Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[koigirl]

I am curious why you spend so much time on the Alternative forum if you love your Apple products so much and don't seem to be interested in or considering alternative products? Every post you make is Apple-defending. So why not spend more of your time, *wisdom*, and effort on the iOS or Apple product forums and less here starting arguments/doggedly/obstinately defending a trillion dollar company?

To say that Apple updates do not slow down older models is absurd as this is a known effect. I've had an iPhone since 2010 and Macs since 2000. Every iPad except 4. Lots of Apple TV'S, Apple routers, Time Capsule, and MacBooks galore. I've enthusiastically recommended Apple products for family members for 17 years. Even now, I wouldn't suggest my older family members try Android bc they couldn't handle the transition and it would be too complicated for them. I myself, though, am steadily tiring of Apple incremental upgrades, pricing increases, and crippling updates across the entire product line. As someone else said in one of these threads, "less for more" under Tim Cook is increasingly grating.

 

[Septembersrain]

With possibly hundreds of millions of customers some dissatisfied customers are to be expected. It doesn’t sound like anything Apple can do to make you a satisfied customer.

I depend on tech and if needed I would throw out all tech and start from scratch.

But I’m not sure one needs to spend $3000. Cheap windows computer $200. Second hand android phone from eBay, $400 to get started. Chrome cast $35. Not really that expensive to make one happy since people seem to citing cost as the reason.

It's not just the hardware. What about the software? People can spend a lot on applications, they'd have to buy them all over again on new devices!

Apple can make quite a few of us satisfied. Here is how for me:

1) Stop forcing updates, if it's a security patch you can just send the patch. It is my phone, I should decide if iOS 10 or iOS 11 runs better on it. Heck, I should be able to decide if I even care about security patches at all. This "One size fits all" doesn't fit.

2) Component lottery. I get Apple is mad at Qualcomm for "double dipping" but can you at least go to court for this first before you start giving us inferior Intel modems? How shady do you have to be to cripple the Qualcomm modem, stop royalty payments, then go to court? Sounds a lot like sabotage. Look at how they chose TSMC exclusively after that fiasco with the 6s...

3) Focus on bettering your products. Most of us care more about that then all the SJW crap Mr Cook seems to be spending precious time on. Which is great in the hypocrisy considering Apple uses tax haven countries and loves cheap labor just like every other huge monopoly lacking ethics.

 

[I7guy]

I am curious why you spend so much time on the Alternative forum if you love your Apple products so much and don't seem to be interested in or considering alternative products? Every post you make is Apple-defending. So why not spend more of your time, *wisdom*, and effort on the iOS or Apple product forums and less here starting arguments/doggedly/obstinately defending a trillion dollar company?

To say that Apple updates do not slow down older models is absurd as this is a known effect. I've had an iPhone since 2010 and Macs since 2000. Every iPad except 4. Lots of Apple TV'S, Apple routers, Time Capsule, and MacBooks galore. I've enthusiastically recommended Apple products for family members for 17 years. Even now, I wouldn't suggest my older family members try Android bc they couldn't handle the transition and it would be too complicated for them. I myself, though, am steadily tiring of Apple incremental upgrades, pricing increases, and crippling updates across the entire product line. As someone else said in one of these threads, "less is more" under Tim Cook is increasingly grating.

Not sure of who you are referring to but let me answer as an MR poster. These forums are open to anyone that wants to participate and adheres to the guidelines for appropriate debate. MR is clearly an Apple centric forum with boards dedicated to other interests as well.

As much Apple defending that goes on, there is the equivalent of the other side; ie “bashing” for lack of a better word. All of it worthy for discussion.

To say that Apple updates don’t slow down products is a general and patently false statement taken as broad brush stroke. Maybe iPhones pre-iPhone 5. I’m still using my iPhone 4 on iOS 7. It’s not great but definitely usable. iPad 2 far from unusable. My oldest iPhone 5s, runs great on iOS 11.

As far as the price/value equation, it’s different for all. That my iPhone 4 is still in use is One of the reasons I’m willing to spend more on Apple products; longevity.

