Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[widgeteer]

You didn't read my post properly and in doing so, prove my point.



Yet apple slap the same ios 11 developed for the 8 and X onto the 7.
And the 6S
And the 6.....

See whats happening?

It's a clever and subtle trick from apple.

Incorrect. You didn’t read my post clearly and thus proved my point, it was complete nonsense.

Try again.
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It always helps to mention the device you are having issues with sp the forum doesn't play "where's waldo" with what device you are referring to.

And with that said let's be clear, on your idevices the settings app takes 3 seconds to open. On my ipad 2 it takes about 3 seconds. On my 5s, instant, 6s instant, 7 instant, 6s+ instant.

Graphical effects on don't seem to make much of a difference, but I turn them off because I dislike them. If I could turn off every effect like I do in windows, I would be happy. And there is not stuttering "all over the place as you put it". Still in the same spots however, such as cellular menu.

In short, my iphones above the 5s are fine. I no longer have the 6 as that was met with a bad fate on concrete, replaced by the 7, running great on ios 11. All of my phones are running great on ios 11.

Planned Obsolescence is a reality in a lot of peoples minds. But so is the Loch Ness monster.
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Yes, I do see. I see screamingly fast benchmarks where it matters. And I see apple somehow cramming more features in to the operating system but not killing the phones performance.

Is that the "clever and subtle" trick from apple you were referring to?

He’s making up facts to support a bias. Anyone still clinging to the “Planned obsolescence” theory isn’t making a serious argument.

 

[Puddled]

Incorrect. You didn’t read my post clearly and thus proved my point, it was complete nonsense.

Try again.
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He’s making up facts to support a bias. Anyone still clinging to the “Planned obsolescence” theory isn’t making a serious argument.

Ah ha! The old Switcharoo!

"It's not me talking bollox, its you so there! "


I'd offer a proper reply , but your last comment shows that you are only interested in your own views and not those of others

 

[Michael Goff]

Anyone who thinks iOS 11 proves planned obsolescence should realize it’s just a bad update. As in the 8+ on launch was slower than the 7+ when I stopped using that one about six to eight months prior to that.

 

[widgeteer]

Ah ha! The old Switcharoo!

"It's not me talking bollox, its you so there! "


I'd offer a proper reply , but your last comment shows that you are only interested in your own views and not those of others

You're arguing that a company that supports 4 year old devices engages in planned obsolescence.

I'm not the reason you can't offer a proper reply.

 

[Puddled]

You're arguing that a company that supports 4 year old devices engages in planned obsolescence.

I'm not the reason you can't offer a proper reply.

Again, and i know you won't accept anything else than your own opinion, you have not read my or anyone elses post properly.

How can planned obsolescence be, without targeting older devices? Thats the whole point of the argument!

Anyway, lets agree to disagree. There isn't much useful discussion going on regarding this anyway. You have your views, others have thiers.

 

[widgeteer]

Again, and i know you won't accept anything else than your own opinion, you have not read my or anyone elses post properly.

How can planned obsolescence be, without targeting older devices? Thats the whole point of the argument!

Anyway, lets agree to disagree. There isn't much useful discussion going on regarding this anyway. You have your views, others have thiers.

Oh. They target older devices by *supporting* them.

Yeah, you probably should stop here. We agree on that.

 

[AustinIllini]

Anyone who thinks iOS 11 proves planned obsolescence should realize it’s just a bad update. As in the 8+ on launch was slower than the 7+ when I stopped using that one about six to eight months prior to that.

It's a bad update, but every year there are complaints that iOS is running slower on older devices. Apple clearly does minimal testing on previous devices.

 

[jamezr]

Except that this very recent study proved this untrue and that it’s a generally a false perception by users.

But then we have enough people with firsthand experience that says otherwise. I have had it happen to me enough times to say it is a thing.

 

[Radon87000]

You're arguing that a company that supports 4 year old devices engages in planned obsolescence.

I'm not the reason you can't offer a proper reply.

It’s not support. The devices are slowed down. If there was a way to receive security updates on older versions of iOS and the ability to downgrade iOS to any version that would be proper support.

I own an iPhone 6 and it’s a very slow experience trying to use it as a daily driver. And I am not talking apps. Basic OS functions like the keyboard have lag.

