Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[lowendlinux]

Yeah I mean step by step directions. Do like how it pings each time and isn’t to distracting

My Android watch does that

 

[The Game 161]

My Android watch does that

for google maps? when did that happen? certainly wasn't available last year on my gear watch

 

[lowendlinux]

for google maps? when did that happen? certainly wasn't available last year on my gear watch

Your gear wasn't Android.

 

[The Game 161]

Your gear wasn't Android.

Android wear isn't all bad then

 

[Puddled]

This argument is hilarious. A bunch if you just need to take off the tin foil hats. Some anecdotal experiences by hundreds (or even thousands to be generous) of users in online forums (I’m guessing but go ahead and count from the largest forums online if that’ll make you feel better ) out of hundreds of millions of phones doesn’t proof jack ****. Nor does a couple of handpicked YouTube videos. Nor does a Google search (seriously? I can search for absolutely any bit of nonsense and Google will provide me with the results I’m looking for ). The Apple ‘planned obsolescence’ conspiracy is just plain *********. Give it a rest already.

Devices slow down over time. My 3 year old MBP isn’t as fast as it was when I bought it, or at least it doesn’t feel like it. Same goes for my older Windows computer, older Android tablet, etc. New OS updates are designed primarily with new devices and their new hardware in mind. They’re going to slow down for any number of reasons.

I’ll agree that iOS 11 seems to be an unremarkable update from an efficiency/optimization standpoint but if you seriously think Apple intentionally designs their OS updates to cripple specific hardware, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell ya.

iPhone 6 - battery just replaced by Apple. It was co-incidentally booked in anyway just as the article hit reddit...

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ar-level-merged.2094218/page-21#post-25598820


Lol.

 

[Radon87000]

Even the iPhone 7 is affected by slowdowns.

I don't have any battery worne devices to test but seems the more your battery gets degraded, the slower the phone. We now even have Geekbench scores as proof. Apple's complete silence on this can only mean one thing...

 

[I7guy]

Even the iPhone 7 is affected by slowdowns.



I don't have any battery worne devices to test but seems the more your battery gets degraded, the slower the phone. We now even have Geekbench scores as proof. Apple's complete silence on this can only mean one thing...

Apples silence might means they have nothing “to report”. And this advanced power management is the proof that “planned obsolescence “ does not exist.

 

[Radon87000]

Apples silence might means they have nothing “to report”. And this advanced power management is the proof that “planned obsolescence “ does not exist.

This advanced power management isn’t affecting all phones in the same manner. Conveniently only a section of the phones are affected and slowed down.

 

[I7guy]

This advanced power management isn’t affecting all phones in the same manner. Conveniently only a section of the phones are affected and slowed down.

Instead of a nefarious intent could just be a bug in power management. My 6s has a battery replaced and it was patently obvious to me there was nothing going on before or after.

 

[Radon87000]

Instead of a nefarious intent could just be a bug in power management. My 6s has a battery replaced and it was patently obvious to me there was nothing going on before or after.

Why did customers have to pay for this? Will Apple refund them?

And again your phone observations are completely meaningless as you didnt take a geekbench screenshot before replacing your battery. There are plenty of users who didn’t notice a slowdown which was there until they used Geekbench.

 

[I7guy]

Why did customers have to pay for this? Will Apple refund them?

And again your phone observations are completely meaningless as you didnt take a geekbench screenshot before replacing your battery. There are plenty of users who didn’t notice a slowdown which was there until they used Geekbench.

I didn’t pay anything and if my observations are meaningless your conclusions are just as meaningless, which actually has been said before about this topic.

 

[Radon87000]

I didn’t pay anything and if my observations are meaningless your conclusions are just as meaningless, which actually has been said before about this topic.

My observations are backed up by numbers.

I am telling you there are plenty of people who Apple charged for battery replacements and have a geekbench score showing a massive boost worth more than what their battery wear was. Score have literally doubled in some cases.

 

[I7guy]

My observations are backed up by numbers.

I am telling you there are plenty of people who Apple charged for battery replacements and have a geekbench score showing a massive boost worth more than what their battery wear was. Score have literally doubled in some cases.

Your conclusions aren’t backed by fact though. My observations is backed up by familiarity with my device and my repair was done by Apple at no cost to me.

 

[Radon87000]

Your conclusions aren’t backed by fact though. My observations is backed up by familiarity with my device and my repair was done by Apple at no cost to me.

What is your reposnse to the people whose phone sped up and they were charged for a battery replacement?

What is your response to the people who bought a new iPhone unaware of this problem?

 

[I7guy]

What is your reposnse to the people whose phone sped up and they were charged for a battery replacement?

Seems like apples advanced power management is working as designed. Proof positive apple doesn't engage in planned obsolescence.

What is your response to the people who bought a new iPhone unaware of this problem?

I don't know what the "problem" or maybe meme is a better work, that is being referred to.

