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Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity
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Ugh! They wouldn't replace mine! Yet some they did. It was at their discretion, which felt really shady.
Well, whatever. They don't like me much at my local stores. Dead pixels on 5s, twice. Then bent 6. Then 6s with battery recall. Then SE with logic board issues that was replaced three times from same batch and did the same thing... Gave up and used JUMP on T-Mobile to get another 6s!
Went to Apple store last month, was going to get a 7 Plus replacement but before I wiped mine, I asked to do a test call on the replacement..
It dropped that call. So I kept my original as at least the rest of it works well even if calls and data are positively horrid. Mine was actually less yellow than the one they were offering me anyways, meh!
I had trouble with Android phones too from time to time, like my V30+. I went through two of them to find a uniform screen but I've seen variances on the iPhone X too.
OLED, its got its pros and cons.
My only issue with Apple as of now is their choice of component lottery.
Seems my comment regarding nit picking went a bit over your head.
You know what i meant in all instances despite my literature and language skills being less than yours.
A higher education is nothing without a little bit of grace and humilty.
Please look in my post history and knock yourself out if being the forum grammar policeman is your bag.
Personally, i prefer to stick to the topics at hand rather than the minutia of the post itself.
Please feel free to have the last word (again) on this. It will torment you if you don't and I'm too exhausted with it to bother.
What good is speed if the springboard crashes are the worst in any IOS release. It's not secret the x.0 gm version undergoes many tweaks before become "pinnacle of perfection" as it were. With so many springboard crashes getting useful work done was very difficult on ios 8.
I struggle to reconcile comments like this with those in other posts that ask the most basic "how to" questions about iOS 11 changes that have already been extensively covered online. An example is the way the wifi and bluetooth toggles work in Notification Center. Average users really still don't understand how this works, and here we have people asking for a complete re-write of iOS which will completely disorient the vast majority of Apple's user base. You can't have it both ways.
I never said you didn’t have issues. What is being said is because you have issues, you can’t make a generalization about speaking for the masses.
Putting for an opinion as fact requires proof of which nobody has been able to provide. Correlation proves causation runs rampant here. But I’m happy for Apple that they can be devious and derive more sales from a strategy that some of you are smart enough to see through.
My older devices have slowed down. I have also seen how slow the older iPhones perform in the wild. That’s all the proof I need
If planned obsolescence isn’t a thing why doesn’t Apple enable downgrade support and provide security fixes for older iOS versions. Both Microsoft and Google do this with their devices.
The way it is right now it a device is upgraded and it slows down, it gets stuck on that performance level with no way out. Surely more happy customers outweigh a pretty marketing chart at the keynote.
The way it is right now it a device is upgraded and it slows down, it gets stuck on that performance level with no way out. Surely more happy customers outweigh a pretty marketing chart at the keynote.
This happens with MacOS and Windows update changes too. People learn quickly, you either take the time to learn the differences or struggle forever. The latter is almost never the case.
I haven't seen what you have seen and I have every iphone in the family since the 5s. Differing outcomes for different devices I guess.
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If "planned obsolescence" was really "a thing" why haven't I upgraded, yet, my iphone from the 6s. I now have 5 models to choose from. If I wait a year there are rumored to be more/better upgrades on the horizon and I still might not upgrade. Or I might upgrade tomorrow, I haven't yet made a decision on what I want to do.
Already answered. That strategy doesn’t need to be noticed by everyone. A small percentage is millions of users and proper optimisation is a sale lost.
By the way about your 6s. Ask TheRealDeal about his 6s on iOS 11. He has a different experience on his phone. Even a non believer like him is attaching weight to this.
That's not an answer, sorry. It's a generalization without a shred of evidence to support it. You can bet millions and millions of users worldwide are reviewing their purchase decisions of what smartphone to buy. You cannot know the motivation of an unknown person as to their decision making process. Again it's talking for the masses.
The evidence is my phone and my upgrades and those in my circle. Ask the RealDeal about his 6s on iOS 11. He is fed up with it
Stop blaming it on Apple already, when it's quite obvious that it's the Russians who are behind this! Them, and aliens.
Anecdotal to say the least. My 6s is pretty much flawless on ios 11 b4. Anecdotal sure. But that proves the point, you can't make a comment except in specific situations. You don't know about the masses based on a group of posters on a tech forum.
I am not commenting on the masses. I am saying even if it’s a small minority 10% give or take that’s a lot of users.
Probably a 100 or more users on this forums. Add hundred more based on some I know. That’s in just one city. Extrapolate the number to the entire world.
And again this planned obsolescence debate can be laid to rest if Apple enables downgrade support and security fixes for older devices. Microsoft does it with Eindows 7,8 and 10. Apple should have no problems doing it with their limited devices.
What I am seeing here is that the blame for the slow phones is being placed on luck,imagination or the user. If your phone has slowed down, it's not planned obsolescence rather you are using it wrong, you are imagining things or that the positive experience of some user invalidates the existence of the slow phone and the user just got a lemon as the sales are skyrocketing. Anything but Apple. Apple just can't do no wrong. It's perfect. No one answers the question why it has slowed down. If it's expected to slow down then why not give the user the option to go back to the OS which was working perfectly?