As far as apples net worth; it’s the counter to those who say Apple is going downhill. By whose measure and why keep buying their products? Which leads to the viscous circle of replacing components and buying even more from a company you don’t like.

 

[Radon87000]

It's not just the hardware. What about the software? People can spend a lot on applications, they'd have to buy them all over again on new devices!

Apple can make quite a few of us satisfied. Here is how for me:

1) Stop forcing updates, if it's a security patch you can just send the patch. It is my phone, I should decide if iOS 10 or iOS 11 runs better on it. Heck, I should be able to decide if I even care about security patches at all. This "One size fits all" doesn't fit.

2) Component lottery. I get Apple is mad at Qualcomm for "double dipping" but can you at least go to court for this first before you start giving us inferior Intel modems? How shady do you have to be to cripple the Qualcomm modem, stop royalty payments, then go to court? Sounds a lot like sabotage. Look at how they chose TSMC exclusively after that fiasco with the 6s...

3) Focus on bettering your products. Most of us care more about that then all the SJW crap Mr Cook seems to be spending precious time on. Which is great in the hypocrisy considering Apple uses tax haven countries and loves cheap labor just like every other huge monopoly lacking ethics.

What’s hilarious is that the One Plus 5T gets almost double download speed on WiFi compared to iPhone X and it costs as much as it takes to replace the back of the iPhone X.

 

[I7guy]

It's not just the hardware. What about the software? People can spend a lot on applications, they'd have to buy them all over again on new devices!

Apple can make quite a few of us satisfied. Here is how for me:

1) Stop forcing updates, if it's a security patch you can just send the patch. It is my phone, I should decide if iOS 10 or iOS 11 runs better on it. Heck, I should be able to decide if I even care about security patches at all. This "One size fits all" doesn't fit.

2) Component lottery. I get Apple is mad at Qualcomm for "double dipping" but can you at least go to court for this first before you start giving us inferior Intel modems? How shady do you have to be to cripple the Qualcomm modem, stop royalty payments, then go to court? Sounds a lot like sabotage. Look at how they chose TSMC exclusively after that fiasco with the 6s...

3) Focus on bettering your products. Most of us care more about that then all the SJW crap Mr Cook seems to be spending precious time on. Which is great in the hypocrisy considering Apple uses tax haven countries and loves cheap labor just like every other huge monopoly lacking ethics.

You have a point with Some of those changes may be coming, as being an Apple customer you know the companies mindset. Mr. Cook seems willing to change things around based in customer input. The question is how many people are asking for incremental updates and where Apple is going in the future. As far as component lottery, I don’t know. I personally don’t care what’s inside my iPhone just that Apple supports the products I buy.

As far as the “tax haven” no enimus toward companies doing things legally but that is prsi territory.

 

[Septembersrain]

What’s hilarious is that the One Plus 5T gets almost double download speed on WiFi compared to iPhone X and it costs as much as it takes to replace the back of the iPhone X.

It's utter garbage! One of the reasons why I started using Apple at all was because I felt they wouldn't skimp on hardware. They were a premium brand that cared about giving customers the best they could offer both hardware and software wise. That was the signal and message they were portraying.

Two 5s with dead pixels, 6 bent, 6s battery recall, 6s TSMC VS Samsung issue with battery life, SE logic board failed on three units from same batch at Apple store and I had to use my JUMP on T-Mobile out of frustration!

Now the Qualcomm VS Intel issue where they are obviously favoring the weaker component once AGAIN!

I still have my original Huawei Ascend. My Note 3 actually still works the same as it did the day I bought it. I'm sure some people have no issues with Apple products but I'll be damned if they can bold face tell me Apple has no issues at all. We all know I went through a bit to get a good screen on my V30+. I'm not making excuses for any company.

Brand loyalty is akin to ignorance.

Last statement is just my opinion.

 

[Septembersrain]

You have a point with Some of those changes may be coming, as being an Apple customer you know the companies mindset. Mr. Cook seems willing to change things around based in customer input. The question is how many people are asking for incremental updates and where Apple is going in the future. As far as component lottery, I don’t know. I personally don’t care what’s inside my iPhone just that Apple supports the products I buy.

