Phones iPhone X: An Apple User’s Crisis of Identity

[nviz22]

Anyone that’s been here for a while would know my preference tend to align with Apple’s hardware and software but even I’ll admit you could quite easily replace Samsung with Apple in your statement and it seems to be a spot on description for recent events. IOS 11 has been a bit of a cluster****, requiring quite a few .x updates to deal with any number of bugs, affecting battery life of all versions of devices prior to the iPhones 8 and X, with widespread reports of users 6 and 6s grinding to a near halt in speed since being updated. I’ve seen quite a few iPhone 6/6s owners complain how iOS 11 has basically made their devices unenjoyable to use.

Add to it some early reports of inconsistent displays on the iPhone X and now cold weather performance deficiencies and Apple really isn’t separating themselves from the rest of its competition of late.

But at the same time, Apple at least controls the hardware and software side of things. That means no pesky carriers, no need to worry about too many parties being involved in the update process, and people can get support quicker/easier with an Apple Store than most other OEMs. Google controls software and hardware, but there is no readily accessible Google Store to visit.

Samsung is required to go through carriers, must go through Qualcomm (in Snapdragon models), haven't used the new Project Treble feature yet, just beta testing Oreo on the S8 and S8+, will not patch things as quick, and will also not support devices consistently because a S7 could get an update before the Note 8. It has happened before where a Note update is behind a regular S device or an older Galaxy device gets updated before the newest flagship.

Every major manufacturer is going through a **** show now. Google with the Pixel XL 2, LG with the V30, Samsung with the Galaxy Note 8, etc.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

haven't used the new Project Treble feature yet, just beta testing Oreo on the S8 and S8+,

Project Treble starts with Oreo and up. So it will be Oreo to Android P (hopefully Pizza). Not Nougat to Oreo.

 

[Tig Bitties]

Talk about Google just not having their **** together; read the comments too

Be careful trading phones into google

https://m.androidcentral.com/lots-people-are-having-trouble-google-stores-trade-program

 

[mib1800]

But at the same time, Apple at least controls the hardware and software side of things. That means no pesky carriers, no need to worry about too many parties being involved in the update process, and people can get support quicker/easier with an Apple Store than most other OEMs. Google controls software and hardware, but there is no readily accessible Google Store to visit.

Samsung is required to go through carriers, must go through Qualcomm (in Snapdragon models), haven't used the new Project Treble feature yet, just beta testing Oreo on the S8 and S8+, will not patch things as quick, and will also not support devices consistently because a S7 could get an update before the Note 8. It has happened before where a Note update is behind a regular S device or an older Galaxy device gets updated before the newest flagship.

Every major manufacturer is going through a **** show now. Google with the Pixel XL 2, LG with the V30, Samsung with the Galaxy Note 8, etc.

Nowadays most of any carrier bloatware can be disabled/unistalled if you are not using them. This is just a non-issue.

Updates importance are also over-rated. Only iphone fans use this reason (due to lack of others) when they want to counter Android advantages. There are who knows how many undiscovered bugs/holes in both iOS and Android. With every update, you may introduce more of them while fixing previous ones. There may be hundreds of these undiscovered bugs/holes and every update maybe a few of them are patched. So what's the big deal here. It is an ongoing process. Chances of typical users being hit by any one of them (discovered or undiscovered bugs) I would say similar on both iOS and Android.

 

[Michael Goff]

Nowadays most of any carrier bloatware can be disabled/unistalled if you are not using them. This is just a non-issue.

Updates importance are also over-rated. Only iphone fans use this reason (due to lack of others) when they want to counter Android advantages. There are who knows how many undiscovered bugs/holes in both iOS and Android. With every update, you may introduce more of them while fixing previous ones. There may be hundreds of these undiscovered bugs/holes and every update maybe a few of them are patched. So what's the big deal here. It is an ongoing process. Chances of typical users being hit by any one of them (discovered or undiscovered bugs) I would say similar on both iOS and Android.

