My nephew has the 8+ and I have the X and we compared a bunch of different pics taken over the holidays of the same subjects and same conditions and they are pretty close. Both are exceptional
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Im sure Face ID is great, but I still love Touch ID.
Wireless charging isn't for me as I use a 12w iPad charger to quickly charge my phone. Also, I don't think the X can beat my 7 with smart battery case battery life (correct me if I'm wrong).
Oh relative to the 6, it’s a huge upgrade. 4K at 60 FPS, optical zoom, etc.
On battery life you are correct, with the smart battery case you will get great performance, longer lasting than the X.
Wireless charging and Face ID make the experience easier but are not necessary. If you are happy with wired charging and fingerprint recognition sounds like you are all set.
What is with this expectation that a 10 year anniversary for a product is a date worth getting excited about that would make one expect a more special product release? I know Apple made a deal about it, but frankly I wouldn't haven even realized it had been 10 years if they hadn't. I don't expect manufacturers of products I enjoy to produce something way cooler and way better just because we reached an anniversary date. I expect them to offer improvements and new features as they develop them. Would you have preferred that they waited until the 10 year anniversary to release some of the features from the last few years just so the X would have seemed like a bigger leap from the previous iPhone? Developers and engineers who work for companies like Apple are under pressure to come up with new features and improvements all the time. It's not like they suddenly wake up and think of brilliant ideas just because an anniversary is around the corner. The dates Apple should be concerned about are the dates when Android manufacturers release features Apple doesn't offer.
As far as I'm concerned the iPhone X is mostly just another new iPhone model, and the performance and features match what I would expect from a late 2017 flagship smartphone. I'm glad the X and the iPhone 8 compare well to the latest Samsung, Google, HTC, and LG phones. I don't expect it to be miles better. I said the X is "mostly just another new iPhone) because I do think it's interesting that Apple put a piece of technology into the X that is a big nod to the future of good things to come. I'm not talking about FaceID, but I am talking about the technology that makes it work well: The dot projector. That little gizmo currently makes FaceID, TruDepth camera technology, Animoji, and other things possible on the iPhone X. It may not seem like a serious feature now, but in the future it will have all sorts of applications (especially once it is available for both front and rear cameras).
I happen to prefer FaceID to TouchID so far (it's only been a few days), but for me the killer feature to get excited about was offering dual cameras in a standard size smartphone. I never wanted to carry an iPhone Plus, but I have long wanted the dual cameras. Between the dot projector, FaceID (which streamlines the way I access secure apps) and advanced camera features, I'd say the iPhone X does feel like the first of a new generation of smartphones... so consider that if you want something meaningful out of the 10th anniversary stuff.
As far as the price goes, that has always been advantage for Android, but a flagship Android phone is not much cheaper these days. Anyway... I personally like where Apple has been headed with iOS, the Apple Watch, iPad and iPhone.
Idk what you talking about x not doing well. Every apple store ive been to is packed to the gills woth chinese nationals scooping up every iphone they can get their hands on. Also, wait time to get an iphone is a ridiculous 40 min on average.
This.
What the iPhone X‘s real purpose is is to push iPhone 6 owners into a new phone. We didn’t think the 7 was a leap forward so we waited it out into Year 3. Then the 8 looks like a bad value compared to the X, so we just got the X.
It didn’t have to be a breakthrough device; it just had to be significantly better than the iPhone 6. Which of course it is.
I don't really think that's the point. Both the iPhone 8 and iPhone X camera are almost identical in producing results. Most average iPhone users would not be able to tell the difference or which iPhone camera is superior between the 8/X. They literally almost share the same characteristics between each other.
Another point to throw out there as why sales could be down is the fact this year was out of sync in terms of the first adopter market. The two year contract is still the most popular method of owning an iPhone worldwide. People like me who got the iPhone 5 and 6 on release were due to upgrade last year. However Apple released the iPhone 7 as one can only assume was a filler for the 10th anniversary iPhone. However a significant proportion of people were left either having to keep their iPhone 6’s for a third year or upgrade to the 7 or even the 6S like I did.
