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iPhone X Iphone x not really happy with it.....
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The gloves refer to your statement about faceid not working if you cover your face with a ski mask. Your comment is just as ridiculous and I was pointing that out
It's the online extreme opinion factor....no point responding to these people. Much like Apple/Android fanbois.
If you are skiing in a mask, aren't you wearing gloves too? So you either have to remove your ski mask for FaceID, or your glove for TouchID. Perhaps removing a glove is easier in that situation, but most of us wear gloves far more often than we wear masks.
There are clearly areas where TouchID is better, but you can turn that around and say there are clearly areas where FaceID is better. Both options have their limitations, but overall I don't find one to be more reliable than the other. I use both all day every day (iPhone X and iPad Pro), and personally I find FaceID to be more convenient and seamless. For example: Every time I launch a secure app on my iPad, it takes me a beat to remember I have to touch the home button with my thumb. I'm so used to secure apps just opening without me having to do anything (because FaceID), not to mention the gestures, that the home button and TouchID just feel cumbersome to me now.
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You might want to give it some time, and consider why FaceID isn't work for you when it fails. Is it because your face is half obscured by a pillow? Are you looking at your phone from a significant angle? If it's just not recognizing you with glasses or some other minor change, just enter your passcode. The machine learning will add the information to the FaceID database and it will improve (Every time you reset FaceID you are wiping out that history). After the first week or so mine started to recognize me with or without glasses/sunglasses and with/without hats or a bike helmet. I alternate between FaceID and TouchID all day (iPhone X and iPad Pro). In my experience they both work equally well, but they both have their limitations. In my opinion FaceID feels more convenient, faster, seamless, fluid... especially combined with the gesture driven interface rather than the home button.
The iPhone 8 is a nice phone, and I agree that the iPhone X display isn't significantly better, or it's not better in ways that matter to most people. The displays on the 6/7/8 have some advantages over OLED as well, so it's not a case where one type of display is clearly better than the other. Going between my iPhone X and my iPad Pro, I don't notice that one looks better than the other. I just notice when one has more finger smudges than the other and I'm reminded to clean all my screens.
The big advantage of the iPhone X for me is the camera system. The iPhone 8 Plus is almost as good in this regard (the iPhone X has a slight edge that will only matter in a few situations... if it matters at all). The 8 Plus is just too big for me, so I value the X because I get dual cameras in a smaller iPhone.
The reason I say give it some time is because I believe FaceID negativity is mostly due to the fact that people aren't used to it. They are so used to TouchID that they now overlook its flaws, and they've learned to modify their behavior to avoid TouchID pitfalls. It doesn't take long to learn to avoid the FaceID pitfalls. Another reason people are hard on FaceID is because it's less noticeable when it works and that makes it more noticeable when it doesn't.
I’m sorry but simply saying ‘just enter your passcode’ when Face ID fails because you wear glasses is a failure of Face ID, and a very very very clear example of how Touch ID is superior, also the same with your head being in a pillow, instead of just picking the phone up and unlocking it with one action, your solution is just enter a passcode or lift yourself up of the pillow.
Yeah those examples only serve to highlight the benefits of Touch ID and the flaws of Face ID.
However having said that I understand it is supposed to build up a record of your face. But some people on here have claimed it’s still not as good, some claim it is??
I’ve yet to try out FaceID as you can’t in a store really, but I’ve been using Touch ID2 for a long time now.
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The 9.7” iPad Pro only has the first gen and slower Touch ID, so if it’s faster then a phone with the faster second gen Touch ID will be faster still in your tests using your results given.
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Touch ID on the back isn't good IMO. On a flat surface you have to pick up your phone each time. On a charging stand you have to remove your phone from the dock, etc. Face ID will get better in future hardware updates. It leaves a lot to be desired now.
I also agree it's too heavy and large.
A lot of 4.7" iPhone users are not crazy about the 8 because it looks the same. However the addition of dual speakers and wireless charging is a huge deal. If I were you I would sell your X and get the 8. The new iPhone's this fall will not be any smaller/lighter than what we have now, and who knows if Face ID gets better by fall in a new iPhone.