 

[Radon87000]

You are giving incoherent responses like "working as designed" etc. These people paid for an iPhone 7 not a 6s. It should perform like an iPhone 7 and not a 6s. If power management throttles the 7 to 6s speeds within a year thanks to Wear what's the point of buying that A11 Bionic or a10 fusion if that speed is only going to last a year. I mean almost every battery gets to that Wear level within 2 years. But of course a 7 performing like a 6s due to "advanced power management" is working as designed.

 

[Puddled]

I7Guy is not able to appreciate or accept implicit or circumstantial arguments on this.

It has to be black or white as a proof which is almost uuneard of in real life tbh.

I suspect if Tim himself popped up on a iphone 6 and commanded it to self destruct he still wouldn't believe it and offer alternative arguments.

 

[Radon87000]

I7Guy is not able to appreciate or accept implicit or circumstantial arguments on this.

It has to be black or white as a proof which is almost uuneard of in real life tbh.

I suspect if Tim himself popped up on a iphone 6 and commanded it to self destruct he still wouldn't believe it and offer alternative arguments.

I7guy has explicitly confirmed in another thread that he has no problems with Apple throttling some devices to half speed in just a year of usage without any warning and he fully agrees that the customer should pay for a defective battery even if it's Apple's fault. Apple is never wrong. The customer is always wrong and the one to blame and pay.

 

[I7guy]

I7Guy is not able to appreciate or accept implicit or circumstantial arguments on this.

It has to be black or white as a proof which is almost uuneard of in real life tbh.

I suspect if Tim himself popped up on a iphone 6 and commanded it to self destruct he still wouldn't believe it and offer alternative arguments.

Circumstantial is really the operative word. Thanks for pointing that out. But certainly all this is right on-topic with the thread title.

 

[jamezr]

This is something we all have discussed. Over at Reddit they did some research on it...

Geekbench and Reddit think they’ve cracked why iPhones get slower over time
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-to-preserve-battery-life-benchmarks-suggest/

 

[Puddled]

I really struggle to see how anyone could find anything positive about this from a user or Apple perspective.
In fact it looks very, very bad on Apple in a variety of ways.

Booo.

 

[widgeteer]

I really struggle to see how anyone could find anything positive about this from a user or Apple perspective.
In fact it looks very, very bad on Apple in a variety of ways.

Booo.

Wha? Apple should have been informing customers they were doing this, as well as what their other options were. However it makes total sense, and finally should obliterate the nonsense about planned obsolescence. A company that's trying to preserve the life of its devices is hardly trying to shove its customers towards upgrading.

Anyone insisting Apple is just being "shady" doesn't understand Apple. They've always insisted they know what's best for user experience. You either agree or don't, and buy someone else's products.

 

[jamezr]

Wha? Apple should have been informing customers they were doing this, as well as what their other options were. However it makes total sense, and finally should obliterate the nonsense about planned obsolescence. A company that's trying to preserve the life of its devices is hardly trying to shove its customers towards upgrading.

Anyone insisting Apple is just being "shady" doesn't understand Apple. They've always insisted they know what's best for user experience. You either agree or don't, and buy someone else's products.

Not so sure about your logic and blind trust. Apple has traditionally put small batteries in their phones. The logic was IOS was optimized so they did not need larger batteries.
Now Apple admits that they throttle performance because they don't want to affect battery life on older iphones.
This ties directly to what some of us have said all along... IOS updates slow down older iphones. Now we know it was done on purpose. So why not put in larger batteries so when they do degrade it is not as noticeable?
Why not optimize the software updates so they do not slow down older devices? Why not move to better battery technology like other OEMS? If this is a known issue for them....why not provide a clear battery replacement path?

Apple did this in secret assuming they know what is best....your words not mine.
I think you put too much blind trust in a company that historically charges more for their products than others for the same hardware.
This secret practice is a win win for Apple. It slows down older devices spurring people to upgrade to a newer model.
It stops people from complaining about the battery degrading on older devices and seeking replacements.

Then is is not just "agree or don't, and buy someone else's products." We can still not agree with something a company does and still but their products while requesting changes be done. It is not as black and white as that statement belies.

 

[widgeteer]

Not so sure about your logic and blind trust. Apple has traditionally put small batteries in their phones. The logic was IOS was optimized so they did not need larger batteries.
Now Apple admits that they throttle performance because they don't want to affect battery life on older iphones.
This ties directly to what some of us have said all along... IOS updates slow down older iphones. Now we know it was done on purpose. So why not put in larger batteries so when they do degrade it is not as noticeable?
Why not optimize the software updates so they do not slow down older devices? Why not move to better battery technology like other OEMS? If this is a known issue for them....why not provide a clear battery replacement path?

Apple did this in secret assuming they know what is best....your words not mine.
I think you put too much blind trust in a company that historically charges more for their products than others for the same hardware.
This secret practice is a win win for Apple. It slows down older devices spurring people to upgrade to a newer model.
It stops people from complaining about the battery degrading on older devices and seeking replacements.

Then is is not just "agree or don't, and buy someone else's products." We can still not agree with something a company does and still but their products while requesting changes be done. It is not as black and white as that statement belies.

