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How can this be a first gen machine?
Well, think of it like this.

The Apple (Mac) Silicon development didn't happen over one year, or even two. It was a multi-year effort following the realisation that there was more to be gained from sharing one common architecture.

What's key is that although Apple never confirmed they working on their own Mac processor, the writing was on the wall for years - we just never put two and two together.

It was an incremental transition. The introduction of such features as the Mac App Store; the under-the-hood and cosmetic changes that came with Mavericks; the renaming of apps and iCloud integration; and much, much more. Many of us, myself included, questioned this "iOS-ification" of the Mac, but it was in fact all part of a larger plan to share experiences.

I would say the biggest giveaway for AS development was actually in Catalina, the previous macOS. This was quite simply the buggiest macOS I've ever used, and many thought the same. But why was this the case? Why such a dramatic change in reliability?

There's no question in my mind that Catalina was a prototype for Macs running on ARM - the first 'fully' compatible version of macOS for AS, and they would have been using it internally as a testbed. Even the introduction of the Catalyst initiative to, as Apple put it, "encourage developers to bring their iOS apps to the Mac" (Hmmm can't think why!) and the changes in U.I made to much of System Preferences that mimics iOS Kit.

So Apple has had plenty of time to get this right. They've been very fortunate to have an OS that, upon it's very first release, was already suitable for running on multiple architectures (Brilliant foresight, as per the PPC > Intel transition), and they have the resources to produce as many hardware prototypes as they've wanted over the years.

The future is very bright indeed!
 
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realitydcf

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Consider the other side. I'm going to wait, and I want my iPad Pro that is running the Mac OS. It already has the apple silicon, is a MUCH thinner device with a great weight and keyboard case. Just give it thunderbolt ports in the USB-C, and you've got the best mac portable ever!

That's what I want. Wouldn't mind the battery life of the MacBookAir, but I think it MUST have a touch screen, so when those lines merge, we'll be at the next level.
 

teknikal90

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Consider the other side. I'm going to wait, and I want my iPad Pro that is running the Mac OS. It already has the apple silicon, is a MUCH thinner device with a great weight and keyboard case. Just give it thunderbolt ports in the USB-C, and you've got the best mac portable ever!

That's what I want. Wouldn't mind the battery life of the MacBookAir, but I think it MUST have a touch screen, so when those lines merge, we'll be at the next level.
apps on the ipad arent yet close to the macos counterparts though. even simple apps like word and Excel. not anywhere near the functionality.
I tried very hard to make the ipad pro a laptop replacement. it's just not nearly as usable.
 

jdb8167

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Consider the other side. I'm going to wait, and I want my iPad Pro that is running the Mac OS. It already has the apple silicon, is a MUCH thinner device with a great weight and keyboard case. Just give it thunderbolt ports in the USB-C, and you've got the best mac portable ever!

That's what I want. Wouldn't mind the battery life of the MacBookAir, but I think it MUST have a touch screen, so when those lines merge, we'll be at the next level.
You might have a long wait. Apple has stated repeatedly that they have no intention of going in that direction. Now obviously Apple does occasionally change its mind but I would be surprised if they did for this.
 

alexjholland

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Consider the other side. I'm going to wait, and I want my iPad Pro that is running the Mac OS. It already has the apple silicon, is a MUCH thinner device with a great weight and keyboard case. Just give it thunderbolt ports in the USB-C, and you've got the best mac portable ever!

That's what I want. Wouldn't mind the battery life of the MacBookAir, but I think it MUST have a touch screen, so when those lines merge, we'll be at the next level.
Apple have repeatedly stated that they won't do this.

And there's no reason that they would.

iOS and MacOS are clearly the same design philosophy applied to touchscreen and keyboard/mouse interfaces, respectively. I can't see why that would change, barring a shift to a new interface - AR?
 

BootLoxes

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That is just weird at that should not be happing unless reddit is doing something totally off the wall gonzo. Is it with all browsers (Safari, Chrome, Firefox, etc) or just certain ones? I have a problem with Google's Public Data explorer on Safari (blank page) but it works fine through Chrome and Firefox.
it only happens if i scroll down for a long time. Like 30 min plus of down scrolling. I havent tried other browsers though
 

QCassidy352

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Consider the other side. I'm going to wait, and I want my iPad Pro that is running the Mac OS. It already has the apple silicon, is a MUCH thinner device with a great weight and keyboard case. Just give it thunderbolt ports in the USB-C, and you've got the best mac portable ever!

That's what I want. Wouldn't mind the battery life of the MacBookAir, but I think it MUST have a touch screen, so when those lines merge, we'll be at the next level.
I'm on the other side from you. I think AS macs mark the end of my time as an ipad user. I'll keep using my current iPad Air 3 until it dies (probably a long time, as it's not showing its age at all), but at some point, I think I'm going to be iPhone / AS MacBook only. The incredible battery life and cool/silent operation of the M1 macs have pretty much obviated the need for an ipad for me.
 