It's okay to get bad releases. Android and Windows had them. When I upgraded to Android Lollipop on Nexus 7 I had wifi issues and stuttering and battery drain so I downgraded back to KitKat. I also upgraded many times to check if it had been resolved. Google offers a choice. That's prioritising customer satisfaction over a marketing chart. Whenever Windows 10 is upgraded, files are retained in Windows.old folder so that if a user doesn't like a release it's very easy to restore to a previous release and try again. But say this and you will get the classic rebuttal. That's not the way Apple rolls. Switch to Android.
What happens is that by not giving this option the user is forced to wait for Apple to fix the problem or to endure a slow phone to get security fixes. My iPhone 7 Plus battery life is not as good as on iOS 10. I don't like the home button click speed. If this were Android I would be a happy camper on iOS 10 and would keep trying 11 in the interim to see if my issue were fixed and if not stay back. But I can't. This battery drain also has a negative impact on the battery health resulting in cash outflow. I was not impressed with my 6 battery which wore out after just 2 years thanks to unoptimised releases and I really hope the 7 doesnt go the same way.
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I too had a nexus 7 (2012). The Marshmallow update murdered it. Which was ironic because the device wasn't supposed to get it as it was out of its update period. Many users were surprised that Google had issued Android 5 for it.
However, the utter crippling of it by 5 heavily influenced Google's approach to future updates on the nexus devices. As far as i know, they have refused to update models which they feel cannot handle the updates.
Correctly, you state that Google allow you to choose your OS version. For my nexus, i reverted back to Kitkat which made it usable again.
For my current android device, i actually notice that android updates make the phone quicker. The change from android 5 to 6 on the samsung S6 was a revelation. It literally gave it a new lease of life. I am also enjoying 7. it is just as quick and reliable as 6.
One thing i do like about Samsung and updates is that they actually now take time to ensure the updates are reasonably bug free and this has changed my view on how updates should be. I no longer care for the latest most recent versions. I just want something stable and reliable. Samsung have really done great in this aspect.
I got my first iPhone in 2012 and I’m not seeing this “planned obsolescence” or “crippled devices.”
Sure iOS gets more demanding with every release but I’ve got a 2015 iPhone 6S in the house humming along just fine on iOS 11 with no issues on an A9 and 2GB of RAM.
The only device that’s taken a hit on iOS 11 is my iPad Mini 4 with the Apple A8 released in 2014, with 2GB of RAM and even then it still works great for the most part and battery life is still phenomenal.
My oldest son has an iPhone SE on an A9 with 2GB and he loves his phone.
So really, this whole planned obsolescence thing is about as silly as the Galaxy S6 OLED panels in the iPhone X.
Sure iOS gets more demanding with every release but I’ve got a 2015 iPhone 6S in the house humming along just fine on iOS 11 with no issues on an A9 and 2GB of RAM.
The only device that’s taken a hit on iOS 11 is my iPad Mini 4 with the Apple A8 released in 2014, with 2GB of RAM and even then it still works great for the most part and battery life is still phenomenal.
My oldest son has an iPhone SE on an A9 with 2GB and he loves his phone.
So really, this whole planned obsolescence thing is about as silly as the Galaxy S6 OLED panels in the iPhone X.
Okay for some users. A tiny percentage is statistically normal. That percentage was pulled out of the air.
Ok, seems normal to me.
Apple is doing what Apple is doing. Therefore those that believe Apple is engaging In planned obsolescence should just leave the ecosystem. I don’t understand why one would want to deal with what they believe is a shady corporation.
“Anyone who doesn’t like Apple’s questionable business practices should go spend $2000+ to leave the ecosystem”
Cost. That’s why people stay. We genuinely like Apple but this release in particular has shaken our confidence.
Yeah dump $5000 worth of hardware and leave and spend even more building it up again. Sounds like a plan. But not surprised with his response. It’s the only defence he has.
Who is “our” confidence. I like iOS 11. I hear no one complaining about iOS 11 outside of these forums. Granted it’s anecdotal, as arenthese forums...but still.
As far as cost, I would spend whatever is necessary to get out from under a corporation whose products I hated and disliked the company business practices. But that’s me.
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At least you’ll be happy with a vendor you actually like. People like to complain but never better their lot in life. And may I remind you a note 8, while expensive is still less than iPhone X...”with more tech”. Seems like money arguement is a catch all, especially to one contemplating the iPhone X.
"Our" is the new crop of Android converts or those of us frustrated with the current iOS release. And you must be very fortunate to be able to drop $3000 to replace all your devices.
Most of us simply don't have that kind of discretionary income.
With possibly hundreds of millions of customers some dissatisfied customers are to be expected. It doesn’t sound like anything Apple can do to make you a satisfied customer.
I depend on tech and if needed I would throw out all tech and start from scratch.
But I’m not sure one needs to spend $3000. Cheap windows computer $200. Second hand android phone from eBay, $400 to get started. Chrome cast $35. Not really that expensive to make one happy since people seem to citing cost as the reason.