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Lowlight, iPhone X vs S9+
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The Game 161

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At the end of the day.....this is all that matters....

Benchmarks...speed tests......all are meaningless
Yep

They are fun to see I guess but that isn’t real worl usage. If your device is quick and smooth it makes no difference what other phones do.
 
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umbrokhan

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iPhone X is the best phone ever. android copy the notch, removing the headphone jack, copy the build quality, copy the speaker. i mean don't android have they own ideas? first mock it then copy it...
Android don't no how to clean they bum until apple shows them how to do it. prove's Apple is right after all
and that's from android user, been 5 years now using android. lol
 

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iPhone X is the best phone ever. android copy the notch, removing the headphone jack, copy the build quality, copy the speaker. i mean don't android have they own ideas? first mock it then copy it...
Android don't no how to clean they bum until apple shows them how to do it. prove's Apple is right after all
and that's from android user, been 5 years now using android. lol
Samsung didn't remove the headphone jack. I have no idea who else has or who hasn't and don't care.
And BTW, Apple is copying Android plenty these days with adding a few features here and there that Android has had for years so you have no room to talk there.
And so what? Don't see you complaining about the features you now have on that phone, but it's the best ever, thanks to Android lol.
 
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Samsung didn't remove the headphone jack. I have no idea who else has or who hasn't and don't care.
And BTW, Apple is copying Android plenty these days with adding a few features here and there that Android has had for years so you have no room to talk there.
And so what? Don't see you complaining about the features you now have on that phone, but it's the best ever, thanks to Android lol.

It’s not the best, there is no best. And neither company is to thank for the success of another. Both of you need to realize that implementation matters. Both OS and all handset makers get ideas from each other but those ideas mean nothing without a good implementation.
 

Vegastouch

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It’s not the best, there is no best. And neither company is to thank for the success of another. Both of you need to realize that implementation matters. Both OS and all handset makers get ideas from each other but those ideas mean nothing without a good implementation.
I realize that and don't care if they copy each other but im not the one who said the others had no ideas of their own.
I don't care if they copy each other, that's good for all of us.
If you want a full screen display, you have to have a notch until they figure out how to make the camera and sensors work without it.
I thought that was obvious but to some I guess not.
 
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I realize that and don't care if they copy each other but im not the one who said the others had no ideas of their own.
I don't care if they copy each other, that's good for all of us.
If you want a full screen display, you have to have a notch until they figure out how to make the camera and sensors work without it.
I thought that was obvious but to some I guess not.

I forgot to say something on my last post: If there was a best OS, it would be WebOS.
 
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Because of the iOS and Android duopoly causing Palm to run out of cash.
Did a little research. Palm was bought by Hewlett Packard in 2010. It could of been iOS and Android for the reason they failed but HP rebranded the Palm products with their own and well, they didn't sell very well. A year later they stopped producing WebOS products.

I had forgotten all about them and never had a Palm device. They looked like Blackberry phones.
 
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Did a little research. Palm was bought by Hewlett Packard in 2010. It could of been iOS and Android for the reason they failed but HP rebranded the Palm products with their own and well, they didn't sell very well. A year later they stopped producing WebOS products.

I had forgotten all about them and never had a Palm device. They looked like Blackberry phones.
WebOS was nice ...but it wasn't all that nice if I remember. Nice graphics and smooth transitions but it lacked refinement. I think today's Android and IOS has evolved past it quite a while ago.
 

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WebOS was nice ...but it wasn't all that nice if I remember. Nice graphics and smooth transitions but it lacked refinement. I think today's Android and IOS has evolved past it quite a while ago.

Agreed but at the time, it was pretty far ahead of everything else. Imagine what it could have been had it survived until today.
 

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Agreed but at the time, it was pretty far ahead of everything else. Imagine what it could have been had it survived until today.
It was pretty nice back then. They used a lot of different colors too. Very nice presentation of the OS and menus. I think I still have one of the tablets from the fire sale HP did a few years ago.
 
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iPhone X is the best phone ever. android copy the notch, removing the headphone jack, copy the build quality, copy the speaker. i mean don't android have they own ideas? first mock it then copy it...
Android don't no how to clean they bum until apple shows them how to do it. prove's Apple is right after all
and that's from android user, been 5 years now using android. lol

Last I checked the Nexus devices had stereo speakers first. There is no such thing as copying build quality.
 