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Jeepguy01

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The ability to have a second external display. Adding a couple more Thunderbolt/USB4 ports. That's about all I can think of until the next generation of silicon that allows more/faster cores or more GPU cores without needing a fan.
I can see wanting those. For me, those aren't meaningful improvements. Maybe MagSafe would be nice, but the battery life is so good on this thing I only use my charger once a day.
 
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Maconplasma

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Consider the other side. I'm going to wait, and I want my iPad Pro that is running the Mac OS. It already has the apple silicon, is a MUCH thinner device with a great weight and keyboard case. Just give it thunderbolt ports in the USB-C, and you've got the best mac portable ever!

That's what I want. Wouldn't mind the battery life of the MacBookAir, but I think it MUST have a touch screen, so when those lines merge, we'll be at the next level.
Keep wanting it cuz everything you wanted here ain't gonna happen.
 

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512 gb 8gb Space Gray Pro owner here. Everything is so seamless. It's unreal. Granted, I do not run windows or any complicated programs. I am blown away. How can this be a first gen machine? I am now trying to figure out what to do about my other MacBooks because all I want to do is use this one. I am in love. Logic tells me I should return it and get the second gen version of it and I will eventually run into some major problems, but I don't want to take it back lol.
It’s a nice upgrade from the old system, but I don’t use the word blown way to describe it. And I also don’t use “it’s unreal”. I saw a YouTuber saying you will be blown away as well. I guess some people are easily blown away by some improvement. When I use the word blown away, it will mean something substantial. ? The M1 is not.
 
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techno-Zen

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It’s a nice upgrade from the old system, but I don’t use the word blown way to describe it. And I also don’t use “it’s unreal”. I saw a YouTuber saying you will be blown away as well. I guess some people are easily blown away by some improvement. When I use the word blown away, it will mean something substantial. ? The M1 is not.
I'm going to consider your username and Never mind..

If you don't "feel" the difference then I don't know how you compute on a daily basis.

It is pretty magical and the system almost never heats up. My 6 Core Mac mini is a heat sync all day long
 
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jdb8167

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It’s a nice upgrade from the old system, but I don’t use the word blown way to describe it. And I also don’t use “it’s unreal”. I saw a YouTuber saying you will be blown away as well. I guess some people are easily blown away by some improvement. When I use the word blown away, it will mean something substantial. ? The M1 is not.
The M1 has the fastest single core performance for any notebook CPU. It uses the least amount of energy for any notebook CPU and does it on a MacBook Air without a fan or on a MacBook Pro with a fan that almost never turns on and when it does is so quiet it is hard to tell. I guess I don't know what you would consider substantial.
 
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Keebler

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Oh geez....so what you're saying is i should jump on the M-whatever iMac or Mac Pro for my photo editing? I'm using 61 MB raw files so any speed to work with is very welcome. I have a 2013 trash can MP bought in 2015. It works very well. A little bit of a chug with the raw files, but if it someday has issues then hopefully I can upgraded to a new M workhorse :)
 
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Chambers McMac

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I picked up a M1 MBP with 8GB RAM in early December for work. Was doing some rather heavy video editing so I decided to return it for a 16GB model in early January. I just received the new computer and back at it again. Using Adobe Premier Beta and so far so good. I currently have four windows open and as I export large video files I am typing this reply and listening to music and remoting into my Mac Pro in another room.
 
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Porthos38

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Doubtful that Apple is going to use anymore dGPU's. They are too prone to failure and cause a lot of heat and battery drain. Plus I want Apple to focus on important stuff for the MacBook and not focus on this silly gaming nonsense. If people want to game get a PS4/5, an Xbox or a Windows machine for that. Gamers that buy a Mac to run Windows for games are a very small market and I don't want Apple wasting resources on that.
One its Apple fault for not do monthly testing on GPU before they ship the computer out. Back in the day Apple would make sure the hardware ran at 100% for shipping it. The today care more about the dollar. If mac are for 3D design, animation and Graphic Design, then it should be able gaming too. Why would a Mac user want PC to rule every corner. PC can everything a mac can, but a Mac cant fig out how to be a gaming computer. it shows mac as a weak computer. Why do you think I want more stuff in my house? My computer (Mac Pro 2010) and MacBook Pro (2011) should be all I need.
 

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One its Apple fault for not do monthly testing on GPU before they ship the computer out. Back in the day Apple would make sure the hardware ran at 100% for shipping it. The today care more about the dollar. If mac are for 3D design, animation and Graphic Design, then it should be able gaming too. Why would a Mac user want PC to rule every corner. PC can everything a mac can, but a Mac cant fig out how to be a gaming computer. it shows mac as a weak computer. Why do you think I want more stuff in my house? My computer (Mac Pro 2010) and MacBook Pro (2011) should be all I need.
You do know when Steve Jobs was CEO, they had major problems as well. Do you why Apple stopped choosing Nvidia as its graphics partner is because they gave Apple faulty GPU units resulting in major recall programs.

