Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[I7guy]

reading this (BGR i know) would suggest that Apple are indeed hobbling radios to align lowest component performances http://bgr.com/2017/09/22/iphone-8-models-att-vs-verizon-speed/



reading this (BGR i know) would suggest that Apple are indeed hobbling radios to align lowest component performances
http://bgr.com/2017/09/22/iphone-8-models-att-vs-verizon-speed/

Now, i ain't no expert, but i would think that having a component perform as best it can, rather than just good enough, is a fair complaint and one with real world consequences.

My 2.0 150BHP MPV can cruise at 100mph.
My 1.2 85BHP Mini can cruise at 100mph.

They are both capable of 100mph, but with very different experiences and consequences!

The phone has to perform the task. I personally don’t care if the radios are “hobbled” or not.
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The thread is just going to devolve into bickering . It’s nice you guys aren’t having problems with your device but as far as I am concerned planned obsolescence is not disproven simply because it happens on my personal devices as I go through more and more upgrades. I also know many people using an older iPhone and they don’t mind it if WhatsApp or Facebook takes 3-4 seconds to load although personally it would annoy me so that strategy doesn’t even seem to work on everyone. By 2020 I will eat my hat if the 7 Plus I own doesn’t start taking 3 seconds to load a sinple menu. As it is I am not satisfied with the way it runs iOS 11. It requires regular charging at 2-3PM everyday and the performance is not on the level of iOS 10.

I really appreciate the fact that Microsoft and Google give users a choice in this regard whatever the argumentative reasons be and I will be back to give those a try as a side device once Google gets their display issues fixed. I don’t know about the Mac but at least on Windows I can downgrade the laptop quite easily using the inbuilt tool. And Windows is not as much of a fragmented market so that’s a plus for Microsoft.

Believing something, eg planned obsolescence, is far different than proving it. And whatsapp is a bit of a pig. On modern devices it loads in 3 seconds. So to hear it loads on older devices in 3 seconds people blame the o/s not the app.

 

[Radon87000]

The phone has to perform the task. I personally don’t care if the radios are “hobbled” or not.
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Believing something, eg planned obsolescence, is far different than proving it. And whatsapp is a bit of a pig. On modern devices it loads in 3 seconds. So to hear it loads on older devices in 3 seconds people blame the o/s not the app.

It’s not a belief. It’s a fact that my device slow down with every upgrade and every old iDevice I use on newer version is slow.

My 7 Plus doesn’t take 3 seconds to load settings btw. Also WhatsApp and Facebook don’t take 5 seconds on my 7 Plus.

 

[Radon87000]

i7guy Please provide a logical explanation for the slower performance instead of going in circles.

 

[I7guy]

It’s not a belief. It’s a fact that my device slow down with every upgrade and every old iDevice I use on newer version is slow.

My 7 Plus doesn’t take 3 seconds to load settings btw. Also WhatsApp and Facebook don’t take 5 seconds on my 7 Plus.

No it’s not a fact. a fact is proven. I have two 5s on iOS 11 b3 that I can get stuff done faster than in iOS 10.3.3. Whatsapp is a pig taking seconds to load on modern devices. People mistakenly blame the o/s for an unoptimized app.

 

[jamezr]

It’s not a belief. It’s a fact that my device slow down with every upgrade and every old iDevice I use on newer version is slow.

My 7 Plus doesn’t take 3 seconds to load settings btw. Also WhatsApp and Facebook don’t take 5 seconds on my 7 Plus.

We don't need his acknowledgement to confirm what everyone else knows. he will never admit Apple is wrong or painted in any kind of negative light.
My iPad Air 2 slowed down to a crawl on IOS 11....i had to go back to 10.3.3 to get it back to normal.
There is enough data on these forums after every major release to see people saying the same this about the IOS updates slowing their devices down. I think most Apple buyers have just become so used to it that they just upgrade their devices as just the cost of having an Apple device on the newest software release.

 

[I7guy]

We don't need his acknowledgement to confirm what everyone else knows. he will never admit Apple is wrong or painted in any kind of negative light.
My iPad Air 2 slowed down to a crawl on IOS 11....i had to go back to 10.3.3 to get it back to normal.
There is enough data on these forums after every major release to see people saying the same this about the IOS updates slowing their devices down. I think most Apple buyers have just become so used to it that they just upgrade their devices as just the cost of having an Apple device on the newest software release.

As people say ios updates slow down the device, people say iOS updates are great, don’t slow down the device. Even Apple has acknowledged they have spent time optimizing certain things since a previous release.

