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iPod Nano Makes Rare Appearance in Apple Ad for Thinner iPad Pro

Will check out the new iPads at a nearby store soon. The new iPads are very thin indeed.
 
SnowCrocodile said:
Sorry to say it but I have a Surface Pro 8 and it's almost the worst laptop I ever had.

First, it's had an abhorrent battery life from day one. With moderate load (email, PDFs, Office, Teams meetings) I am lucky if I can get over 3 hrs on battery. Often it's barely 2. I had it looked at by our IT, our MS account rep, a 3rd party support vendor, looked at many forums, until I just learned to live with it. There are countless complaints about this with no resolution.

It's also a poor tablet. It's heavy. It is often confused about screen orientation - either suddenly rotating the display without me rotating the tablet, or failing to adjust to the physical rotation. Both are pretty annoying and happen often enough. And, there's a lack of good apps.

One of my main use cases for a tablet is to take field notes for engineering projects. This means reviewing and marking up drawings and documents in PDF (with the ability to zoom in on fine details and place notes and sketches in a highly zoomed view), taking photos and marking them up, drawing sketches, making notes, and all of it in one document as I don't have the time to switch between several apps on the fly while walking around active heavy machinery.

On the iPad, it's really easy - Goodnotes or Notability have all of that functionality and work really well (and there's a handful of other apps). And marking up a photo after taking it is easy and quick, without interrupting the workflow. Windows, on the other hand, is not optimized for this. Photo markup takes several extra steps, from what I remember. As far as apps, I tried Inkodo (runs out of memory and starts refreshing in the middle of taking a note, hates large pdfs), MS Journal (lags), Scrble Ink (crashes), Xjournal++ (not bad for PDF markup, but clunky and outdated). And with all of them, after I have enough markup Surface starts getting hot and drains battery. There's simply no reliability, speed and fluidity that I came to expect from the iPad. Onenote is a good app but it's not really well suited for this kind of work. Goodnotes for Windows is still in its infancy, largely.

I got to the point where instead of taking my corporate Surface, which will be replaced by the company if anything happens to it, I resorted to bringing my own expensive iPad to the dirty, noisy, highly hazardous industrial environments, just so I don't have to deal with all that crap. Even though if I drop it, I'm out of my own $$$.

About the only thing I think MS made better is the pen. I really like Surface pen.
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Battery life on Intel is nothing like Apple. That’s slowly changing but it’ll still be a while yet before a surface gets 10 hour battery life.
 
truthsteve said:
yeah

an Xth anniversary updated iPod click wheel with flash storage, wifi for syncing, bluetooth for AirPods.
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I can't lie - that would be a day one purchase for me. I always assumed that's what they would do next but then they killed it off completely. Mine is hanging on for dear life as it is now.
 
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They really should make the camera bump an optional extra for the tiny tiny tiny minority of people that are going to use it for AR uses. Otherwise, just provide a camera capable of taking document photos and nothing else. Most would rather have the thinner and lighter device that can lay flat.
 
ric22 said:
They really should make the camera bump an optional extra for the tiny tiny tiny minority of people that are going to use it for AR uses. Otherwise, just provide a camera capable of taking document photos and nothing else. Most would rather have the thinner and lighter device that can lay flat.
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They do it’s called the Air
 
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MrGimper said:
Do you think it’s “ad nauseam” because in the real world people want more battery rather than thinner

Just a guess.
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I think it's because the average person is stupid and basic and i'm glad Apple isn't designing for them whilst still being one of the most successful technology companies in the world.
 
ric22 said:
They really should make the camera bump an optional extra for the tiny tiny tiny minority of people that are going to use it for AR uses. Otherwise, just provide a camera capable of taking document photos and nothing else. Most would rather have the thinner and lighter device that can lay flat.
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While it does not lay perfectly flat, this is a big reason why I use an iPhone SE.

A thin case like Apple's silicone or leather case makes it lay perfectly flat.

The camera is perfectly serviceable for document scanning and social media.
 
ric22 said:
🤦‍♂️ Cos in every other way the two devices are identical, huh? Thanks for spoiling the conversation.
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M4 being M4 is irrelevant with iPadOS being the bottleneck, but the display (especially 12.9) is a downgrade compared to M2 iPad Pro. That said, it’s close enough so 🤷‍♂️
 
brofkand said:
While it does not lay perfectly flat, this is a big reason why I use an iPhone SE.

A thin case like Apple's silicone or leather case makes it lay perfectly flat.