Now we have a year where people are only half way through their contracts and unable to buy the 8 or X. It seems the iPhone X was launched to the ‘S’ consumer primarily and this market has always been smaller than the first adoption years. Could this be another reason why the upgrade market is shrinking? Has Apple forced consumers to reevaluate whether they need to upgrade as often by delaying their redesign by 12 months? Let’s not forget that many who would have kept their 6’s for an extra 12 months may have run into issues like the touch disease scandal and the iOS feature that locked phones that used third party screens. I think it’s another point to make.
Now we have a year where people are only half way through their contracts and unable to buy the 8 or X. It seems the iPhone X was launched to the ‘S’ consumer primarily and this market has always been smaller than the first adoption years. Could this be another reason why the upgrade market is shrinking? Has Apple forced consumers to reevaluate whether they need to upgrade as often by delaying their redesign by 12 months? Let’s not forget that many who would have kept their 6’s for an extra 12 months may have run into issues like the touch disease scandal and the iOS feature that locked phones that used third party screens. I think it’s another point to make.
Lots of good points and ideas in here as to why adoption may be slower..
With the X, we have to assume that at least for some set of people (like me if I liked larger phones), the cost is somewhat prohibitive. Once you are crossing the $1k barrier routinely (with or without tax), it seems to vault the purchase decision into a range with more decision friction I'd imagine.
These are amazing computers in our pocket ... but I am sure some people despite that still think:
"$1100 for a frickin' phone!?"
I'm not saying they are right or wrong - But simply that it's a lot of money, especially if the one you have already is just fine / or better
With the X, we have to assume that at least for some set of people (like me if I liked larger phones), the cost is somewhat prohibitive. Once you are crossing the $1k barrier routinely (with or without tax), it seems to vault the purchase decision into a range with more decision friction I'd imagine.
These are amazing computers in our pocket ... but I am sure some people despite that still think:
"$1100 for a frickin' phone!?"
I'm not saying they are right or wrong - But simply that it's a lot of money, especially if the one you have already is just fine / or better
Yes, and Apple knows this.
So they estimated that an iPhone over $1000 would cost them half the unit sales so they priced it the X twice as expensive and launched the 8 as insurance. And the combination of the two new models will produce greater revenue than the all-time-record iPhone 6/Plus launch did. Units will be down but revenues and profits will be up. Just wait and see. The biggest company in the world doesn't leave financials to chance.
I think we’ll see a shift in pricing next September. More than likely an X Plus will launch and this will replace the X in the pricing department as the top premium offering. The X variant will come down £100 or so to widen the appeal of the device and try and regain those lost to the 8, older devices and Android.
Apple can’t afford to just focus on revenue if unit sales are decreasing as that is a very short term money maker. If the X buyers start to decrease then Apple then have to back pedal and try and attract a new market to their flagship which is not an easy feat. Apple will want to maximise revenue and keep the customer flow healthy to ensure future appeal. I think this year was testing the waters with a new premium and depending on their view of how successful it’s been, we could see a restructure in their line up. If they don’t go down this avenue then they need to make the 8 variant more appealing to their core user base as too many people buying year old devices hurts the brand ultimately.
Well you have a company which has been very Apple Friendly just saying the Note 8 was the best Smartphone for 2017 and even saying the Note 8 screen was better then the IPhone X. I personally prefer the color saturation then the higher brightness but the IPhone X screen has been said to be better from most news outlets.
As someone who has a Note 8 and had an iPhone 7 wireless charging is not a reason to buy an iPhone 8 or X.
Your opinion, which I respect and actually agreed with before I jumped from my iPhone 6 to my iPhone X, turns out to be the surprise feature of next gen iPhone's for me. Turns out that the iPhone X's killer feature can be summed up as "convenience":
Wireless Charging - so simple and easy, my kids can't break wires anymore.
Wireless Audio - no headphone jack brings freedom from tangled cables.
Face ID - faster and easier than Touch, it's like the phone has no security at all.
3D Touch - one deep press away from time saving shortcuts all over the OS.
Battery Life - I'm getting almost 3x the staying power of my 6, it's liberating.