As far as the “tax haven” no enimus toward companies doing things legally but that is prsi territory.

Yeah, it's PRSI territory but it affects my overall view on the company as I want to see more care going into their products than about this.

I care what is inside my phone! Everyone should as it could make the difference between having no service in the dark with a flat tire in the country and being able to call for help.

Cook is caring a lot less these days and it's typical big company mindset. It's not surprising but it is disappointing. Unless people vote with their wallet, this won't change. "Less for more" is here to stay until even the most laidback get pushed a notch too far. I can't say how the future will go, I'm just a spectator.

^ I see what I did there. A "notch" too far. Haha!

Anyways, no company is perfect but having a friend of mine with the iPhone X borrowing my V30+ to make a call in a city 30 minutes away from San Antonio? It just further infuriated me with this modem mess. She wasn't even upset "Oh it's just T-Mobile!". No ma'am, my V30+ is T-Mobile too.

 

[The Game 161]

Not sure why WiFi speed should matter no matter what device it’s on. Calling on my x is flawless just like WiFi and 4G speeds are great

Get 86MB download at work and over 70MB on my home internet

 

[mikef07]

Yeah, it's PRSI territory but it affects my overall view on the company as I want to see more care going into their products than about this.

I care what is inside my phone! Everyone should as it could make the difference between having no service in the dark with a flat tire in the country and being able to call for help.

Cook is caring a lot less these days and it's typical big company mindset. It's not surprising but it is disappointing. Unless people vote with their wallet, this won't change. "Less for more" is here to stay until even the most laidback get pushed a notch too far. I can't say how the future will go, I'm just a spectator.

^ I see what I did there. A "notch" too far. Haha!

Anyways, no company is perfect but having a friend of mine with the iPhone X borrowing my V30+ to make a call in a city 30 minutes away from San Antonio? It just further infuriated me with this modem mess. She wasn't even upset "Oh it's just T-Mobile!". No ma'am, my V30+ is T-Mobile too.

I travel to San Antonio/Austin for work all the time and I mean all over the suburbs and have never had one issue with my iphone making calls. Boerne, Hondo, Moore, Seguin, Frederickburg, New Braunfels, Jordanton, Kernville, San Marcos. No issues ever.

T- Mobile is crap

 

[Septembersrain]

I travel to San Antonio/Austin for work all the time and I mean all over the suburbs and have never had one issue with my iphone making calls. Boerne, Hondo, Moore, Seguin, Frederickburg, New Braunfels, Jordanton, Kernville, San Marcos. No issues ever.

T- Mobile is crap

The point I'm making is that my T-Mobile V30+ works fine in Boerne, Hondo, Castroville, Rio Medina, Kerrville, and everywhere in between.

Her iPhone X does not.

You are not on T-Mobile I'm assuming? So this is irrelevant to my point saying that yours works fine.

 

[AustinIllini]

The point I'm making is that my T-Mobile V30+ works fine in Boerne, Hondo, Castroville, Rio Medina, Kerrville, and everywhere in between.

Her iPhone X does not.

You are not on T-Mobile I'm assuming? So this is irrelevant to my point saying that yours works fine.

I think the only thing we can agree upon entirely is that mobile coverage data requires crowdsourcing, not individual observations.

 

[Radon87000]

Not sure why WiFi speed should matter no matter what device it’s on. Calling on my x is flawless just like WiFi and 4G speeds are great

Get 86MB download at work and over 70MB on my home internet

Except for $1000 you would expect an iPhone X to destroy a One Plus 5t in pretty much everything at 3 times the cost. Both are fast but the speed is almost half on the iPhone on WiFi.

 

[The Game 161]

Except for $1000 you would expect an iPhone X to destroy a One Plus 5t in pretty much everything at 3 times the cost. Both are fast but the speed is almost half on the iPhone on WiFi.

Why should it be any faster or slower?

I fail to understand why it matters when the speeds I certainly get are super fast for what I need. You don’t need 100Mb speeds for mobile devices

 

[Radon87000]

I am curious why you spend so much time on the Alternative forum if you love your Apple products so much and don't seem to be interested in or considering alternative products? Every post you make is Apple-defending. So why not spend more of your time, *wisdom*, and effort on the iOS or Apple product forums and less here starting arguments/doggedly/obstinately defending a trillion dollar company?