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Money definitely is a consideration for many. If you’re OS agnostic, I would say S9 because better specs for less $. Alright, no dual cameras, but you still get more for your buck: better screen, more software features, FP sensor, Iris Scanner, quick charge built in natively, a nicer build quality and looks, no notch, a headphone jack.

I don't know about build quality, but the X looks head and shoulders better than the S9.
The devil's in the details, like the fact that the S9 has asymmetrical bezels and misaligned ports. If you really are passionate about industrial design, no way you can recommend any Samsung over any iPhone.

Also, I just can't figure out how people can regard the top bezel better looking than the notch. Apple could've blacked out the two "horns" and just display the icons in white, and there you go, no more bezel. They didn't do it, because the notch is a design feature, which no doubt Android is going to copy.

The Iris Scanner sounds good only on paper, FaceID is a much more advanced technology (in fact Samsung is gearing up to come up with their own version). Plus the iPhone has a much much faster processor. It might not show in day-to-day usage, but you just wait for augmented reality apps to catch up with the hardware and for sure the X's oomph will shine.

Wanna bet in two years' time flagship Android phones will have the notch and FaceID?
 
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I don't know about build quality, but the X looks head and shoulders better than the S9.
The devil's in the details, like the fact that the S9 has asymmetrical bezels and misaligned ports. If you really are passionate about industrial design, no way you can recommend any Samsung over any iPhone.

Also, I just can't figure out how people can regard the top bezel better looking than the notch. Apple could've blacked out the two "horns" and just display the icons in white, and there you go, no more bezel. They didn't do it, because the notch is a design feature, which no doubt Android is going to copy.

The Iris Scanner sounds good only on paper, FaceID is a much more advanced technology (in fact Samsung is gearing up to come up with their own version). Plus the iPhone has a much much faster processor. It might not show in day-to-day usage, but you just wait for augmented reality apps to catch up with the hardware and for sure the X's oomph will shine.

Wanna bet in two years' time flagship Android phones will have the notch and FaceID?


I disagree.

The notch is asymmetry personified, turn the phone into landscape and it's even more asymmetrical.

The bezel isn't non existent, I don't know why people keep insisting the X has no bezel, it has a continuous 3.7mm bezel and a notch to emphasise the bezel. Look at the screen to body ratio for example.

The CPU speed might be mitigated by the time the AR features are fully utilised, maybe not, but maybe so.

So far, quite a few Android vendors have copied the notch but Samsung haven't, I really hope they don't as the notch sounds like a stop gap solution for Apple with talk of it disappearing in a few years.

Once the cameras and sensors can be reduced in size or incorporated into the display, the notch will become as superfluous as it is on most, if not all of the Androids using it now.
Also, Essential had a notch before Apple, so who copied who?

I really hope the notch craze dies as I personally find the notch to be visually hideous, I'll take larger bezels with a better screen to body ratio any day.
I'll go out of my way to avoid purchasing a phone with an element I find to be hideous.
 
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Vegastouch

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I don't know about build quality, but the X looks head and shoulders better than the S9.
The devil's in the details, like the fact that the S9 has asymmetrical bezels and misaligned ports. If you really are passionate about industrial design, no way you can recommend any Samsung over any iPhone.

Also, I just can't figure out how people can regard the top bezel better looking than the notch. Apple could've blacked out the two "horns" and just display the icons in white, and there you go, no more bezel. They didn't do it, because the notch is a design feature, which no doubt Android is going to copy.

The Iris Scanner sounds good only on paper, FaceID is a much more advanced technology (in fact Samsung is gearing up to come up with their own version). Plus the iPhone has a much much faster processor. It might not show in day-to-day usage, but you just wait for augmented reality apps to catch up with the hardware and for sure the X's oomph will shine.

Wanna bet in two years' time flagship Android phones will have the notch and FaceID?
Everybody likes are different. The notch is ugly and I'll take the small bezel Everytime. Bezels have never bothered me. The iPhone overall is a nice looking phone but so is the S9 to many. If you dont like it, well, ok.
And why are you predicting Android will have face ID like they will be copying? Apple has added features that Android has had for years so who cares.
For what it's worth I don't use the Iris scanner and won't use the Face ID.
If the iPhone is what you like better, then great, keep using it.
 