Each of these individually is not a big deal. But all 4 together for the first time for the majority of X owners who are coming from the 6 and it's a gamechanger. Incredible conveniences. More important than hardware.
Oh I use it on my Note 8 but it's just not a reason to buy a phone.
Wireless audio? Meh I want headphone jack which is a big reason why u bought a note 8 to replace my iPhone 6
3D touch is Meh. Don't care for it when I had my. 7
For me the selling points is the OLED screen.
It's funny, I don't notice much of a difference in the screen at all from the 6, it's all about those conveniences mentioned earlier. That and the Camera, forgot to mention that. The videos shot on the X are ridiculously clear and detailed and colorful, a big advance from the one on the 6.
And your post is actually a good example of why I won't buy an X. Please keep in mind these are all based upon MY needs and wants.
Wireless charging - Meh, So I have to buy an wireless charger. But why since my wired charging is already set up in the car and at home. Money saved, estimate $100 (that is an estimate for the wireless mat)
Wireless audio - Has never been a use for me, wired or wireless
Face ID - I would never use, I want my wife to be able to use my iPhone if she has to (Cost unknown)
3D Touch - I will play stupid, I don't even know or care what that is.
Battery life - ???
I actually bought an 8 and had it for ten days, it was $300 less than the X so figured with not using face id, and already not going to do wireless charging even though the 8 has it, thought it worth the gamble.
Returned the 8 after 10 days for 2 reasons:
1. 4 butt dials while carrying in a belt holster. My 6S never butt dialed, ever.
2. Haptic home button. Didn't care for it, in fact found it slightly annoying.
Money saved - Well it was at least $700 saved, and maybe the $1k that the 8 experience convinced me not to spend on an X. And I now hardly ever buy the first iteration of any new product anymore, the butt dial on the 8 is a good example. Getting tired of being the guinea pig for big corporations.
This is every person I come across. They can’t see paying that much for a phone. And it’s not like they cannot afford to pay that much. They just don’t see paying that much for a phone. Most say, hey it’s just a phone. And I know some of you will go on and on forever about every feature you can think of. But for an avg person. That’s what they think. It’s just a phone.
If they can incorporate touchID into the side button, the next iPhone would be a home run. That way, you’d have the choice to use FaceID or TouchID
Yeah... I had to think of it as spending more than $1000 on a really nice pocket camera that just happens to include an iPhone upgrade
For me part of the issue with the price is that it is for a device that won’t be worth much in three years. I have spent more than $1,000 on individual camera lenses, but I have a couple that are 14 years old and still take great photos. On the other hand some of those are specialty lenses I don’t use very often, but I use my iPhone every day. Between my iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch: iOS is my primary computing platform at home and at work. I just use my Windows based desktops as machines for very specific purposes, but my meeting schedule and work away from my desk mean I spend more time in iOS. That makes me a bit of an outlier, and someone who is more likely to appreciate what the iPhone X is and does. I can easily see how it would be just another phone for most people.
X did awesome? Lol who told you that? Click the link I posted.
Btw I've watched 5 smartphone of 2017 videos from 5 credible smartphone review youtubers in the past day and the Note 8 literally won every one of them.
Apparently Samsung is looking to capitalise on pushing the iphone x sales furrher down the spectrum with the s9. Crook's vision of adding less and less but charging more and more is starting to catch up with him.
But hey, if you like reciving less and less but paying more and more, don't let this post stop you.
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Baseless jabs????? Ummmm no, not a baseless jab at all. In fact, calling him Crook was well justified. Do I need to remind you of Tim Crook's Appe intentionally slowing down iphones which Geekbench exposed and forced Apple to admit to? And now there's many class action lawsuits against the company. And you think I gave a baseless jab??? No lol, me calling him a Crook was not a baseless jab.
This would never happen under Jobs, even if intentions were good, Jobs would have been transparent about it from the start.
Tim Crook it is.
What Android people will never grasp is that iPhone people know nothing about Android nor will we ever.
But we do like the attention. In the same way that the prom queen quietly smiles to herself at all the jealous glances from the other girls. So thank you for that.
I'm an iphone user. So please don't talk on my behalf.