Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[Radon87000]

Sorry, I need to be clear: you're suggesting that a slowdown initiated on purpose by Apple is such that it may not even be noticeable until several years, thus forcing people to upgrade their phones...in a timeframe commensurate with a normal upgrade cycle.

That's some master plan.

I said it depends on the person. The majority may not care about it Till it becomes an unusable phone 3 years down the line which is why Apple dont bother to optimise it because it’s not worth the cost to do so. Apple also knows that those who do notice it yearly will end up buying another iPhone so that’s more revenue. Win Win either way.

This was mentioned in Anand’s benchmark of iOS 10


“As far as tackling these problems goes, the simplest option for Apple is to just do nothing. This sounds absurd, but if you actually look at the state of the market it's a perfectly viable option. Even if you agree that iOS performance has gotten worse since iOS 6, that hasn't done anything to hurt sales of the iPhone, or to hurt iOS update rates. The iPhone gets more sales and brings in more money now than it did during the time of the iPhone 5. This raises the question of whether your average user is actually bothered by frame drops throughout the OS. Even if they do notice, it doesn't seem to pose a very significant problem. As someone who is bothered greatly by these performance issues, I would not like Apple to go this route, but I recognize it as a valid decision.”

 

[Puddled]

Let us reverse the question.

If you say the updates are not slowing iPhones down, what is?

Stay with iOS 9 if you can! iOS 10 is where my iPhone 6 started to get a bit sluggish, and it gets worse in iOS 11. Then again I have always maintained that it's the app upgrades more than the OS upgrades that slow things down. App developers add features to take advantage of newer hardware, and it can slow down the app on the older hardware.

Even thought it's a bit sluggish running iOS 11, there is a part of me that is thinking, "My iPhone is paid off, and it works adequately. Frustratingly slow at times, but as long as I'm patient it does what I need it to do. I should save my money for another year or so."

On the other hand I use my iPhone far too frequently to be frustrated by it in any way. And if I don't remember to charge it overnight and in the middle of the day, it may work at all when I need it to.

This isn't a rare post on this forum.

"I'm getting the 8/x because my 6 is slowing down..."


What it causing these phones to slow down?

Is the internet getting harder?
Is texting becoming more CPU intensive?
Is Email becoming more complex.

Because,
Lets take iPhone users at face value:

Sorry but most disagree with almost all your . points. Both handle notifications equally as well. Assistant does what I need it to. As I said most IOS users I know who have a choice to use the default apps or some other app almost always and would almost always use the default IOS apps with no issues. In other words you are flat out wrong as shown by the choices people make.

You can still use a gmail address with the mail app.

You fail to understand how the majority of the masses use their phone. Period. Photos for example. You fail to realize most simply use photos to take picture, touch up a few minor things, and either post to social media and/or text and IOS is superior when texting and pretty much the same when posting to social media.

Email app same thing. Forward, reply or send message regardless of email address.

Phone app. Make call, add party, switch to facetime, check messages. IOS is superior.

Weather - Check today, tomorrow, next day, a few hours ahead. Pretty much even.

Battery in 6 months? Not even close. IOS by a mile.

Thanks for the laugh on the browser. Samsung Browser was the worst experience I ever had on a mobile device. 6 different iphones and I have never had an issue on Safari

I didn't even cover music or videos. Better on IOS again.

The whole point is that for the power user who wants to customize you probably do have a better experience on Android. Apple is going after people more like me. Basic users who just want things to work. They do an excellent job of that. When I want to message someone I want to open up my default message app, add a few people and send a picture, video, or message with no degrading. Very simple with imessage. Without and it gets more complicated. It is why you see people remain loyal to Apple and move back to Apple. I certainly do see a migration of power users to Android and I get why.

Apple users don't stray away from the core apps and don't use much else. If nothing is changing (apart from the OS) what is going on?

 

[Radon87000]

This is the slowdown which that "proof" doesnt refute. Also note in particular how smoother the animations are on iOS 8 and how slower the third party apps are in loading on iOS 11

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Apple users don't stray away from the core apps and don't use much else.