You're mixing up my comments. And I don't have "blind trust". I understand completely what Apple is saying and it's reasonable and makes sense. The forced obsolesce arguments are what never made sense.

This comment:

It slows down older devices spurring people to upgrade to a newer model.

Completely incorrect. I would bet there are *far* more older models of iPhone in the wild than old Android devices due to the fact that Apple took steps to keep the phone usable vs constantly crashing. Shut downs would cause people to buy a new phone. And "slow down" is completely in the eye of the beholder anyway. It's not a straight 1:1 for every instance.

I don't know what you mean by "better battery tech". This is a known issue with all Lithium-ion batteries. They all use the same battery tech as of now. Sammy has claimed their phones will be at 95% battery capacity even after two years. We have no idea if that's going to be true or not. Apple could use bigger batteries, but they prefer the slim form factor. Their sales suggest the bulk of their customers agree.

The "agree or don't" was meant in regards to Apple's philosophy. They've been completely transparant in how they design devices: they know what's best, the consumer doesn't. If you don't like this philosophy or disagree that their products deliver on their beliefs, you should go with someone else. We can always prefer different features but all these phones are what they are, and the companies design them how they design them.

The biggest problem with this issue is too many of you don't understand how this tech works. Apple should have been way more transparant about this, and offered the option of replacing the battery. But this isn't a ploy to force people to buy new phones. I'd suggest android OEM's refusing to update the OS on their devices is closer to that argument.

 

[jamezr]

You're mixing up my comments. And I don't have "blind trust". I understand completely what Apple is saying and it's reasonable and makes sense. The forced obsolesce arguments are what never made sense.

This comment:

It slows down older devices spurring people to upgrade to a newer model.

Completely incorrect. I would bet there are *far* more older models of iPhone in the wild than old Android devices due to the fact that Apple took steps to keep the phone usable vs constantly crashing. Shut downs would cause people to buy a new phone. And "slow down" is completely in the eye of the beholder anyway. It's not a straight 1:1 for every instance.

I don't know what you mean by "better battery tech". This is a known issue with all Lithium-ion batteries. They all use the same battery tech as of now. Sammy has claimed their phones will be at 95% battery capacity even after two years. We have no idea if that's going to be true or not. Apple could use bigger batteries, but they prefer the slim form factor. Their sales suggest the bulk of their customers agree.

The "agree or don't" was meant in regards to Apple's philosophy. They've been completely transparant in how they design devices: they know what's best, the consumer doesn't. If you don't like this philosophy or disagree that their products deliver on their beliefs, you should go with someone else. We can always prefer different features but all these phones are what they are, and the companies design them how they design them.

The biggest problem with this issue is too many of you don't understand how this tech works. Apple should have been way more transparant about this, and offered the option of replacing the battery. But this isn't a ploy to force people to buy new phones. I'd suggest android OEM's refusing to update the OS on their devices is closer to that argument.

Now you are moving the target so to speak. This is about Apple and not Android. They are throttling the iPhone 7...it is only a year old.....

This quote sure seems like you are saying you trust what Apple is doing.

Anyone insisting Apple is just being "shady" doesn't understand Apple. They've always insisted they know what's best for user experience. You either agree or don't, and buy someone else's products.

From the Washington Post

Apple could have been a little more transparent about its practice. (Its latest major update, iOS 11.2, does the same slowdown to an iPhone 7 with a dud battery.) But the larger problem is it leaves the impression that customers should buy a new phone when all they really need is a new battery

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eap-way-to-replace-it/?utm_term=.78efe205f7cc


I agree with this wholeheartedly.

If Apple is going to drop the performance of a smartphone because of poor battery life, it should replace an iPhone's battery at no charge. Sure it's an expensive undertaking for Apple, but a user should be guaranteed a certain level of performance for the lifetime of a product, until Apple stops supporting it with new software. Apple did this for customers who were hurt by the iPhone 6 battery problems.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/app...atteries-instead-of-slowing-down-iphones.html

If future IOS updates slow down phones because of aging batteries....why not let people opt out of the IOS updates?
Instead it is hard to dismiss the constant prompting to download and install the IOS update.
Why not inform them or give them options?

Here is a great article on BGR......

And we’re looking at three lies at least. One: That the iPhone performs great at all times, even when it ages. It’s thispercent faster than the previous model when it comes to CPU performance and that percent faster when it comes to graphics. That’s what Apple tells us every year. It should also tell us that performance will drop once your battery degrades.

Why wasn’t Apple ready to share with the world its new battery-and-performance policy when it introduced it last year? Why not inform users of what’s going on? Why not offer them the ability to choose between performance and battery life via a Settings option that would enable or disable CPU throttling? You know, like a more advanced battery saving mode?

This (#Throttlegate?) issue wouldn’t even be a problem for anyone. But Apple’s decision not to explain it to its customers before it was discovered is really annoying. I mean, did Apple seriously expect for it to go unnoticed?

http://bgr.com/2017/12/21/iphone-battery-life-vs-slow-performance/