There are more than enough posters to show the opposite and then there is that study.

 

[jamezr]

WiFi speeds are the same as my other devices on my network. They all do the about 100mb up and down which is the capacity of my internet.

Is this supposed to be a problem?

He is referencing the YouTube video of the One-plus 5t destroying the iPhone X in speed tests.

 

[widgeteer]

We don't need his acknowledgement to confirm what everyone else knows. he will never admit Apple is wrong or painted in any kind of negative light.
My iPad Air 2 slowed down to a crawl on IOS 11....i had to go back to 10.3.3 to get it back to normal.
There is enough data on these forums after every major release to see people saying the same this about the IOS updates slowing their devices down. I think most Apple buyers have just become so used to it that they just upgrade their devices as just the cost of having an Apple device on the newest software release.

These forums aren’t data.

 

[jamezr]

These forums aren’t data.

sure they are...why would they not be? User feedback is exactly how data is gathered. Companies spend a huge amount of money to gather user feedback.
Users....report the problems to begin with.....

 

[lowendlinux]

The phone has to perform the task. I personally don’t care if the radios are “hobbled” or not.
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Believing something, eg planned obsolescence, is far different than proving it. And whatsapp is a bit of a pig. On modern devices it loads in 3 seconds. So to hear it loads on older devices in 3 seconds people blame the o/s not the app.

But @Septembersrain who originally brought it up has/had problems in her house (I believe) with her old iPhone you can't do tasks if you have no signal it wasn't theoretical and she's been talking about it for quite a while.

 

[I7guy]

But @Septembersrain who originally brought it up has/had problems in her house (I believe) with her old iPhone you can't do tasks if you have no signal it wasn't theoretical and she's been talking about it for quite a while.

I dont doubt her experience; I never hit on this specific thing myself although my house is in a dead zone but I have WiFi calling turned in. The point that many make is one users experience does not make it so for everybody.

 

[AustinIllini]

sure they are...why would they not be? User feedback is exactly how data is gathered. Companies spend a huge amount of money to gather user feedback.
Users....report the problems to begin with.....

This forum is data and you can learn a lot from observation. It's obviously not perfect data (we tend to be, on average, happier and angrier with our devices). We praise more and tolerate less.

 

[jamezr]

This forum is data and you can learn a lot from observation. It's obviously not perfect data (we tend to be, on average, happier and angrier with our devices). We praise more and tolerate less.

Apple and other very large corporations have teams that monitor and gather data from forums just like this and social media sites and forums. Especially very big apple-centric sites this this. They have teams that gather exactly this kind of feedback.

 

[convergent]

You don't understand how an ecosystem works. If I have a PC and an iPhone, I am not in the Apple ecosystem. The Apple ecosystem only works if you have (at minimum), two Apple devices. At MINIMUM you're spending $650 for an iPhone and $300ish for an iPad. That's $1000+ with no AppleCare. But, let's be real. You're more likely going iPhone and Mac, which is at minimum $1700 US. Want all three? That's upward of $2000 US. That's the quote I gave you.

"If you don't like an ecosystem, leave it" implies that at some point I'm going to spend $2000 to switch. That is a shortsighted and ignorant attitude.

I'm making perfect sense. An ecosystem isn't an ecosystem without multiple devices.

I don't understand how an ecosystem works? You are funny. I've worked in technology for 30 years... I think I have the "ecosystem" figured out.

You aren't listening to what I said. You are trying to apply your situation as universal, and its not. I don't think people wake up one day and say, "I hate Apple, I'm going to get rid of my ecosystem!", and then go out just buy all new gear.

What I said was I waited until I was going to replace a component in the ecosystem and made a choice to go with something that wasn't Apple. I didn't spend anything EXTRA. Not getting why this is hard to comprehend. My phone was 2 years old. I was going to replace it. I looked at Apple... looked at Samsung... looked at Google... bought Samsung. Then at another point I planned to replace my computer... so I did the same thing.

As soon as I bought the first non-Apple device, I still had an Apple ecosystem, but I also had a heterogeneous ecosystem as well. Over time, I had a smaller and smaller Apple ecosystem. Didn't spend a dime more... in fact I actually spent less because some of the Apple components costs more than their non-Apple counterparts.

At one point I had iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, Apple TV, and an Airport network.