Are you serious? Updates are not overrated. Neither version updates or monthly security patches are overrated.

 

[mib1800]

Are you serious? Updates are not overrated. Neither version updates or monthly security patches are overrated.

Android users numbered many times all iphone users are not having the "latest" update but there were no major issues for the last 10 years. Have you read of millions of accounts being hacked and billions of dollars stolen on Android? No. Or being hacked and your most intimate photos being posted? No. But it happened on Iphone. So the supposedly better iphone which gets updates "on time" still got hacked.

So tell me why is it not over-rated?

 

[decafjava]

Android users numbered many times all iphone users are not having the "latest" update but there were no major issues for the last 10 years. Have you read of millions of accounts being hacked and billions of dollars stolen on Android? No. Or being hacked and your most intimate photos being posted? No. But it happened on Iphone. So the supposedly better iphone which gets updates "on time" still got hacked.

So tell me why is it not over-rated?

What millions of accounts and billions of dollars stolen on ios??

The iCloud thing was shown to be not a hack but someone who obtained the passwords of the celebrities in question using old fashioned methods to get access to private photos.

https://www.inverse.com/article/129...ker-stole-hundreds-of-celebrities-nude-photos

https://arstechnica.com/information...-lawrence-can-teach-you-about-cloud-security/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...appening-apple-nude-photo-leaks/#30249cfc75b3

What initially was thought to be sophisticated hacking was simple phishing, I believe I heard persons in the entourage of said celebrities may have leaked either pics or passwords.

Recent hacks like the Krack WPA2 wifi vulnerability were patched by Apple, Android too but pretty sure a lot of Android devices never saw the update.

 

[mib1800]

What millions of accounts and billions of dollars stolen on ios??

The iCloud thing was shown to be not a hack but someone who obtained the passwords of the celebrities in question using old fashioned methods to get access to private photos.

https://www.inverse.com/article/129...ker-stole-hundreds-of-celebrities-nude-photos

https://arstechnica.com/information...-lawrence-can-teach-you-about-cloud-security/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...appening-apple-nude-photo-leaks/#30249cfc75b3

What initially was thought to be sophisticated hacking was simple phishing, I believe I heard persons in the entourage of said celebrities may have leaked either pics or passwords.

Recent hacks like the Krack WPA2 wifi vulnerability were patched by Apple, Android too but pretty sure a lot of Android devices never saw the update.

If android users are scared and having sleepness nights that they are not getting updates, then you would expect mass exodus to iPhone. Nope, that's not happening. In fact, iPhone is the one that is losing market share.

Liked I said it is just ifans making a mountain out of a molehill in order to self console themselves that getting timely updates is a critical factor in choosing iPhone.

To the rest of millions using android life goes on...and they look on with cynical amusement when iPhone got hacked or when updates create havoc to iPhone users.

 

[Puddled]

Th opposite it quite true. iphone users hate updates. Much like many won't use the FP scanner, not everything Apple does is blindly followed by iPhone users. My Partner gladly goes through the life of her iPhone without updating, only doing so with a new phone.

For Android, updates are (IMHO) massively misunderstood. Forget Timing. Seriously, it really is a case of apples and oranges. Apple does have the advantage of single source, which android needs to improve for the security patches, but most key updates to Android are done via the play store. I actually like that Samsung do NOT rush updates. they de-bug them and do beta's to ensure the releases are smooth and clean running. If i could change something about Android updates, it would be that the manufacturers provide 3 full years of updates from the date of manufacture (not release) and that should include android issuing final release of each major android version.

 

[FFR]

Are you serious? Updates are not overrated. Neither version updates or monthly security patches are overrated.

He will say anything to fit his narrative.
Dont waste your time.

 

[widgeteer]

If android users are scared and having sleepness nights that they are not getting updates, then you would expect mass exodus to iPhone. Nope, that's not happening. In fact, iPhone is the one that is losing market share.