I highly doubt this is true.

 

[mikef07]

I highly doubt this is true.

You would be wrong.

 

[KingslayerG5]

X's greatest weakness is software.

Hardware: 9/10
Software: 8/10
Overall: 8.5/10

Actually, 8/10 for iOS11 is generous. Quite a number of users loathe the update and call it the worst ever.

X's front design is good although many still can't stand the notch but the back doesn't look as interesting as the Note8 or Pixel 2 XL. X has a fairly ugly backside.

So $1000+ for another iPhone that is only graded B? And 8.5 could be a little too generous to more jaded critics.

That T-Mobile BOGO deal looks more tempting. Too bad I loathe glass backs.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

You would be wrong.

And what source do you have for this?

I'll put my money on it, that at least half of iOS users would rather set Google, Waze, HERE, or another navigation app to the default over Apple's Maps. The same with the Music app, a good percentage of users would rather make Spotify the default.

 

[Radon87000]

I highly doubt this is true.

Its not. Outside the US, Apple's services are nowhere near as good. Google Maps, Google Assistant, WhatsApp and WeChat reign supreme. Apple Music is also substituted by much better local apps. Its the reason why Android has such widespread adoption outside the US. The advantage of differentiated apps disappear. Even with browsers I use Chrome many times because it syncs with Windows which is what the majority of the planet is on including iPhone users.

 

[I7guy]

Ars Technica’s data proves what you say as false. And even on YouTube, app launch times aren’t better on iOS 11.

Using app launch times as a measure of how fast a phone is not any useful metric. A much more useful metric is how long to accomplish a given task. Additionally there is a study that supports iOS updates to not slow down iPhones. It’s on the front page....need a link?

Because what was proven is something completely unrelated to what was being disputed. If you run a Pentium on Windows 98 and then you run Windows 7 on it, it will benchmark almost the same with some margin of error. But the user experience won’t replicate it as the OS proves to be too demanding for the device to handle. The hardware scores the same. The OS is the variable which becomes more demanding.

No, it’s already been proven windows xp is faster than. Windows 10 in the pc world study.

When I bought my iPhone 6, it was a speed demon and flying through everything I threw at it. There was no keyboard lag, no 3 seconds to open basic menus etc. iOS 9 although slowed it down it wasn’t that big of a deal as it was still usable. On iOS 10 I purchased my 7 Plus and using it extensively since then but now when I use the 6 I am appalled at how it’s doing on iOS 11. It’s performing like an old lady.
When I open Safari and tap on address bar it takes a second to pop up the keyboard, then when I quickly type on it I can see they keystrokes lagging behind what i type. When I open app switcher and swipe through all apps there’s frame drops here and there.
Even when I open Messages or settings I can actually see blank icons and it takes a split second before they load

I have tried everything including a clean install as I don’t Store much data on this device but it doesn’t work

This is definitely not the device I purchased in 2014. It was never disputed that the benchmark scores will be capped so that study is useless.

Heck even on my 7 Plus when scrolling to the widgets section I am seeing frame drops which were not there on iOS 10. I can feel the device is not as fast on 11. I don’t need a benchmark to confirm it.



What I am saying is that the lack of optimisation slows down many devices and for this strategy to succeed not everyone needs to notice it. Even if a small fraction do, that’s a sale and that’s that. Why bother optimising when some customers don’t notice it and those who do will buy a new device which is a win win for costs and revenue

Not to mention it takes several years before the slow down renders devices unusable and people upgrade their devices by then any way.

This is your device, anecdotally. My 5s is flying and can get more work done in it than an iPhone 7 on iOS 10.

 

[Radon87000]

Using app launch times as a measure of how fast a phone is not any useful metric. A much more useful metric is how long to accomplish a given task. Additionally there is a study that supports iOS updates to not slow down iPhones. It’s on the front page....need a link?


No, it’s already been proven windows xp is faster than. Windows 10 in the pc world study.


This is your device, anecdotally. My 5s is flying and can get more work done in it than an iPhone 7 on iOS 10.