To say that Apple updates do not slow down older models is absurd as this is a known effect. I've had an iPhone since 2010 and Macs since 2000. Every iPad except 4. Lots of Apple TV'S, Apple routers, Time Capsule, and MacBooks galore. I've enthusiastically recommended Apple products for family members for 17 years. Even now, I wouldn't suggest my older family members try Android bc they couldn't handle the transition and it would be too complicated for them. I myself, though, am steadily tiring of Apple incremental upgrades, pricing increases, and crippling updates across the entire product line. As someone else said in one of these threads, "less is more" under Tim Cook is increasingly grating.

Actually I don’t think I have seen a single complaint from him in 3 years. He even calls iOS betas flawless and has zero issues with them.

 

[Septembersrain]

Why should it be any faster or slower?

I fail to understand why it matters when the speeds I certainly get are super fast for what I need. You don’t need 100Mb speeds for mobile devices

For what YOU need.

 

[I7guy]

Actually I don’t think I have seen a single complaint from him in 3 years. He even calls iOS betas flawless and has zero issues with them.

And in the other hand some people are reporting the betas are a train wreck; iOS 11 is the worst release ever etc. ymmv with all of this. Neither represents anything other than anecdotal experiences.

 

[Radon87000]

And in the other hand some people are reporting the betas are a train wreck; iOS 11 is the worst release ever etc. ymmv with all of this. Neither represents anything other than anecdotal experiences.

I actually don’t even like being on the beta. I am only on it because I want my phone fixed back to the way it used to be.

 

[The Game 161]

For what YOU need.

Seriously what do you need 300Mb?

The speeds on these Devices are down to the speed of the network or WiFi that you’re on. Should not matter at all on the Device

I can get the same speeds on my parents WiFi that my dad gets on his note 8. Which is 220Mb. Should make no difference

It’s like people are picking at flaws for the sake of moaning

 

[Septembersrain]

I actually don’t even like being on the beta. I am only on it because I want my phone fixed back to the way it used to be.

The cycle of endless beta until you finally hit the end and buy a new iPhone. It's great right?

 

[Septembersrain]

Seriously what do you need 300Mb?

The speeds on these Devices are down to the speed of the network or WiFi that you’re on. Should not matter at all on the Device

I can get the same speeds on my parents WiFi that my dad gets on his note 8. Which is 220Mb. Should make no difference

It’s like people are picking at flaws for the sake of moaning

Okay, the person above clearly wasn't getting the same speeds.

If I want to download a big file that requires that? What does it matter to you? If you're happy with the speeds you get, cool. Just don't make assumptions we all should be.

 

[The Game 161]

Okay, the person above clearly wasn't getting the same speeds.

If I want to download a big file that requires that? What does it matter to you? If you're happy with the speeds you get, cool. Just don't make assumptions we all should be.

My point is the Device shouldn’t matter when it comes to these speeds. It’s all down to the network or WiFi connection. The speeds shouldn’t be any different

 

[Radon87000]

My point is the Device shouldn’t matter when it comes to these speeds. It’s all down to the network or WiFi connection. The speeds shouldn’t be any different

EVerythingApplePro ran the WiFi Test Multiple times between the iPhone X and the One Plus 5t. Each time the iPhone X was half the speed.

 

[The Game 161]

EVerythingApplePro ran the WiFi Test Multiple times between the iPhone X and the One Plus 5t. Each time the iPhone X was half the speed.

Maybe the models in the US are different who knows but my speeds are no different to any other Device I’ve tested.

 

[I7guy]

I actually don’t even like being on the beta. I am only on it because I want my phone fixed back to the way it used to be.

Right in one hand you say that role say how flawless it is and on the other hand

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...of-ios-11-since-launch.2090163/#post-25500928

 

[timeconsumer]

Right in one hand you say that role say how flawless it is and on the other hand

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...of-ios-11-since-launch.2090163/#post-25500928

Where did he say it was flawless?