1. Stopped most use of Pad when I moved to a plus sized iPhone.
2. Replaced Airport Network with Netgear Orbi
3. Replaced Mac Mini & Dell work laptop with Surface Pro
4 & 5. Replaced iPhone 6s+ with Note 8, and replaced Apple Watch with Gear S3
6. Added Roku and Chromecast .. still have Apple TV

There was about 6 months between each of these moves, other than the last one. And pretty much all in time frames that I have historically replaced these parts of my systems. FYI, I still have most of the Apple stuff but have just stopped using it.

 

[Radon87000]

No it’s not a fact. a fact is proven. I have two 5s on iOS 11 b3 that I can get stuff done faster than in iOS 10.3.3. Whatsapp is a pig taking seconds to load on modern devices. People mistakenly blame the o/s for an unoptimized app.

With the case of the Pixel 2 XL, there are certain screens which are perfect according to some . There are also crap screens out there according to some others. By your logic, no major screen issue exists with the model because of lack of proof and Google didn’t cheap out on the screen because there are people with zero issues. Customer feedback is what establishes a problem. You don’t need all customers to complain to establish a problem.

 

[I7guy]

With the case of the Pixel 2 XL, there are certain screens which are perfect according to some . There are also crap screens out there according to some others. By your logic, no major screen issue exists with the model because of lack of proof and Google didn’t cheap out on the screen because there are people with zero issues. Customer feedback is what establishes a problem. You don’t need all customers to complain to establish a problem.

On the other hand by your logic if one person has an issue than everyone must have the same issue. So there is no middle ground in that one person’s experience maybe two persons or more or none others. A “problem” is defined by the company not posters in MR. And customer feedback does not necessarily constitute a “problem”. But when millions are manufactured there will be some variability.

 

[Septembersrain]

But @Septembersrain who originally brought it up has/had problems in her house (I believe) with her old iPhone you can't do tasks if you have no signal it wasn't theoretical and she's been talking about it for quite a while.

It was really quite night and day moving to the V30 (then V30+). I went out to the middle of nowhere, well okay it's only my guys parents home, but it's pretty secluded. We go out there to help feed the animals.

When we were done, I realized I was still listening to YouTube Red on data! It wasn't just my offline playlist as I was listening to a song I hadn't heard in a long while.

Sure, T-Mobile is not the greatest in coverage. Some people mention that. However, it seems to be working out for me fine now. I'm not switching carriers just to get a decent signal with an iPhone when it was easy for me to just switch manufacturers.

Problem solved.

 

[Radon87000]

On the other hand by your logic if one person has an issue than everyone must have the same issue. So there is no middle ground in that one person’s experience maybe two persons or more or none others. A “problem” is defined by the company not posters in MR. And customer feedback does not necessarily constitute a “problem”. But when millions are manufactured there will be some variability.

Never said everyone had an issue. I said if you don't notice the problem, well good enough for you, enjoy your device. Exactly the case with the Pixel 2 XL. There are complaints of graininess, black smears and black crush on Reddit on low brightness. However the device itself is great in all other aspects. There are customers who aren't seeing it. Good for them. Please don't say that the screen is free of issues. There are many customers who are having issues which proves the screen is a flaw.


The problem with the Pixel 2 XL screen has been well established. Reputed Reviewers have documented problems with the screen which is again anecdotal. Google has even then not admitted that any such issue exists. Companies usually don't unless it's something life threatening. That does not mean the problem isn't there. I have seen many people on Reddit who are on their 4th and 5th RMA and are getting screens which trade one set of problems for another. One is more grainy. One lacks grain but has more blue tint. One has a black bar across the screen. One seems have low brightness but perfect in all other aspects. One has image retention after just a few days.

If your logic is followed, there is nothing to fix. Everything is anecdotal and Google should use the same screens next year.

 

[Radon87000]

Heck I recall Apple didn’t admit Touch Disease a flaw when it really was a flaw with their own design. They asked customers to pay and said some crap about the problem being caused because customers were dropping the phone repeatedly . The customer is blamed. Customers are going to repeatedly drop such an expensive phone. Totally believable.

No company is going to admit a problem with its own product.

 

[Puddled]

"...You are holding it wrong.."

 

[Septembersrain]

Heck I recall Apple didn’t admit Touch Disease a flaw when it really was a flaw with their own design. They asked customers to pay and said some crap about the problem being caused because customers were dropping the phone repeatedly . The customer is blamed. Customers are going to repeatedly drop such an expensive phone. Totally believable.

No company is going to admit a problem with its own product.

I can't necessarily say that. Yeah, they do ignore quite a few issues until it becomes really widespread. However I sent them my Apple watch 1 series because the battery expanded as the screen came off the frame. I sent it on Monday. A new looking refurb came today. The watch was a year and a half in age. So they acknowledged the problem and set a program to fix it.

