that has been my experience as well...it runs great on 10.3.3 but not so great on IOS 11.
That is a bad OS and speaks of deeper problems in Apple's software group.
Not really...is there a way to turn off the update notifications and constant pop up reminders? Then if you don't want the big update can you still get any security updates after that? Or are the updates after that dependent on installing the big OS update?
The point of a software updated is to update software, which can contain security, performance, new apis etc. It's the same for every operating system, including windows, where things break and users aren't happy etc.
I'm not sure which yardstick is being used as a basis for this comment.
We are discussing when a problem can be called out for what it is. According to you, since you and so many users do not experience a slowdown the issue does not exist and we are imagining planned obsolescence
Actually no they aren’t for the typical customer. Apple forces the update on you. I have kept my iPad Pro on iOS 10 and Apple auto downloaded the update in the background multiple times despite me having never visited the check for updates menu.
That device slowed down every year since 2012 by a miniscule amount while it was only in 2016 that it was extremely noticeable.
Yes and the update should let users go back if they do not like it and allow them to revisit it later. Windows 8- Windows 10 upgrade actually goes one step further. On upgrading, it actually states I can roll back to the previous version If I want to in a pop up.
Sure it is customer feedback....people reporting their use cases and problems. Go to the iphone section after every IOS release or new product release. Customers are there giving feedback. Everyone does it here constantly about new phones.....people giving feedback.....You might choose to see the something suck post...but not all of them are like that.
You are mixing and matching narratives to suit an agenda.
You have to talk to apple about this. Apples social media department has probably heard this a lot, but maybe not enough of the customers want to roll-back so there is no incentive for apple to provide that capability. The fact the Microsoft allows you to roll-back is another good reason for windows/android.
I am sure apple has very sophisticated systems and processes that deal with social media. Since they are secretive we will likely never know what these systems and processes are. But when they say something is implemented "based on customer feedback" one has to wonder how and where that customer feedback was actually harvested by apple; e.g. ability to delete apple apps. Then again they may have made some hard and fast policy decisions that short of a massive defection from apple won't cause them to reverse. An example of this is downgrading IOS outside of the window. And lastly someone saying their device is hasn't slowed or their device has slowed.
I am making a very simple point in all those examples I listed. An issue does not need to be experienced by everyone in order to confirm whether an issues exist. The existence of a Pixel 2 XL with a perfect display does not imply that the issue does not exist. It simply means that the owner of that particular unit doesn't have any issue. The owner of the faculty unit even after 5 RMAs and 6 hours worth of call backs with Google, has every right to claim that the displays on the Pixel are a problem because he has factually experienced it. The countless mentions on the screen issues in so many reviews only bring this point home
Your perfect device does not invalidate the existence of my slow device. My device has been slowed down and this has been observed by me on multiple devices over the course of many years. Yearly I experience slowdown. With the inability to downgrade to a previous OS and after paying money for a battery replacement after 2 years planned obsolescence is a fact to me and the countless other customers who experience slowdown every year.
That study did not disprove anything as has been said earlier because it was never claimed geekbench scooted will decrease with updates. I have a GTX 260 from 2009 lying somewhere in my drawer and that GPU still scores the same in 2017 as it did in 2009. Good luck running anything 2017 on it though.
I do not need your acknowledgement on this issue. I suffer from this issue every day when I use the device and to me Apple has markedly degraded he experience on iOS 11.
Both of these issues haven't occurred with me but I acknowledge they do exist as a fact because of sommany customers affected by it.
With the Pixel there is no small sample defect rate. There's too many defective devices out there. The example of the Pixel was introduced only to indicate that the existence of some perfect unit does not in any way imply that the problems do not exist.
In order to define there "is an issue" it has to be measured. There is no definitive measurement to prove apple slows it's devices down. A study even supported that apple doesn't. This is very different than saying everything manufactured under the sun on earth it's expected there is a sample size with defects and/or poor quality control. 100% perfection is not the way of the world, but taken the other way, none of what you say can be measured or proved or even benchmarks agreed on.
I don't have a "perfect" device, I have a device that functions normally for day to day use. If you are looking for a "perfect" device you will never find one. Perfect is subjective anyway, which is why these threads are expansive.
Sure it did; it disproved the notion that apple slows down older devices. You may not like the outcome of the study, or disagree with it. But it's there.
And conversely, your anecdotal experience doesn't matter to me and is not germane to making an unproven generalization. You can claim anything you want and through the largesse of MR can express that thought. Other posters can express their views as well. And here we are, again.
Sure, as internet memes they do exist. Phones bend and if handled roughly will break. Again, going back to 100% perfect manufacture there may be a small percentage of phones that don't take as much abuse due to manufacture. That is way different than the internet meme suggests.
Can you tell me the stats on this, so I can determine what "small" is by my definition. Or are generalizations going to be made based on reddit?
Apple, according to some, does need to do something. It's been proven older phones don't slow down but there is that feedback button.