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I don't know about build quality, but the X looks head and shoulders better than the S9.
The devil's in the details, like the fact that the S9 has asymmetrical bezels and misaligned ports. If you really are passionate about industrial design, no way you can recommend any Samsung over any iPhone.

Also, I just can't figure out how people can regard the top bezel better looking than the notch. Apple could've blacked out the two "horns" and just display the icons in white, and there you go, no more bezel. They didn't do it, because the notch is a design feature, which no doubt Android is going to copy.

The Iris Scanner sounds good only on paper, FaceID is a much more advanced technology (in fact Samsung is gearing up to come up with their own version). Plus the iPhone has a much much faster processor. It might not show in day-to-day usage, but you just wait for augmented reality apps to catch up with the hardware and for sure the X's oomph will shine.

Wanna bet in two years' time flagship Android phones will have the notch and FaceID?
Good thing I don't give a damn whether or not the ports are aligned up along some perfect axis just as long as they are there for me to use. Apple has successfully made the Apple TV remote a minimalistic slab of plastic. Yeah it's gorgeous but it's a twitchy devil to use. Apple keeps removing features I want to use and pats themselves on the back for it. As a consumer with eyes and ears and fingers I need to make use of, I'm getting tired of design that seems to assume I am telekinetic.
 

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Everybody likes are different. The notch is ugly and I'll take the small bezel Everytime. Bezels have never bothered me. The iPhone overall is a nice looking phone but so is the S9 to many. If you dont like it, well, ok.
And why are you predicting Android will have face ID like they will be copying? Bro Apple has added features that Android had had for years so who cares.
For what it's worth I don't use the Iris scanner and won't use the Face ID.
If the iPhone is what you like better, then great, keep using it.

While of course I agree that no notch and no bezel would be the ideal solution and I'm sure Apple agree, given that there are technical limitations that for now mandate one or the other, I find the notch a more distinctive design feature than a simple bezel, which is the reason I think Apple deliberately went for this solution instead of just adding black bars to hide it.

The next Android version will feature notch support, how's that for copying? This is not to say Samsung will adopt it, but for sure several manufacturers will (Asus already did). The essential phone was released a couple months before the X and it had the notch (and a very tiny one). I'm not saying Apple was the first. I'm saying that typically Android manufacturers follow en masse Apple's decisions.

Also, it is rumoured that Samsung is looking into replicating FaceID functionality. Check the articles, if you don't believe me, they were featured on this very website a few days ago.

I am not trying to convince you to switch to the iPhone, I was just commenting, as an industrial design enthusiast, on how the iPhone X, but also the 8 have a more refined design than the Samsung S8/S9. You might not care about the ports being misaligned, or the fingerprint scanner being stupidly located, but they are ugly design bits which undoubtedly show Samsung's lack of attention to the details.
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Good thing I don't give a damn whether or not the ports are aligned up along some perfect axis just as long as they are there for me to use. Apple has successfully made the Apple TV remote a minimalistic slab of plastic. Yeah it's gorgeous but it's a twitchy devil to use. Apple keeps removing features I want to use and pats themselves on the back for it. As a consumer with eyes and ears and fingers I need to make use of, I'm getting tired of design that seems to assume I am telekinetic.

I fully agree with you that Apple really screwed up the design of the Apple TV remote.
 

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While of course I agree that no notch and no bezel would be the ideal solution and I'm sure Apple agree, given that there are technical limitations that for now mandate one or the other, I find the notch a more distinctive design feature than a simple bezel, which is the reason I think Apple deliberately went for this solution instead of just adding black bars to hide it.

The next Android version will feature notch support, how's that for copying? This is not to say Samsung will adopt it, but for sure several manufacturers will (Asus already did). The essential phone was released a couple months before the X and it had the notch (and a very tiny one). I'm not saying Apple was the first. I'm saying that typically Android manufacturers follow en masse Apple's decisions.

Also, it is rumoured that Samsung is looking into replicating FaceID functionality. Check the articles, if you don't believe me, they were featured on this very website a few days ago.

I am not trying to convince you to switch to the iPhone, I was just commenting, as an industrial design enthusiast, on how the iPhone X, but also the 8 have a more refined design than the Samsung S8/S9. You might not care about the ports being misaligned, or the fingerprint scanner being stupidly located, but they are ugly design bits which undoubtedly show Samsung's lack of attention to the details.
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I fully agree with you that Apple really screwed up the design of the Apple TV remote.
I’m disappointed when Apple designs things for looks rather than functionality.