Liked I said it is just ifans making a mountain out of a molehill in order to self console themselves that getting timely updates is a critical factor in choosing iPhone.

To the rest of millions using android life goes on...and they look on with cynical amusement when iPhone got hacked or when updates create havoc to iPhone users.

Talk about outdated arguments. The reason Android has always had a larger market share is because it’s a FREE OS slapped on everything from phones to reading tablets. Hardware ranging from the cheapest garbage to premium handsets.

You guys keep bringing this up as though there was a referendum on OS’s and the planet voted Android.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Are you serious? Updates are not overrated. Neither version updates or monthly security patches are overrated.

I would say the time expectancy is overrated. And waiting for updates hasn't crippled any devices. Does this mean I'm perfectly fine with untimely Android updates? NO, but some turn it into a much bigger deal than it is.

 

[jamezr]

I would say the time expectancy is overrated. And waiting for updates hasn't crippled any devices. Does this mean I'm perfectly fine with untimely Android updates? NO, but some turn it into a much bigger deal than it is.

yep.....i am all for timely updates too. But then what am I missing? Security patches should be pushed out expediently of course on the Android side of the fence.
But who's to say Apple is doing the same thing in pushing out security updates? Who tracks this? Apple?

Android core apps are updated through the Playstore so there is no loss of app functionality or security for those apps as they are updated and pushed out for everyone.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

yep.....i am all for timely updates too. But then what am I missing? Security patches should be pushed out expediently of course on the Android side of the fence.
But who's to say Apple is doing the same thing in pushing out security updates? Who tracks this? Apple?

Android core apps are updated through the Playstore so there is no loss of app functionality or security for those apps as they are updated and pushed out for everyone.

I personally think labeling security patches with the month included, is driving people crazy. A version number would have been good enough.

 

[jamezr]

I personally think labeling security patches with the month included, is driving people crazy. A version number would have been good enough.

I agree with that idea...
But who is to say Apple is puching out any kind of security updates? According to this article last yeat there were just as many IOS security threats as Android. I don't get monthly security updates from Apple

https://www.computerworld.com/artic.../android-vs-ios-security-which-is-better.html

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I agree with that idea...
But who is to say Apple is puching out any kind of security updates? According to this article last yeat there were just as many IOS security threats as Android. I don't get monthly security updates from Apple

https://www.computerworld.com/artic.../android-vs-ios-security-which-is-better.html

This is true. iOS does not get monthly updates. After a full version update Apple will throw out two or three small updates to resolve initial issues, but after that the small updates are sporadic or after an issue become large enough news.

 

[I7guy]

I agree with that idea...
But who is to say Apple is puching out any kind of security updates? According to this article last yeat there were just as many IOS security threats as Android. I don't get monthly security updates from Apple

https://www.computerworld.com/artic.../android-vs-ios-security-which-is-better.html

Cve not only reports the vulnerability but analyzed the criticality and severity. One could decide for themselves how many red boxes there are for each o/s.

 

[jamezr]

This is true. iOS does not get monthly updates. After a full version update Apple will throw out two or three small updates to resolve initial issues, but after that the small updates are sporadic or after an issue become large enough news.

Exactly.....I don't get monthly security updates for my IOS devices.

 

[spriter]

Exactly.....I don't get monthly security updates for my IOS devices.

I think the difference is that promised/implied monthly updates, by name or from historical provision, causes confusion and concern.

I’m not expecting my X or iPad to receive specific updates as they just arrive seemingly whenever. I see the red dot and update.

By contrast, my OG Pixel seems to get them timely - for the most part - judging by the month they are referenced to.

And then there’s my wife’s Note8 which still shows August as the latest patch. Is it a cause for concern? Probably not. But the naming convention suggests her Note8 is potentially missing some kind of protection whereas my Pixel is ‘fine’ and my X, well, I don’t think about it.

Drop the monthly naming scheme. Then there’s les issue if you under deliver. Unless it really is an important security patch

 

[jamezr]

I think the difference is that promised/implied monthly updates, by name or from historical provision, causes confusion and concern.