The camera is perfectly serviceable for document scanning and social media.
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I was suggesting the current camera was overkill for document scanning. The focal length also is not ideal for document scanning. Cases do tend to solve the problem of the bump, I agree.
 
ric22 said:
I was suggesting the current camera was overkill for document scanning. The focal length also is not ideal for document scanning. Cases do tend to solve the problem of the bump, I agree.
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Apple makes the camera "better" every generation, which means they make it bigger every generation, to fill out a spec sheet. Very few people need the extra resolution/definition/etc. A photo shared on Instagram from my iPhone SE is most likely indistinguishable from a photo taken on an iPhone 15 Pro Max, unless it's a Night Mode shot.
 
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brofkand said:
Apple makes the camera "better" every generation,
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Except the past few generations of iPad Pro you mean? It's a 5 year old sensor according to reports...

Otherwise, are you agreeing with me that it's overkill for simple document scanning?
 
ric22 said:
Except the past few generations of iPad Pro you mean? It's a 5 year old sensor according to reports...

Otherwise, are you agreeing with me that it's overkill for simple document scanning?
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Yes, I am agreeing with you that the cameras are overkill - on iPad and even on iPhone. There is no reason for a camera bump on the iPad. It's unnecessary and lazy engineering.
 
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brofkand said:
Battery life on Intel is nothing like Apple. That’s slowly changing but it’ll still be a while yet before a surface gets 10 hour battery life.
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They advertised “up to 16” though.

I would be happy with 6-7 hours, which is what I’ve been getting with my midrange Acer 2-in-1 that cost about 1/3rd the price of that loaded Surface. 2-3 hours is unacceptable from a device that’s being positioned as a premium laptop with full tablet capability. This was my #1 reason to get a MacBook for my personal use, after a lifetime of buying Windows computers. I wanted a higher end laptop and was unwilling to play the Windows-ecosystem battery lottery.
 
SnowCrocodile said:
They advertised “up to 16” though.

I would be happy with 6-7 hours, which is what I’ve been getting with my midrange Acer 2-in-1 that cost about 1/3rd the price of that loaded Surface. 2-3 hours is unacceptable from a device that’s being positioned as a premium laptop with full tablet capability. This was my #1 reason to get a MacBook for my personal use, after a lifetime of buying Windows computers. I wanted a higher end laptop and was unwilling to play the Windows-ecosystem battery lottery.
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I get closer to 6 or 7 hours on a Surface personally. Absolutely not class leading but considering you're running a full "legacy" OS in something closer to the size of a regular iPad, there are tradeoffs. People who overbuy and get i7 32GB RAM Surface Pro's to annotate PDFs learn quickly they need to keep a charger nearby.

I rather liked the Surface Go as well - underpowered and small, but enough power for basic use and decent battery life as well. A nice alternative to the base iPad with a real productive OS.

My ThinkPad Z16 has rather good battery life - I easily get through the day even with the nice OLED touch display option, but this is a machine closer in size and compute power to the MacBook Pro 16 - not an iPad.

Nobody can consistently touch Apple's battery life right now. Lots of Windows machines have good battery life - but I don't think any have Apple Silicon tier battery life. Even my aforementioned Z16 while it gets me through a workday, I still have to manage it - turn down the display brightness, etc., whereas if I was using a Mac I wouldn't have to be so miserly.
 
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MrGimper said:
Too stupid and too basic to know they'd rather have more battery than a thinner device? OK ....
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Yes.

You don't need more battery, the battery life is fine.

You do need a lighter more comfortable device to hold in the hand for long periods of time, a heavier one would be a stupid idea, which is why they don't do it.

If you're one of those people that don't care how things look (at which point i'd ask why you're interested in Apple at all) you can just plug an external battery into the USB-C port and get 5x longer usage without adding any weight or ruining the design of the iPad which would probably get about 1/4th more battery for ridiculously more weight if they filled the chassis with extra battery.

There's loads of other reason not do it as well - which is why it's only the idiot that doesn't understand asking for it on forums and not the world class designers doing it.
 
dannys1 said:
Yes.

You don't need more battery, the battery life is fine.

You do need a lighter more comfortable device to hold in the hand for long periods of time, a heavier one would be a stupid idea, which is why they don't do it.

If you're one of those people that don't care how things look (at which point i'd ask why you're interested in Apple at all) you can just plug an external battery into the USB-C port and get 5x longer usage without adding any weight or ruining the design of the iPad which would probably get about 1/4th more battery for ridiculously more weight if they filled the chassis with extra battery.

There's loads of other reason not do it as well - which is why it's only the idiot that doesn't understand asking for it on forums and not the world class designers doing it.
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All subjective of course, which was my point.
 
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