone drives every year new sales. Apple, with its $768B in assets and no debt is the largest Corp in the world now - larger than any oil company or pharmaceutical co. He!! - the interest alone, on even a third of those assets aggressively invested, could buy Merck and Exxon Mobile combined.. lol..

Apple knows what’s best for us all..

 

[Michael Goff]

I continue to be perplexed by people buying iPhones and thinking Apple is sabotaging them.

 

[convergent]

I agree completely that the throttling is 100% about Apples ‘totalitarian’-like control over all user experience and nothing at all to do with a “planned obsolescence”. Apple would never need a planned obsolescence- as their name alone drives every year new sales. Apple, with its $768B in assets and no debt is the largest Corp in the world now - larger than any oil company or pharmaceutical co. He!! - the interest alone, on even a third of those assets aggressively invested, could buy Merck and Exxon Mobile combined.. lol..

Apple knows what’s best for us all..

Apple has debt... https://seekingalpha.com/article/4083517-apple-debt-binge

 

[NewdestinyX]

Apple has debt... https://seekingalpha.com/article/4083517-apple-debt-binge

C’mon.. Economics 101.. Debt to buy back stock is actually called ‘investment’ .. But I’ll be more precise. Apple has no hard (real estate or operations) debt.

 

[I7guy]

I came to have a good read and laugh at what the Apple Apologists would say, and I am certainly not disappointed. "Advanced Power Management" LOL! How do they come up with this ridiculous stuff.



Had this been an Android thing, we would be inundated with threads talking about how Apple doesn't do this and how they keep their performance overtime. Oh how the tables have turned

There's no way Apple would let people choose to opt out as we all know the real reason for doing this, and it ain't got to do with no battery degradation, if it did, they would have included an option to opt out and a notification to go get your battery repaired, nobody can tell me they never though of that at some point.

Don't know why you guys bother with these iFans, when Apple began removing useful features like the 3.5mm jack, for no actual reason, and they defended them on that, you should've seen this coming

I cannot wait to see what Apple ruin and remove next year, I get the feeling Apple are just having a good laugh now knowing regardless of what they do their iFans will defend, reminds me of Sony fans back in the day actually, but at least Sony didn't remove useless features and reduce device performance.

You know what's going to be funny, nobody really gives a whack about this except for some few people on MR. Apple should replace batteries if the are below expectations, but my guess is most people are going to be like meh. And while you android lovers are yucking it up and having a good time...apple is still selling a boat load of phones. Thanks for the laugh. I have the flu and was not very smiley until I read your post.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Wonder when Apple is going to admit to their bogus battery percentage readings. Being in the 90%- 100% range three times as long than it drops from 89% to 60% makes no sense.

 

[Tsepz]

Wonder when Apple is going to admit to their bogus battery percentage readings. Being is the 90%- 100% range three times as long than it drops from 89% to 60% makes no sense.

Lol, that's next year's big reveal and we'll be reading the same excuses from the apologists who come all the way down to this section of the forum, to defend their precious.

 

[NewdestinyX]

Wonder when Apple is going to admit to their bogus battery percentage readings. Being in the 90%- 100% range three times as long than it drops from 89% to 60% makes no sense.

Recalibrate your battery. Common knowledge.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Recalibrate your battery. Common knowledge.

LOL .... No, that's far from the issue.

 

[NewdestinyX]

LOL .... No, that's far from the issue.

100% of the time I have the situation you described a simple recharge from under 5% to 2 hours past 100% makes battery drop smooth as silk. No long periods of time between 90-100 then big drops.

Battery calibration works 100% of the time. Trust me. I’ve been doing this a VERY long time.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

100% of the time I have the situation you described a simple recharge from under 5% to 2 hours past 100% makes battery drop smooth as silk. No long periods of time between 90-100 then big drops.

Battery calibration works 100% of the time. Trust me. I’ve been doing this a VERY long time.

It's not battery calibration, this is something a large number of iOS users noticed for years. All possible explanations have already been exhausted. This is an iOS trait. Doesn't seem to change regardless of what people try, and doesn't happen on Android.

 

[NewdestinyX]

It's not battery calibration, this is something a large number of iOS users noticed for years. All possible explanations have already been exhausted. This is an iOS trait. Doesn't seem to change regardless of what people try, and doesn't happen on Android.

I’m telling you you’re wrong - I’ve done loads of side by side testing. And no Apple battery I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned all 11 iPhones, has ever exhibited the behavior you describe after a proper calibration. Not one. So what you’re calling ubiquitous just isn’t. I’ve owned 4 Androids as well and they exhibit the exact same behavior when not calibrated at least monthly. Ask any LiOn battery engineer and they’ll conquer with what I’m saying. It’s just the nature of LiOn batteries.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I’m telling you you’re wrong - I’ve done loads of side by side testing. And no Apple battery I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned all 11 iPhones, has ever exhibited the behavior you describe after a proper calibration. Not one. So what you’re calling ubiquitous just isn’t. I’ve owned 4 Androids as well and they exhibit the exact same behavior when not calibrated at least monthly. Ask any LiOn battery engineer and they’ll conquer with what I’m saying. It’s just the nature of LiOn batteries.