I'll give them that. However in store, they had also denied a bent 6 I had. So they can also ignore issues at their discretion as well. It is what it is.

I can only be part of the group that tells my experiences and votes with my wallet. My issue is clear and until I am sure Apple no longer has it, they won't get another dime from me.

I don't hate or want to bash on Apple at all. I just want them to give people what they are buying the device for. The ability to have stable calls and data. The phone functions themselves can be great but if it can't get a signal?

It's pointless.

 

[I7guy]

Never said everyone had an issue. I said if you don't notice the problem, well good enough for you, enjoy your device. Exactly the case with the Pixel 2 XL. There are complaints of graininess, black smears and black crush on Reddit on low brightness. However the device itself is great in all other aspects. There are customers who aren't seeing it. Good for them. Please don't say that the screen is free of issues. There are many customers who are having issues which proves the screen is a flaw.


The problem with the Pixel 2 XL screen has been well established. Reputed Reviewers have documented problems with the screen which is again anecdotal. Google has even then not admitted that any such issue exists. Companies usually don't unless it's something life threatening. That does not mean the problem isn't there. I have seen many people on Reddit who are on their 4th and 5th RMA and are getting screens which trade one set of problems for another. One is more grainy. One lacks grain but has more blue tint. One has a black bar across the screen. One seems have low brightness but perfect in all other aspects. One has image retention after just a few days.

If your logic is followed, there is nothing to fix. Everything is anecdotal and Google should use the same screens next year.

Why is the pixel 2 even part of this conversation? Are we discussing the takata air bags of oled screens?

But following your logic every pixel 2 screen has issues, which clearly isn’t the case.
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Heck I recall Apple didn’t admit Touch Disease a flaw when it really was a flaw with their own design. They asked customers to pay and said some crap about the problem being caused because customers were dropping the phone repeatedly . The customer is blamed. Customers are going to repeatedly drop such an expensive phone. Totally believable.

No company is going to admit a problem with its own product.

My son admitted to dropping his; but Apple replaced the phone anyway.

 

[Zaft]

We don't need his acknowledgement to confirm what everyone else knows. he will never admit Apple is wrong or painted in any kind of negative light.
My iPad Air 2 slowed down to a crawl on IOS 11....i had to go back to 10.3.3 to get it back to normal.
There is enough data on these forums after every major release to see people saying the same this about the IOS updates slowing their devices down. I think most Apple buyers have just become so used to it that they just upgrade their devices as just the cost of having an Apple device on the newest software release.

Really? I have had the opposite experience. Maybe its slowed down a little, but considering its from 2014 and has new features I think its pretty good.

 

[Puddled]

The iphone 5 on IOS 6 vs 10.

"Significantly faster"
"Much smoother "

According to the reviewer.

This would be my experience of IOS updates on the iphone, and the experience of others in this forum, of many on this site and of the Apple fans in general.

I don't think it can be disputed. It is what is.

The argument as to why this happens is another question altogether.

Do i think Apple deliberately hobble or bork the OS or hardware to slow older phones down? No. That's ridiculous.

Do i think Apple throw the full OS update (minus some key features reserved for new devices regardless of whether or not the older hardware is capable) at older devices with full knowledge that the older devices may/will/do struggle to remain fluid and smooth so that existing customers get a little extra nudge to upgrade?

Yes. Absolutely.

Can this be proved? No. The above is upprovable without Apple or its engineers explicitly admiting it.

Is it a fair accusation?
Empirical evidence suggests it is

 

[Zaft]

The iphone 5 on IOS 6 vs 10.

"Significantly faster"
"Much smoother "

According to the reviewer.

This would be my experience of IOS updates on the iphone, and the experience of others in this forum, of many on this site and of the Apple fans in general.

I don't think it can be disputed. It is what is.

The argument as to why this happens is another question altogether.

Do i think Apple deliberately hobble or bork the OS or hardware to slow older phones down? No. That's ridiculous.

Do i think Apple throw the full OS update (minus some key features reserved for new devices regardless of whether or not the older hardware is capable) at older devices with full knowledge that the older devices may/will/do struggle to remain fluid and smooth so that existing customers get a little extra nudge to upgrade?

Yes. Absolutely.

Can this be proved? No. The above is upprovable without Apple or its engineers explicitly admiting it.

Is it a fair accusation?
Empirical evidence suggests it is

An iPhone 5 from 2012 slowing down on an update from 2016 is not surprising....

What is surprising is when devices that are only around a year old slowing down.