I am not going to bother with this crap anymore. I know what I am seeing with my device including my 7 and needless to say this study does not refute anything I am personally experiencing on my phone. Benchmarks are not the be all end all. Chrome scores the highest benchmarks on Windows but in my experience Edge nails the smoothness so that study is utterly pointless for me and many others left with a laggy phone so throw those benchmarks at me until you are blue in the face. It doesn't contradict the main point. The load times do matter as they accumulate over time over multiple iOS versions which results in a slower phone. Facebook app takes 8 seconds to load and Uber is slow as molasses on the 6.

By the way, the point was that the hardware itself will score the same in a geekbench or Futuremark be it Windows XP or Windows 10.

 

[I7guy]

I am not going to bother with this crap anymore. I know what I am seeing with my device including my 7 and needless to say this study does not refute anything I am personally experiencing on my phone. Benchmarks are not the be all end all. Chrome scores the highest benchmarks on Windows but in my experience Edge nails the smoothness so that study is utterly pointless for me and many others left with a laggy phone so throw those benchmarks at me until you are blue in the face. It doesn't contradict the main point. The load times do matter as they accumulate over time over multiple iOS versions which results in a slower phone.

By the way, the point was that the hardware itself will score the same in a geekbench or Futuremark be it Windows XP or Windows 10.

I don’t doubt you dont like the performance on your devices and believe they are crap. I have no performance issues with my devices on iOS 11. I would like the same courtesy, rather than “your not noticing it dismissal.”

The load times are irrelevant as the underlying speed of getting work done totally eclipses any millisecond delays, if any.

 

[Radon87000]

I don’t doubt you dont like the performance on your devices and believe they are crap. I have no performance issues with my devices on iOS 11. I would like the same courtesy, rather than “your not noticing it dismissal.”

The load times are irrelevant as the underlying speed of getting work done totally eclipses any millisecond delays, if any.

Because if I say you are noticing it this means you are accusing us of imagining things which I am not.


Planned Obsolescence doesn't need every device owner to notice it. A small proportion noticing and upgrading make a sale a sale and optimising iOS for older devices would result in a loss of revenue . That's all That's being said.
[doublepost=1511206671][/doublepost]Anyway i7guy if you are enjoying your,phones that's just great and I am glad for it but this does not mean our concerns are not real in any way.

 

[I7guy]

Because if I say you are noticing it this means you are accusing us of imagining things which I am not.

I never said you didn’t have issues. What is being said is because you have issues, you can’t make a generalization about speaking for the masses.

Planned Obsolescence doesn't need every device owner to notice it. A small proportion noticing and upgrading make a sale a sale and optimising iOS for older devices would result in a loss of revenue . That's all That's being said.

Putting for an opinion as fact requires proof of which nobody has been able to provide. Correlation proves causation runs rampant here. But I’m happy for Apple that they can be devious and derive more sales from a strategy that some of you are smart enough to see through.

 

[Puddled]

I never said you didn’t have issues. What is being said is because you have issues, you can’t make a generalization about speaking for the masses.


Putting for an opinion as fact requires proof of which nobody has been able to provide. Correlation proves causation runs rampant here. But I’m happy for Apple that they can be devious and derive more sales from a strategy that some of you are smart enough to see through.

Stop making excuses for Apple

 

[tbayrgs]

This argument is hilarious. A bunch if you just need to take off the tin foil hats. Some anecdotal experiences by hundreds (or even thousands to be generous) of users in online forums (I’m guessing but go ahead and count from the largest forums online if that’ll make you feel better ) out of hundreds of millions of phones doesn’t proof jack ****. Nor does a couple of handpicked YouTube videos. Nor does a Google search (seriously? I can search for absolutely any bit of nonsense and Google will provide me with the results I’m looking for ). The Apple ‘planned obsolescence’ conspiracy is just plain *********. Give it a rest already.

Devices slow down over time. My 3 year old MBP isn’t as fast as it was when I bought it, or at least it doesn’t feel like it. Same goes for my older Windows computer, older Android tablet, etc. New OS updates are designed primarily with new devices and their new hardware in mind. They’re going to slow down for any number of reasons.

