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Is Apple turning into Microsoft?
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I've found that one of the coolest things about this newfangled internet is to research things before making purchases.
Jeez people it's still in it's first few days of being released! Give it time for companies to write drivers for it and programmers to catch up to them. If you think Microsoft is any better at making compatible and stable OS's then I cordially invite you to pick up a MS OS service pack 1 of any OS, and then look me in the eye and say it works flawlessly. I dare you
If someone were to run Windows 7 SP1 it would run as "flawlessly" as any other OS. I dont know what you are trying to say since Windows 7 is currently only at SP1 and its regarded as a very stable OS.
If you were thinking SP1 signifies the initial RTM product than you're wrong and shouldn't be talking about Windows in the first place. Anyways I ran Windows 7 since beta and it was definitely flawless at release for me (and generally for all the builds between).
Microsoft really nailed it with Windows 7. 400 million happy satisfied customers can't be wrong.
I disagree. It may be flawless for home users but there are still some niggling issues in the corporate environment.
That being said its the most stable and in my opinion best version of Windows, but its not as amazing and flawless as everyone makes it out to be. I think everyone was just so soured with Vista that anything different was welcome.
I really tried to like Lion.
The "it just works" factor seems to have been taken away. Back on SL, there was this lovely feeling - I would get frustrated out of my bloody mind using windows. But then, I could just restart into OS X, it would boot up quickly, and I could just do what I want to do. I really loved this, and hoped it would continue into Lion.
"Not going to happen!," say Apple representatives.
The App resume feature which is buggy as hell and works like **** (and ignores you unticking 'Reopen windows on login'), the overall lagginess of the OS, the broken apps it's just a giant PITA, really, and I will be upgrading back to Snow Leopard. There is no "it just works" factor to write about anymore.
The "it just works" factor seems to have been taken away. Back on SL, there was this lovely feeling - I would get frustrated out of my bloody mind using windows. But then, I could just restart into OS X, it would boot up quickly, and I could just do what I want to do. I really loved this, and hoped it would continue into Lion.
"Not going to happen!," say Apple representatives.
The App resume feature which is buggy as hell and works like **** (and ignores you unticking 'Reopen windows on login'), the overall lagginess of the OS, the broken apps it's just a giant PITA, really, and I will be upgrading back to Snow Leopard. There is no "it just works" factor to write about anymore.
That's why apple seeds a developer preview, so developers can produce drivers and what not. Given that fact companies had an exceedingly long time to make sure the drivers were all set.
Given the bugs and the complaints on Lion, apple should not have rushed it out the door. Clearly it was not ready for prime time.
MS learned this lesson, and when win7 hit the streets it was a very solid OS.
Did they really nail it? Nail what? Quality and Universal Licensing are often mutually exclusive terms.
Yes, those customers can be wrong. Ignorance, or nonchalance, or inability to afford a Mac. This last point was highlighted beautifully by MS' flat-footed Laptop Hunters ad campaign.
Why the do you think Windows sells? It comes with every PC known to mankind. And you can join in for only a few hundred bucks, if that.
Bargain Bin Ballmer selling PCs loaded with Windows on the cheap. Every PC under the sun comes loaded with Windows. Shocking.
Microsoft licenses their OS universally. Apple does not.
I should hope MS sold record numbers of Windows 7!!
It's hundreds of millions of PC users waiting for the Vista nightmare to be over. What did you expect? Poor sales of Windows 7?? What are the alternatives offered by MS? XP and Vista. One is a 9+ year old dog of an OS, the other is a massive flop. That's hundreds of millions of PC users dying for an upgrade after years of getting the shaft. And Apple's Premium end of the market has natural barriers to entry, starting with the $1000 minimum fee. Apple doesn't compete in the market segments occupied mostly by MS. Of course, Apple is now transitioning away from the traditional desktop computer + desktop OS paradigm.
PC users outnumber all others, and always have, whether MS released a good OS or a lousy one - PCs are cheap and now more disposable than ever (netbooks - if they even matter at this point.) The bottom of the retail pyramid is always the widest. The biggest computer-using segment uses PCs. Now throw in an OS that fixes Vista and by sheer force of numbers alone (volume) you'll sell in vast quantities.
There's nothing special here. Just the massive number of PC users who suffered for years, who have jumped at the chance to upgrade. It's nothing new, miraculous or groundbreaking.
It makes no difference whether Windows succeeds or fails (though we're seeing signs of a shift, thanks to what we're getting in the Post-PC era.) PC users, by virtue of the low cost of entry into the PC market alone, will always outnumber users of all other platforms. Windows will always sell well, in whatever form, because it can run on the cheapest hardware - and this is what you find the most of. But now, we're seeing highly concentrated sales of a particular version (good news) because everyone was waiting to upgrade and end the XP/Vista pain, which lasted far, far too long.
Apple doesn't whore out OS X to every hardware maker, and the entry-fee starts at around $1000, not counting the Mini. Apple owns the Premium end, and posts record quarterly sales (in a recession) as well as record YOY sales. Now THOSE figures are impressive, especially when consumers have cheaper options. Never mind Windows that ships with everything, especially whatever's infesting the bottom of the market.
Current realities are a bit different, however:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1193961/
You can either look at "400 million users" and assume everything is rosy, or you can look at it critically and realize what's behind those numbers and what they mean.
I use Windows 7 corporately every day and I loathe it
Want to talk about buggy as hell? The Windows setup given to me by my company and IT is laughable. Outlook is almost unusable for me, and Windows Explorer crashes constantly. Pandora spits and stutters and everything else lags and spins.