 

[widgeteer]

It’s not support. The devices are slowed down. If there was a way to receive security updates on older versions of iOS and the ability to downgrade iOS to any version that would be proper support.

I own an iPhone 6 and it’s a very slow experience trying to use it as a daily driver. And I am not talking apps. Basic OS functions like the keyboard have lag.

There have been just as many anecdotal accounts of phones running better on OS updates. Too many people here think anecdotal stories are "proof' of a pattern. Apple routinely scores extraordinarily high marks in customer satisfaction. That would not be the case if they were regularly Nerfing their own software every year.

 

[I7guy]

But then we have enough people with firsthand experience that says otherwise. I have had it happen to me enough times to say it is a thing.

It’s not support. The devices are slowed down. If there was a way to receive security updates on older versions of iOS and the ability to downgrade iOS to any version that would be proper support.

I own an iPhone 6 and it’s a very slow experience trying to use it as a daily driver. And I am not talking apps. Basic OS functions like the keyboard have lag.

Also enough people with first hand experience saying devices aren’t slowed down. My 5s for example, is better on iOS 11 than the operating system I bought it with; which was iOS 7. And iOS 11!hasn’t slowed my 5s down in any meaningful way a user could measure.

 

[Puddled]

Oh. They target older devices by *supporting* them.

Yeah, you probably should stop here. We agree on that.

I did.

Or must you have the last word?

 

[Radon87000]

Also enough people with first hand experience saying devices aren’t slowed down. My 5s for example, is better on iOS 11 than the operating system I bought it with; which was iOS 7. And iOS 11!hasn’t slowed my 5s down in any meaningful way a user could measure.

It doesn’t need to work on everyone. Every person who notices it, their strategy works. More revenue generation.

 

[I7guy]

It doesn’t need to work on everyone. Every person who notices it, their strategy works. More revenue generation.

What strategy?

 

[jamezr]

It doesn’t need to work on everyone. Every person who notices it, their strategy works. More revenue generation.

Then there are enough data out there....google searches for slowed IOS devices skyrockets/spikes after every big IOS release.

 

[Radon87000]

What strategy?

They do not optimise the newer iOS for older devices. As a result this creates some slowdown yearly. Whether this is noticeable by everyone or not is a different matter. It’s possible majority of people out in the real world don’t notice it. But they don’t need to.
One person buying a new phone because of it is one more phone sold. Any person who does is likely to buy a new phone, usually an iPhone as people are reluctant to switch ecosystems rapidly and use something completely new.

My iPhone 6 is definitely not as a fast as it was on iOS 8(Not even close actually) and I won’t bother replying if you continue to state it is.

 

[Michael Goff]

It's a bad update, but every year there are complaints that iOS is running slower on older devices. Apple clearly does minimal testing on previous devices.

People don't normally complain about performance on current year devices, though. This year they are. iOS 11 was slower on an iPhone 8+ on release with worse battery life than a 7+ on release with 10.

 

[AustinIllini]

People don't normally complain about performance on current year devices, though. This year they are. iOS 11 was slower on an iPhone 8+ on release with worse battery life than a 7+ on release with 10.

Right. iOS 11 is a major blunder.

 

[Radon87000]

People don't normally complain about performance on current year devices, though. This year they are. iOS 11 was slower on an iPhone 8+ on release with worse battery life than a 7+ on release with 10.

True. This year iOS 11 is a truly shoddy release. The RAM Management even on 11.1 is very bad. iPhone X should have been given 4GB of RAM because iOS 11 needs it. My 7 Plus battery life is also deteriorated on this release.

The 8 Plus lasts longer than 7 Plus on iOS 11.1 but the same as 7 Plus on iOS 10 on 11.1.

 

[Michael Goff]

True. This year iOS 11 is a truly shoddy release. The RAM Management even on 11.1 is very bad. iPhone X should have been given 4GB of RAM because iOS 11 needs it. My 7 Plus battery life is also deteriorated on this release.

The battery life part is wrong though. The 8 Plus lasts longer than 7 Plus

I was comparing the 7+ on release (10.0) to the 8+ (11.0). Same things I did resulted in lower battery percentage at the end of the day until 11.1 came out.