I’ll agree that iOS 11 seems to be an unremarkable update from an efficiency/optimization standpoint but if you seriously think Apple intentionally designs their OS updates to cripple specific hardware, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell ya.

 

[Septembersrain]

So it was super incredibly necessary to start a new thread in which the only purpose is to crap on an OS you don't use?

Yeah, this won't devolve into Android vs iOS. And will be completely unique.

So if you do use it and crap on it?

Right now I'm all over it because Apple decided to use Intel knowing full well they cannot provide the best modems. They cripple Qualcomm while also withholding payment from them.

Why not give us the modem we know has 4x4 MIMO/256-QAM?

Let Intel work on their modems while you keep using Qualcomm to get components for that 1k+ device? Apple might disagree with how much Qualcomm are charging them but they could care less how much they charge us!

Sort it out in court, don't stiff the consumers by giving them gold plated crap. It might look good but in essence, it's still crap!

 

[I7guy]

Stop making excuses for Apple

This isn’t about excuses. It’s about seemingly one point of view. One one hand you would like to have an honest open discussion; in the other dictating how people should have opinions. That thentwo don’t jibe is an understatement.

 

[Puddled]

This argument is hilarious. A bunch if you just need to take off the tin foil hats. Some anecdotal experiences by hundreds (or even thousands to be generous) of users in online forums (I’m guessing but go ahead and count from the largest forums online if that’ll make you feel better ) out of hundreds of millions of phones doesn’t proof jack ****. Nor does a couple of handpicked YouTube videos. Nor does a Google search (seriously? I can search for absolutely any bit of nonsense and Google will provide me with the results I’m looking for ). The Apple ‘planned obsolescence’ conspiracy is just plain *********. Give it a rest already.

Devices slow down over time. My 3 year old MBP isn’t as fast as it was when I bought it, or at least it doesn’t feel like it. Same goes for my older Windows computer, older Android tablet, etc. New OS updates are designed primarily with new devices and their new hardware in mind. They’re going to slow down for any number of reasons.

I’ll agree that iOS 11 seems to be an unremarkable update from an efficiency/optimization standpoint but if you seriously think Apple intentionally designs their OS updates to cripple specific hardware, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell ya.

Seems like apple fans take some moral offence on behalf of Apple at the implied suggestion here that Apple are being somewhat sneaky because its Apple and how dare you.

I would point these people to the Apple web site and have a look at the warranty statements. You will find this:

Apple One (1) Year Limited Warranty – (UK and Ireland)

Notice they don't say device, user, buyer, product, etc?

Because it's just Apple's limited warranty, Not your true consumer rights warranty .
In Europe your warranty is TWO years.

If you dig into the text and do some math, you can figure this out for yourself, however its execution puts the intergalactic Vogon constructer fleet planning dept to shame lol.

Much the same as "its all screen" really isn't or "the toughest glass in an iphone ever" is actually meaningless advertising dribble.

Stop white knighting Apple. They are as, if not more willing and able to deceive the consumers as the competition.

 

[widgeteer]

This argument is hilarious. A bunch if you just need to take off the tin foil hats. Some anecdotal experiences by hundreds (or even thousands to be generous) of users in online forums (I’m guessing but go ahead and count from the largest forums online if that’ll make you feel better ) out of hundreds of millions of phones doesn’t proof jack ****. Nor does a couple of handpicked YouTube videos. Nor does a Google search (seriously? I can search for absolutely any bit of nonsense and Google will provide me with the results I’m looking for ). The Apple ‘planned obsolescence’ conspiracy is just plain *********. Give it a rest already.

Devices slow down over time. My 3 year old MBP isn’t as fast as it was when I bought it, or at least it doesn’t feel like it. Same goes for my older Windows computer, older Android tablet, etc. New OS updates are designed primarily with new devices and their new hardware in mind. They’re going to slow down for any number of reasons.

I’ll agree that iOS 11 seems to be an unremarkable update from an efficiency/optimization standpoint but if you seriously think Apple intentionally designs their OS updates to cripple specific hardware, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell ya.