But you know what? I realize my Windows experience isn't the norm for everyone else and I am willing to concede it works for others. Unfortunately, threads started here don't want to hear "I'm not having any problems", they just want the dirt on Lion. Truth is, Lion is stable and working for many if not most average users. Sure, there are issues with some folks' set up, but there are many factors that can be causing it. Will Lion be improved. Yep. But I heard the same things with the release of SL and now everyone seems to think it was the greatest.
I am one of those who is not experiencing any issues with Lion
I have it installed on a 17" Santa Rosa MBP and I did an upgrade and not a clean install
I recognize others have some issues. But users with problems want to silence us who have no issues and claim everyone his having issues. We aren't.
Same here. I did an upgrade on my iMac from Snow Leopard which in turn was an upgrade from Leopard and I'm not having any problems so far other than the odd beach ball every now and again.
I'm a little underwhelmed by Lion itself but that's another story.
I agree, my windows experiences is also not good in the corporate environment.
My company is also in the process of "upgrading to win 7" it has been a real nightmare. We cannot install win 7 64 bit as most of our engineering software will not run. You know the stuff companies have, that forces them to use windows and not macs. It is rather laughable. We can install win 7 32 bit. How long has Mac been reliably running a 64 bit OS. MS still can't get it right. I am not even talking about old software, I am talking about Cad that is still on maintenance and running current versions, in reality the cad upgrades were after the win 7 and they still need win 7 32 bit.
I want to upgrade back to XP, however my company will not let me. Bummer. Because of the issues we are on a two year migration process. By the time we get everyone on win 7 win 8 will be out and we get to start all over again. OH Joy!
Lion is running fine for me, with little to no trouble.
Am I the only one who finds this argument from *LTD* kind of ironic.
To defend Apple against things like Antengate or anything they mess up he points to sales figures but when it comes to things like MS he argues against them?
I may need to save this argument just to bring it back up later.
Not much a mess-up when it didn't have an impact on consumers.
ABSOLUTELY. Sales figures - the rhyme and reason for them, are an entirely different beast when it comes to MS, and likewise, an entirely different beast when it comes to Apple. They aren't the same company, nor are their strategies the same.
To examine sales figures divorced from their strategic and market context is a waste of time and *will* lead you to false conclusions.
Apple gear sells for one set of reasons. MS for another.
Not all big sales figures are created equal. Understand what's behind them.
If they had any basis in reality they might be worth saving.
I don't think that Apple is turning into Microsoft. Apple would never give money to charities or give users more choices.
Apple is not a windows box, they do not allow every half baked manufacturer to tie into their hardware. I for one am happy about that. After many years of dealing with windows boxes, performing constant tweaks, driver updates, hardware replacement, all just to try to stay current and functional.
Apple gives you the ultimate choice, you can close to buy the quality and hardware they provide or take your business elsewhere. No one is forcing you to buy hardware you do not want and feel is limiting.
Go to your car dealership, tell them you want more choices, you want the Corolla, with a Lexus frame, Hummer interior, and Ford colors. Lets not forget that perhaps you really want a BMW Engine.
Are you kidding? You know nothing about Apple obviously. Just because they don't use it as a marketing advantage like some companies do doesn't mean they don't give to charity.
Also this "more choices" thing is silly. Learn how the system works. A set amount of hardware working with the OS is why the OS is so stable.
I swear its only people with nothing but negative stuff to say on Macrumors anymore.
If Apple built cars you couldn't go to Goodyear or Bridgestone or Yokahoma for tires. You couldn't buy a Diehard or Interstate battery, you couldn't buy Chevron or Shell gasoline. And you couldn't get tint on your windows because it would reduce the glossiness of the glass.
Not a good analogy. You can certainly go to newegg, best buy, tiger direct, and others to replace parts of your engine to your hearts content.
Not to mention people seem to forget Apple is one company making hardware and software. It would be pure stupid for them to bring out a ton of different types of hardware that isn't going to sell well. They would also need to hire a ton more software engineers if they wanted to make every device compatible with their OS, not to mention hardware vendors and the like would need to make drivers for said devices. In the end your only compromising the stability of the OS.
People just have no clue about the kind of logistics this stuff has and simply want to whine about "Apple not giving choices" which isn't the case at all. Its not a choice if it didn't exist in the first place.
If you truly desire the windows experience then stay with windows. I for one am very happy with the quality, and reliability of the Apple model. There are plenty of choices, and I am past the point of wanting my computer to be an erector set.
They have hardware for people like you, Windows. Go an build to your hearts content, tweak, install, reinstall, configure, and reconfigure. At some time you will get bored with the constant need to do this and can come to appreciate the true beauty of a mac system. It is not for everyone, but neither is a BMW.
Oh and to answer your analogy from above.... gas is like Electricity or Wifi, I can get this anywhere I want. Window tint is like screen protectors, I have them for all my apple devices and none were made by Apple. Tires protect your ride, similar to a case for your devices, also available by the hundreds. There are tons of third party accessories out there to protect, and power your device.
You always have a choice. Use it to best fit your needs and to your advantage. No need to come here and complain poor me Apple will not let me do what I want. No one is forcing you to buy, or even like Apple. It is a free world exercise your choice.
Not a Windows issue. It sounds like your company has deployed a really bad software image to its employees.
I've deployed Windows 7 to over 50,000 people using a variety of different hardware and every machine works fine.
It means 400,000,000 machines are running an OS that isn't even two years old. It's impressive.
Agreed, my windows 7 machine boots up in no time. Very quick, very stable no problems what so ever.
My work computer literally takes over 10 minutes to shutdown and another 10 minutes to boot up. That's before trying to open outlook. the group policies, security settings, antivirus stuff all take a toll on stability, performance and boot times.
My work Windows 7 machine works fine. Never any degradation in performance either no matter how long between reboots. Now Visual Studio is another matter. That frakker is bloated and needs frequent restarts or it gets laggy.