"NVIDIA is still suffering from the fallout of GPUs that were manufactured with a faulty contact material inside its package which can potentially fail over time. The contact failures generally result in unusual lines in the display or no display at all. While NVIDIA admitted last year that some GPUs were faulty, the problem is suspected to be more widespread than NVIDIA let on. The company is facing a class action suit from shareholders over the brouhaha as well as one from purchasers of laptops with faulty graphics, including one MacBook Pro owner."

source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/nvidia-gpu-failure-fallout-continues-apple-extends-warranty/

It's not entirely Apple's fault if the supplier is at fault and this happened in 2009 when Steve Jobs was CEO, so tell me
what "Back in the day Apple would make sure the hardware ran at 100% for shipping it" are u referring too. I can find faults in Apple's computers "back in the day" as well.


I believe Apple will not use dGPU's from AMD for the upcoming iMacs and MBP 16" but if Apple chooses can make their dGPUs that power efficient.
 
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Porthos38

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I said this at some length in another thread; the M1 Macs are great, but they are also the first time since I've been working with Macs (mid/late 80s) where I felt the machine was really as responsive as I wanted it to be. Up until now the fastest I Macs had a responsiveness I would call "acceptable." What most of you who are 'being blow away' are experiencing, for the first time, is exactly the way a properly designed computer feels. It's wonderful isn't it? It's the type of responsiveness that keeps those of us who've been around a while nostalgic for Amigas and Atari STs and Be-Boxes (for example). I think it's one of the things that keeps Linux users on Linux too, as some distros I've played with are extremely responsive, even when running in a VM. You can make a Windows gaming rig feel this responsive also, if you are lucky enough to put one together where everything actually works the way it theoretically should, but I've never felt a pre-built Windows computer feel anywhere near as responsive as an M1 Mac. Really great work on Apple's part and I hope they pay a LOT of attention to the responsiveness as they update the OS.
I came from Commodore Amiga 1200 (AGA) which never really took off, we hardly got new software or hardware. Apple not tricking me with this M1 crap. I want to see Pc game and software developers, start porting the wares over to this new tech. M1 been out for awhile. Bethesda hasnt updated Fallout shelter and Blades to run on macs. Alot companies havent came over to m1.
 

Porthos38

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The one thing that really impresses me is just how much better the performance is with Civ VI. I can do a pretty much direct comparison of a 2020 M1 13" MacBook Pro vs a 2020 Intel 13" MacBook Pro. The Intel could really barely run the game. It was very slow. The M1? It flies. I even downloaded a bunch of Workshop items for it and there is zero slowdown whatsoever. Even on a giant map with a ton of players.

The difference is night and day and that itself is staggering.
13” model are not built for gaming. My Mac Pro 2010 runs all the Tomb Raider games like butter, Civ VI smooth game play, Pillars of eternity 1 and 2, dying light, hitman
 

Maconplasma

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One its Apple fault for not do monthly testing on GPU before they ship the computer out.
This is 100% illogical. The dGPU's were dying after years of ownership. They weren't crapping out in the early stages so it's impossible for Apple to test that. The dGPU failures lie on the manufacturer which is AMD. Funny how you blamed Apple. SMH.
Back in the day Apple would make sure the hardware ran at 100% for shipping it.
Really? Back in what day? I've been on Macs exclusively for the past 28 years. These dGPU failures have gone back since the first Intel Mac in 2006. And I don't know what you're smoking because Apple hasn't shipped out a "perfect" Mac since before MacOS X.
The today care more about the dollar.
If you were running a major corporation so would you. Don't pretend you wouldn't. You'd be out of business if you didn't. Please do yourself a favor and recognize that no major corporation is your friend. Every company cares about their bottomline first.
If mac are for 3D design, animation and Graphic Design, then it should be able gaming too.
Nope because Apple has never really pressed hard on advertising Macs as gaming machines. Before MacOS X they tried with the Unreal engine but Windows was dominant in the gaming world. The only people Apple would be satisfying are Windows gamers if they waste resources. Plus Bootcamp is dead so don't waste your time crossing your fingers for it to come back. If Windows ends up running on Macs it will be thru VM.
Why would a Mac user want PC to rule every corner.
PC's have ruled every corner since the late 90's. Please get over it. If it weren't true Windows wouldn't have maintained an over 80% dominance. And don't throw words in my mouth. I never said Mac users want PC's to rule every corner, but the truth is they have.
PC can everything a mac can,
Not true. Not true. If that's your mentality then Windows is waiting for you. You don't need a Mac.
but a Mac cant fig out how to be a gaming computer. it shows mac as a weak computer.
Then why the heck are you even here then if you feel that way about Macs? SMH.
Why do you think I want more stuff in my house?
That's on you. I don't care what you put in your house. Don't pretend that suddenly everybody has only one computer in the house. ?
My computer (Mac Pro 2010) and MacBook Pro (2011) should be all I need.
Great then enjoy them. Did I tell you to buy another computer? No. The irony is strong in this post. Calls Macs weak computers then is proud to boast about the two he has. ?
 
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