No, it is not. And you are completely incorrect. Face ID is not necessarily a failure because of the glasses, it’s because some glasses have an opaque lens that does not allow the IR to penetrate past through the coating on the glasses itself. The issue is solely due to the amount of infrared coating on certain lenses, It’s _NOT_ a result of Face ID failing, its direct result of a prohibitive measure due to the IR variability on the lens allowing light to pass through.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/15/i...answers-some-burning-questions-about-face-id/
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I wear both glasses and sunglasses (prescription). FaceID works every single time whether I’m wearing them or not. I set it up while wearing my glasses, so I just had to enter my passcode the first time or two I tried to unlock without my glasses. I never had to train it to recognize my sunglasses, or my hats, or my bike helmet. If the only time I had to enter my passcode for glasses or no glasses was 4 months ago when I first set it up, how is that a failure of FaceID? If it requires seeing more than half your face, how is that a failure any more than TouchID failing when your fingers are the slightest bit wet or sweaty, or when you don’t have your thumb or finger square on the home button? These failures you speak of are known design limitations. FaceID needs to see most of your Face (works in the dark as well), and TouchID needs an exposed and dry finger on the button. TouchID requires you to set up multiple fingers and thumbs if you want to unlock the phone using different grips. I never could get it to work with my left thumb. FaceID doesn’t care how I’m holding the phone as long as it’s not an extreme angle. I need to be looking at it though.
This poll shows most iPhone X users who responded are satisfied with FaceID and the home-buttonless interface. That aligns with other smaller polls I’ve seen elsewhere (including on this forum). I have yet to see any poll that shows more than a very small percentage of users are unsatisfied with FaceID. The complaints I have read on this forum are from people who don’t own the iPhone X, people making a judgement before they get used to it, or people who sound like they have a hardware problem but have not contacted Apple for support.
If you haven’t tried it, I can see how it might be hard to believe that it’s just as good or even better. I never want to go back to TouchID, and many other X users agree with me. If they can build both into a future device it would make everyone happy, but I don’t think Apple will do that.
Fair enough, but I helped my mother set up her iPhone 8 Plus and did not witness her unlocking her phone or apps any faster than I can with my devices. Seems like the limiting factor is app launching time. To say one is faster than the other is splitting hairs. Both are very good ways to unlock your phone and secure apps, but both have their limitations. For me the big advantage of FaceID is ditching the home button. Once you get away from it, the home button just seems clunky. Sure it’s easy to put your thumb or finger on a button countless times per day, but FaceID just works without any user input. It makes the interface of the X feel much more fluid as you unlock your iPhone and move around the interface with gestures. That said I’m not sure it’s ideal for everyone. The home button offers a lot of comfort to people who are not tech savvy. That’s why I have advised some to purchase the 7 or 8 instead of the X.
Many say a Touch ID is faster because it’s one action. You would need raised to wake turned on to ge a similar thing with Face ID.
Face ID is a fail compared to Touch ID if it can’t work in the same situations, otherwise it’s going backwards. Also as I understand it when you put your passcode in the phone is supposed to learn the image it was trying to scan.
I Could make the opposing argument that touch ID fails in areas compared to where Face ID succeeds that Touch ID was not always consistent either. The argument goes both ways, because they are both _two different_ types of biometric security. They do NOT have to be perfect or necessarily compared to each other to serve their core functionality in what they both exceed at.
Nowhere near enough.
Face ID will never be as secure as Touch ID because nobody in the world has the same fingerprints, not even identical twins.
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From Apple
“The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID).”
From Apple
“The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID).”
From “Life”
Check out the many news articles on this subject and also posts from forum members. More people are able to unlock other people’s phones than Apple ever expected.
In some cases, these people hardly look alike to the human eye.
And the one in 50,000 figure is absolute rubbish, there are Articles on that as well
Apple needed to find some way of marketing an inferior technology to the masses.
Why just take Apple’s word for things? Go out and do some research.
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- Do many really say TouchID is faster? Do you have any stats on that? Even if true, is one faster than the other in any significant way?
- Raise to wake is on by default. If raise to wake is disabled, you tap screen (anywhere) and swipe up for home screen as opposed to simply raising your phone and swiping up to go to home screen. If someone decides to disable a default feature, that’s their choice to add the extra step.
- I don’t follow your logic regarding going backwards. FaceID works in some situations where TouchID fails. The opposite is also true. In my opinion you gain more than you lose by moving from TouchID to FaceID.