QFT. I love that the response to the argument "You're describing anecdotal evidence" is a link to a youtube video or a forum post.

Seems like apple fans take some moral offence on behalf of Apple at the implied suggestion here that Apple are being somewhat sneaky because its Apple and how dare you.

Appeals to logic and reason isn't taking offense. You've offered up a position you have no data to back up, only specious reasoning and conjecture. You seem triggered by requests for actual evidence beyond "Some guy on a forum said something once."

 

[Puddled]

QFT. I love that the response to the argument "You're describing anecdotal evidence" is a link to a youtube video or a forum post.



Appeals to logic and reason isn't taking offense. You've offered up a position you have no data to back up, only specious reasoning and conjecture. You seem triggered by requests for actual evidence beyond "Some guy on a forum said something once."

Your crusade for hard proof is pointless. The only way you will get that is by Apple openly admitting it which isn't going to happen.

The forum has offered personal evidence, anecdotal evidence, youtube videos and the constant posts of users on this forum yet you insist that they are mistaken and that the evidence offered is not reasonable or valid.

You have an unsolvable conflict.

At this point, your insistance we are all wrong is as daft as our insistance we are all right.

 

[widgeteer]

Your crusade for hard proof is pointless. The only way you will get that is by Apple openly admitting it which isn't going to happen.

Yeah, I've picked up on that.

The forum has offered personal evidence, anecdotal evidence, youtube videos and the constant posts of users on this forum yet you insist that they are mistaken and that the evidence offered is not reasonable or valid.

Incorrect. I haven't suggested anyone who has suffered issues with their device is not suffering issues. I've taken issue with your argument that these anecdotal instances are a pattern brought about by a corporate strategy. Your response to this has been to go for the usual ad hominem of making fun of "Apple fans". You pretty much know someone is waving a white flag in one of these conversations when they resort to the personal shot.

(Also, just to help you out a little: "personal evidence" and "anecdotal evidence" are the same thing.)

At this point, your insistance we are all wrong is as daft as our insistance we are all right.

You got one half right. Stating that there is no means to prove your argument and thus it's as correct as any other isn't how this works. "I think the sun was created by a Dinosaur. We'll never know for sure so I'm right and science can be right too!"

 

[Puddled]

Thanks for the grammar lesson. Its appropriate because this discussion doesn't have much else to offer apart from decending into insults and nit picking.

Which is where it is going lol.

 

[Septembersrain]

Your crusade for hard proof is pointless. The only way you will get that is by Apple openly admitting it which isn't going to happen.

The forum has offered personal evidence, anecdotal evidence, youtube videos and the constant posts of users on this forum yet you insist that they are mistaken and that the evidence offered is not reasonable or valid.

You have an unsolvable conflict.

At this point, your insistance we are all wrong is as daft as our insistance we are all right.

They've admitted burn in can happen, they've admitted the 6s first batch battery could be bad, my Apple watch has a box coming because it's covered a year and a half later due to swollen battery.

I had a bent iPhone 6.

Apple isn't better than any other company, they are just different.

Of course if they keep on using modems that are far behind other devices, it's obvious that I won't be getting another iPhone...

 

[widgeteer]

Thanks for the grammar lesson. Its appropriate because this discussion doesn't have much else to offer apart from decending into insults and nit picking.

Which is where it is going lol.

That happens when one side of the argument begins using "Apple fans" in lieu of data.

Also, the error I corrected for you wasn't grammatical.

 

[Puddled]

That happens when one side of the argument begins using "Apple fans" in lieu of data.

Also, the error I corrected for you wasn't grammatical.

They've admitted burn in can happen, they've admitted the 6s first batch battery could be bad, my Apple watch has a box coming because it's covered a year and a half later due to swollen battery.

I had a bent iPhone 6.

Apple isn't better than any other company, they are just different.

Of course if they keep on using modems that are far behind other devices, it's obvious that I won't be getting another iPhone...

They still sell the 6.

My friend bought a new one last month because she wanted an iphone and it was the best one she could afford.

It is also now bent after less than a few weeks......