You must of had some serious issues with Android if you've done loads of testing. Android does not have this issue, even from out the box. I doubt you can find anyone stating they have, cause it's quite the opposite with Android.

 

[jamezr]

I’m telling you you’re wrong - I’ve done loads of side by side testing. And no Apple battery I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned all 11 iPhones, has ever exhibited the behavior you describe after a proper calibration. Not one. So what you’re calling ubiquitous just isn’t. I’ve owned 4 Androids as well and they exhibit the exact same behavior when not calibrated at least monthly. Ask any LiOn battery engineer and they’ll conquer with what I’m saying. It’s just the nature of LiOn batteries.

I'm telling you your wrong if you think a battery calibration will fix the problem with slowing and degrading batteries in iPhones.
They have all the benchmarks and proof in the links I posted earlier in this thread a page back or so.
Apple says nothing about calibration to save battery life or the lifespan of iPhone batteries

https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

 

[Tsepz]

What was all that nonsense about ONLY some people at MacRumours being the only ones that care about Apple's planned performance degradation? LOL!

 

[NewdestinyX]

You must of had some serious issues with Android if you've done loads of testing. Android does not have this issue, even from out the box. I doubt you can find anyone stating they have, cause it's quite the opposite with Android.

I'm just speaking as an owner of 4 Androids over the last 4 years.. and other devices that have LiOn batteries. The calibration mechanisms are prone to being inaccurate. With Android it's not as bad as Apple - the tendency to for the calibration to drift. But this is endemic to all LiOn battery devices. Their meters ALL need calibration. Batteries no longer need conditioning.. Don't confuse what I'm saying. But there is no 'battery-gate' with Apple..
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I'm telling you your wrong if you think a battery calibration will fix the problem with slowing and degrading batteries in iPhones.
They have all the benchmarks and proof in the links I posted earlier in this thread a page back or so.
Apple says nothing about calibration to save battery life or the lifespan of iPhone batteries

https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

That there is called a 'straw man argument' to which the reply is always the same: "WHO HAS SAID OTHERWISE?!".. In degrading batteries... OF COURSE there are insurmountable problems. But again.. same in Android the poster I first responded to simply described a 100%-90% super slow drain.. the fast from 70-0.. He/She did NOT say OLD battery... My explanation is for the perfectly normal battery out of the box to about 18 months old. You must - every month or so drain to under 5% then full charge to 100% and about 1-2 hours past full. This recalibrates the battery meter to show accurate run down. Works 100% of the time. I'm always able to prove it to every customer I help in my free lance electronics business. Works 100% of the time.

Apple even outlined this need for 8 years.. and only took it off their website late in 2016 because it was confusing people who didn't know the differnence between battery conditioning and battery meter calibration. It's STILL Apple's and all Apple Genius' advice to do this calibration at least once a month.

Old batteries are an ENTIRELY different matter. We agree.

 

[Klyster]

lol, just buy a device that doesn't have a ***** battery......

Calibration lmao...who's got time for these types of shenanigans...

Sorry Newdestinyx, I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems hilarious to me because this is the first time that I've heard of calibration and even if it were all it was cracked up to be, I don't have time to do this. I'll just get a new battery if it degrades.

 

[Tsepz]

I’m telling you you’re wrong - I’ve done loads of side by side testing. And no Apple battery I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned all 11 iPhones, has ever exhibited the behavior you describe after a proper calibration. Not one. So what you’re calling ubiquitous just isn’t. I’ve owned 4 Androids as well and they exhibit the exact same behavior when not calibrated at least monthly. Ask any LiOn battery engineer and they’ll conquer with what I’m saying. It’s just the nature of LiOn batteries.

I believe they may also conquer that it is Li-ion or Lithium-ion.

 

[Tsepz]

lol, just buy a device that doesn't have a ***** battery......

Calibration lmao...

"Common Knowledge". LOL!
I love these guys! Never a dull day

 

[NewdestinyX]

lol, just buy a device that doesn't have a ***** battery......

Calibration lmao...who's got time for these types of shenanigans...

Sorry Newdestinyx, I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems hilarious to me because this is the first time that I've heard of calibration and even if it were all it was cracked up to be, I don't have time to do this. I'll just get a new battery if it degrades.

And again - for clarity’s sake - I never said battery meter calibration helps restore a dying battery. The stated lifespan, by Apple, of their LithiumIon battery is 2 years. After that anything can happen. And maybe I missed what the poster I originally responded to was saying about the age of their phone battery. If old - agreed - no calibration routine will help wonky discharge cycles. But within that 2 year period - especially out of the box to 16-18 months the calibration routine I outlined solves the “slow move from 100-90 then faster drop” issue - every time. I’ve helped hundreds of iPhone owners cure the issue on their newer phones.

If all you guys have been talking about here is ‘old’ batteries - then I withdraw my point as I must’ve missed some context when I jumped in the thread.