 

[Radon87000]

I was comparing the 7+ on release (10.0) to the 8+ (11.0). Same things I did resulted in lower battery percentage at the end of the day until 11.1 came out.

Yeah my bad. I just edited my post on rereading

 

[Michael Goff]

Yeah my bad. I just edited my post on rereading

It's all cool. I can't tell you how many times I've done that sort of thing here and in real life. Well, less rereading in real life and more having them repeat it because I misheard.

I'm hoping iOS 12 is a giant bugfix. Then again, I'm really liking my 2XL.

 

[I7guy]

They do not optimise the newer iOS for older devices. As a result this creates some slowdown yearly. Whether this is noticeable by everyone or not is a different matter. It’s possible majority of people out in the real world don’t notice it. But they don’t need to.
One person buying a new phone because of it is one more phone sold. Any person who does is likely to buy a new phone, usually an iPhone as people are reluctant to switch ecosystems rapidly and use something completely new.

My iPhone 6 is definitely not as a fast as it was on iOS 8(Not even close actually) and I won’t bother replying if you continue to state it is.

Then How would you explain iOS 11 operating faster on my 5s then iOS 10 if it wasn’t more optimized than iOS 10?

It’s not only whether it’s noticable or not, but whether people are seeing things that simply aren’t there. It’s possible a lot of people believe their devices are slowed down, but a study proves they are not. You can’t prove beyond your circle how or why a person might have bought a phone. But of course if someone does buy an iPhone for whatever reason Apple wins.

 

[Radon87000]

Then How would you explain iOS 11 operating faster on my 5s then iOS 10 if it wasn’t more optimized than iOS 10?

Ars Technica’s data proves what you say as false. And even on YouTube, app launch times aren’t better on iOS 11.

It’s not only whether it’s noticable or not, but whether people are seeing things that simply aren’t there. It’s possible a lot of people believe their devices are slowed down, but a study proves they are not.

Because what was proven is something completely unrelated to what was being disputed. If you run a Pentium on Windows 98 and then you run Windows 7 on it, it will benchmark almost the same with some margin of error. But the user experience won’t replicate it as the OS proves to be too demanding for the device to handle. The hardware scores the same. The OS is the variable which becomes more demanding.

When I bought my iPhone 6, it was a speed demon and flying through everything I threw at it. There was no keyboard lag, no 3 seconds to open basic menus etc. iOS 9 although slowed it down it wasn’t that big of a deal as it was still usable. On iOS 10 I purchased my 7 Plus and using it extensively since then but now when I use the 6 I am appalled at how it’s doing on iOS 11. It’s performing like an old lady.
When I open Safari and tap on address bar it takes a second to pop up the keyboard, then when I quickly type on it I can see they keystrokes lagging behind what i type. When I open app switcher and swipe through all apps there’s frame drops here and there.
Even when I open Messages or settings I can actually see blank icons and it takes a split second before they load

I have tried everything including a clean install as I don’t Store much data on this device but it doesn’t work

This is definitely not the device I purchased in 2014. It was never disputed that the benchmark scores will be capped so that study is useless.

Heck even on my 7 Plus when scrolling to the widgets section I am seeing frame drops which were not there on iOS 10. I can feel the device is not as fast on 11. I don’t need a benchmark to confirm it.

You can’t prove beyond your circle how or why a person might have bought a phone. But of course if someone does buy an iPhone for whatever reason Apple wins.

What I am saying is that the lack of optimisation slows down many devices and for this strategy to succeed not everyone needs to notice it. Even if a small fraction do, that’s a sale and that’s that. Why bother optimising when some customers don’t notice it and those who do will buy a new device which is a win win for costs and revenue

Not to mention it takes several years before the slow down renders devices unusable and people upgrade their devices by then any way.

 

[widgeteer]

What I am saying is that the lack of optimisation slows down many devices and for this strategy to succeed not everyone needs to notice it. Even if a small fraction do, that’s a sale and that’s that.

Not to mention it takes several years before the slow down renders devices unusable and people upgrade their devices by then any way.

Sorry, I need to be clear: you're suggesting that a slowdown initiated on purpose by Apple is such that it may not even be noticeable until several years, thus forcing people to upgrade their phones...in a timeframe commensurate with a normal upgrade cycle.

That's some master plan.