- You misunderstand the way FaceID machine learning works. It won’t just learn any image it was trying to scan. It will only add new information if the face before it is mostly a match and the correct passcode is entered. FaceID uses depth information gathered by the dot projector, so a photograph of your face will not work.
Even if Apple has overestimated the security of FaceID, I don’t see how this is an issue for the average person even if the odds were as good as 1 in a thousand that someone else could unlock your phone. How often does somebody else even get the opportunity to access your smartphone? Even at home most people don't spend much time more than a few feet away from their smartphone. If your iPhone gets stolen, what are the odds the thief will be a good match, or that they will have access to the tools and expertise to hack it before you have wiped it remotely? TouchID has been hacked as well, and so has every other form of authentication. This is why authentication methods are being continually improved, and why some systems require multi factor. Still, even an imperfect form of authentication is secure enough in most situations. If you have a twin, or even a non-twin family member who is able to unlock your iPhone that makes you an edge case. It is far more likely that a family member will learn your actual passcode because people tend to be sloppy about hiding such things... especially around family.
It should also be noted that the passcode will be required if the iPhone has been restarted, remote locked or flagged as lost, hasn’t been unlocked in 48 hours, has had emergency SOS initiated, or has had five failed FaceID attempts.
For most people security only needs to be good enough, and in most situations that don’t involve FaceID or your smartphone the service provider has favored convenience over security and privacy to degrees that cause me far greater concern than FaceID does.
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Is this process actually documented? In my experience faceid has not got any better from the day I first got it especially in non ideal lighting conditions.
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It's been a while but can't you unlock your iphone in your pocket if you wanted way before you even look at your phone vs having to make sure your iphone is in the ideal distance from your face and in ideal lighting conditions before you'd get a successful face scan?
For me, when my fingers are dry and fairly clean, I rarely got a failed finger scan.
Do you have a X, who cares it’s getting old hat, they both have for and against. I prefer not having a home button to push, that’s backwards imo.
To each their own I guess. I've owned every iPhone and I think this is by far the best one they have ever made. My brother decided he wanted the iPhone 8 Plus instead. Different strokes for different folks.
It’s a good idea to have good lighting conditions when you first set up FaceID, but after that it will work in any light. I use it in a dark bedroom all the time and it never fails to unlock unless my face is half buried in the pillow. I’m not sure why it would be helpful to unlock my iPhone before it’s in front of my face, but I know there are people who like to unlock their phones under the conference table with TouchID (as if nobody is going to notice them glancing at their smartphone during the meeting). I also have the Require Attention to unlock feature enabled, but I could see some wanting to unlock their iPhones without full attention.
As to how FaceID learns over time, this article from Apple is a pretty good technical overview of FaceID. The mathematical representation of your face uses both 2D and 3D information. From the article:
“To improve unlock performance and keep pace with the natural changes of your face and look, Face ID augments its stored mathematical representation over time. Upon successful unlock, Face ID may use the newly calculated mathematical representation—if its quality is sufficient—for a finite number of additional unlocks before that data is discarded. Conversely, if Face ID fails to recognize you, but the match quality is higher than a certain threshold and you immediately follow the failure by entering your passcode, Face ID takes another capture and augments its enrolled Face ID data with the newly calculated mathematical representation. This new Face ID data is discarded after a finite number of unlocks and if you stop matching against it. These augmentation processes allow Face ID to keep up with dramatic changes in your facial hair or makeup use, while minimizing false acceptance“
Okay so all of the users that have had their X for months now and acknowledge the inadequacies of Face ID OBViOuSLY just haven’t used it themselves...
OPs story certainly sounds like they’ve been using Face ID. Ie the phone is not still sealed in the box. If that’s the case, their opinion/experience is no less invalid than yours.
Do yourself a favor and lookup the difference between objective and subjective viewpoints.
No you are not crazy for thinking that way. It is far crazier to keep using something you aren't happy with imo.
As for the face id / Touch ID arguments we see in this thread..ignore them. Its your money, your life, and your choice as to what works best for you.
For me it’s helpful in that I can unlock the phone without it needing to be directly in front of my face, at a specific distance, in “ideal” lightning. I can have it unlocked at an indirect angle before I actually am looking at my phone and have it ready to be used when I put it up in front of my face not after I put it in front of my face.