Again, ask apple. It seems just putting things out on an internet forum is not enough to get apple to make certain changes.
I nearly choked on my coffee when I read this. Well done....
The best measurement is myself when I use my device in the real world and that's where it lags. Google did not need a lab test on the Pixel 2 screen when they raised the warranty to 2 years. Those "Small sample size defect" phones were all they needed
The study supported that Apple did not slow the hardware inside the phone. It does not refute the claim that they don's slow the phone itself.
I am not out to convince you. I am saying just don't call me a liar when I say planned obsolescence exists. Every device I upgrade has it.
I don't disagree with it. I never claimed Apple slowed down the hardware inside a phone
Then stop quoting me with your perfect devices which increase in speed with every upgrade because mine don't and my claim based on what I experience isn't invalidated by your devices.
The structure of the iPhone 6 Plus was slightly weak. It was corrected in the 6s with the 7000 series aluminium. Similarly I expect the Pixel 3 will have a flawless screen despite the small size defect rate
Yes. Read pretty much any review on the phone. Its also the only phone on the market with a 2 year warranty thanks to the small sample size defect rate complains
Its proven the hardware inside the phone does not slow down.
I am not going to waste my time on that. I am keeping my iDevices on the launch version of the OS. It works for me. I lose out on the features but I prioritise performance over features anyway.
Again ani Her baseless statement that can’t be proved.
Okay anecdotally speaking, no problem with that.
Not quite what the conclusion was.
Nobody has called any names so dont spin this. The facts don’t lend themselves to the conclusions being drawn. If anecdotally you want to believe it, go ahead. But when you post a generalization as fact be prepared to have a discussion.
Don’t even know what these means? Underclock the cpu and gay? Is that what isnyou are implying?
Then stop posting with your problem laden devices. Really? Only your experience matters, others that may have the opposite experience don’t count?
My phones get faster as Apple tunes the o/s further. You can claim all you want till the cows come home but it doesn’t change my experience. See how this works?
What does this even mean? The phone is not indestructible?
Those are not stats.
You need to talk to Apple. Posting in anonymous Internet forums doesn’t seem to work. As far as the feedback button use it liberally.
I prioritize both equally, a superior performing subpar feature phone does not cut it. Apple delivers features and performance with each update as shown throughout the years.
Proven with the people I know and myself. A sale is a sale which would not have happened had they optimised for older devices.
That article was entirely full of CPU and GPU benchmarks when it was never claimed those are lower over time. We are talking real world usage which can differ from what benchmarks indicate. Edge scores lower than Chrome in benchmarks. Real world usage its much smoother.
I was told I was imagining things. So I simply converted what was being implied into a word. I was also told Apple slowing down devices is a false statement when my devices are a living contradiction of that. Yes I do agree the hardware inside the phone or tablet hasn't slowed down
I have posted this much earlier. If you are happy with your device,great. However when we say devices are slowed down based on user feedback as well as out own, don't quote us and say we are wrong.
The only way those benchmark scores can be lowered in Futuremark tests is if Apple intentionally underclocks the CPU like in low power mode. This was never claimed to be the issue in the first place so that study proved something which was never disputed in the first place
You have your own experiences. However when we are called out for claiming planned obsolescence and accused of imagining things you can bet we are going to go deep on this.
That bendgate was a thing. I did not have the issue but apparently many did with regular use and which was ;ater fixed
Those were the very reviews which forced Google into coming out with a 2 year warranty and optimising Android for no burn in with a changed nav bar the moment these issues surfaced. They may not have satisfied you but they got the job done which is to say there was problem.
Apple's probably going to say "I can't hear you over all this money raining down". I have found a way out which works. I am going to use it. That feedback app is a joke. I am not getting my issues addressed despite posting in it. Screw it.
I would have to agree with you on that! Money talks!
Not proven for the masses, the reason has been covered previously. It’s great you know the absolute reason for three out of hundreds of millions of consumers.
It takes software to run hardware andnwhatnwas proven is the o/s does not slow down doing actual work.
I was told I wasn’t seeing things that are there. Eventually I figured out I wasn’t seeing them because they weren’t there. I was told my devices must be slower because it is fact Apple slows down devices with future ios updates.
Well same here. When users are quoted saying their devices are faster, don’t quote is and say we are wrong or we aren’t seeing things that aren’t there.
This was covered above.
Pc world already proved that hypothesis false.
The onus is on you p/o guys for proving this.
This is something that needs to be addressed with Apple. You can post all you want but in 10 years Apple hasn’t changed. Ought to say something.
Bendgare was a meme.
This was a manufacturing issue as discussed in a previous post, unlike “bendgate” which is a meme.
People have been saying don’t get worked up over a phone when there are alternatives out there.
Yes it seems. I need the latest features with an o/s that works well. You could care less about features as long as the o/s worksnthe way you want. We all sacrifice nuances of perfection, the question is which nuances is one willing to sacrifice.
My wife’s MacBook Air from 2011 still runs pretty good actually. Battery is just very bad.