I’m not expecting my X or iPad to receive specific updates as they just arrive seemingly whenever. I see the red dot and update.

By contrast, my OG Pixel seems to get them timely - for the most part - judging by the month they are referenced to.

And then there’s my wife’s Note8 which still shows August as the latest patch. Is it a cause for concern? Probably not. But the naming convention suggests her Note8 is potentially missing some kind of protection whereas my Pixel is ‘fine’ and my X, well, I don’t think about it.

Drop the monthly naming scheme. Then there’s les issue if you under deliver. Unless it really is an important security patch

very well said....

 

[convergent]

yep.....i am all for timely updates too. But then what am I missing? Security patches should be pushed out expediently of course on the Android side of the fence.
But who's to say Apple is doing the same thing in pushing out security updates? Who tracks this? Apple?

Android core apps are updated through the Playstore so there is no loss of app functionality or security for those apps as they are updated and pushed out for everyone.

This is a very good point.

I don't really care if I get immediate access to software updates if the software is stable and not buggy. Most of the new features Apple has added have been of little interest and often slow down older phones. I've tried to not have them install and Apple annoys you to no end if you don't install them. You either update or they drive you crazy about it.

Security updates are important to be timely.

I have not seen any reports of huge security breaches on phones so I don't think either platform is proven to be more or less secure at this point. Most of the security problems are from people being fooled.

 

[widgeteer]

yep.....i am all for timely updates too. But then what am I missing? Security patches should be pushed out expediently of course on the Android side of the fence.
But who's to say Apple is doing the same thing in pushing out security updates? Who tracks this? Apple?

Android core apps are updated through the Playstore so there is no loss of app functionality or security for those apps as they are updated and pushed out for everyone.

The biggest consternation with Android updates is probably tied to the yearly OS update more than anything else. Because it seems any skinned device, which is most of them, get the latest iteration of the OS months after its released, updates becomes a thing. Whereas every iOS owner gets the new OS every year, same time.

That is an advantage to iOS *if* you care about getting the latest version of the OS when it's available. If you don't like iOS, and you love Android, it shouldn't matter. Or get a Pixel.

 

[jamezr]

The biggest consternation with Android updates is probably tied to the yearly OS update more than anything else. Because it seems any skinned device, which is most of them, get the latest iteration of the OS months after its released, updates becomes a thing. Whereas every iOS owner gets the new OS every year, same time.

That is an advantage to iOS *if* you care about getting the latest version of the OS when it's available. If you don't like iOS, and you love Android, it shouldn't matter. Or get a Pixel.

Oh I agree with most of what you said.....Most of the Android core apps are updated through the Playstore so they are OS upgrade agnostic if you will.
Google publishes the security bulletins and what is being patched monthly.
Apple doesn't do this....
When vulnerabilities are found Apple usually doesn't address those issues right away....they just patch then during their normal cycles.

 

[widgeteer]

Oh I agree with most of what you said.....Most of the Android core apps are updated through the Playstore so they are OS upgrade agnostic if you will.
Google publishes the security bulletins and what is being patched monthly.
Apple doesn't do this....
When vulnerabilities are found Apple usually doesn't address those issues right away....they just patch then during their normal cycles.

I don't know if the nature of the security threats to iOS are the same as Android. Apple seems to respond pretty quickly to anything considered immediate or grave. Due to Android's very nature, and the fact that so many devices in the wild run old(er) versions of the OS, I'm guessing the nature and impact of the security threats to ANdroid require immediate upkeep.

I've said this before though: I don't know why most of the folks posting here really care about OS upgrades. They seem to buy new devices every year, if not every few months.

 

[convergent]

I've said this before though: I don't know why most of the folks posting here really care about OS upgrades. They seem to buy new devices every year, if not every few months.

Because it gives people something to complain about! And, the uncertainty of updates for whatever reason is a weakness of Android vs. iOS. I don't see that changing anytime soon.