I was always very pleased they stayed with fairly flat glass displays when other manufacturers started mimicking Samsung’s curves edges. I like the looks on my S9+ but the edges still complicate case selection and the viability of screen protectors.

For the most part I think the X is well designed. I don’t like that it’s missing Touch ID and the headphone port but I survived without them and don’t consider their exclusion design deficiencies. Just a pain in the butt.

The expense of the design and new technology, the elevated cost of insuring this design, and the difficulty my eyes had with the pwm frequency on the display ultimately made me return it and decide to take a break and see where Apple goes in a couple of years. If I decide to stay with Apple, and they keep on their current course of features and pricing, I will no longer upgrade annually as I used to enjoy doing. I don’t know if that’s a desirable outcome for Apple if more and more customers who splurge on annual upgrades decide to do the same.
 

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While of course I agree that no notch and no bezel would be the ideal solution and I'm sure Apple agree, given that there are technical limitations that for now mandate one or the other, I find the notch a more distinctive design feature than a simple bezel, which is the reason I think Apple deliberately went for this solution instead of just adding black bars to hide it.

The next Android version will feature notch support, how's that for copying? This is not to say Samsung will adopt it, but for sure several manufacturers will (Asus already did). The essential phone was released a couple months before the X and it had the notch (and a very tiny one). I'm not saying Apple was the first. I'm saying that typically Android manufacturers follow en masse Apple's decisions.

Also, it is rumoured that Samsung is looking into replicating FaceID functionality. Check the articles, if you don't believe me, they were featured on this very website a few days ago.

I am not trying to convince you to switch to the iPhone, I was just commenting, as an industrial design enthusiast, on how the iPhone X, but also the 8 have a more refined design than the Samsung S8/S9. You might not care about the ports being misaligned, or the fingerprint scanner being stupidly located, but they are ugly design bits which undoubtedly show Samsung's lack of attention to the details.
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I fully agree with you that Apple really screwed up the design of the Apple TV remote.
The iPhone is a dreadful piece of industrial design. Always has been.

Apple have constantly sacrificed "good design" for aeshetic.

The X is terrible as a design.
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Bottom line: If you don’t mind being a few years behind, buy an Android.

Get with the news, both camps have hit a technology wall.

*posted from my fine and dandy S6
 

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While of course I agree that no notch and no bezel would be the ideal solution and I'm sure Apple agree, given that there are technical limitations that for now mandate one or the other, I find the notch a more distinctive design feature than a simple bezel, which is the reason I think Apple deliberately went for this solution instead of just adding black bars to hide it.

The next Android version will feature notch support, how's that for copying? This is not to say Samsung will adopt it, but for sure several manufacturers will (Asus already did). The essential phone was released a couple months before the X and it had the notch (and a very tiny one). I'm not saying Apple was the first. I'm saying that typically Android manufacturers follow en masse Apple's decisions.

Also, it is rumoured that Samsung is looking into replicating FaceID functionality. Check the articles, if you don't believe me, they were featured on this very website a few days ago.

I am not trying to convince you to switch to the iPhone, I was just commenting, as an industrial design enthusiast, on how the iPhone X, but also the 8 have a more refined design than the Samsung S8/S9. You might not care about the ports being misaligned, or the fingerprint scanner being stupidly located, but they are ugly design bits which undoubtedly show Samsung's lack of attention to the details.
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I fully agree with you that Apple really screwed up the design of the Apple TV remote.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I don't care that Samsung will adapt the face ID and probably won't use it if they do. Why would anybody care about that? I don't get why so many care about who is doing what.
Apple has copied many things that Android has had for years but I don't see you condeming them for it as a bad thing as you are doing for those other Android phone makers. Your phone wouldn't be as good without them.

Google giving support to those makers who used the notch doesn't mean they are making one, it just means they are giving support in their OS for those that did. You seem to be missing that.
As for the ports, no.....I don't give it a second thought.

I honestly don't care who has what for a phone. It's just a phone, and everyone should choose to have what they like. There's no reason to try and knock the others guys on their choice.
I can name many things that Android had first while Apple copied it later. It only made iOS better for the diehards that stuck with them when they weren't giving you much and fell behind. Now you want to try and say Android is copying them like it's bad? LOL
 
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