Is Apple turning into Microsoft?

[MonkeySee....]

All this Lion hate is getting really boring now.

If we merged all the separate threads it would be longer than War and Peace.

In fact, it could actually be called War and Peace!

 

[ct2k7]

All this Lion hate is getting really boring now.

If we merged all the separate threads it would be longer than War and Peace.

In fact, it could actually be called War and Peace!

All this Microsoft hate is getting really boring now.

If we merged all the separate threads it would be longer than War and Peace.

In fact, it could actually be called War and Peace!

 

[*LTD*]

All this Lion hate is getting really boring now.

The interesting thing is, is that it's completely unwarranted and has no basis in reality. We saw the same kind of SL hate and Leopard hate.

A few bellyachers on MR think their lovely anecdotes actually resemble a majority assessment.

 

[TheSideshow]

The interesting thing is, is that it's completely unwarranted and has no basis in reality. We saw the same kind of SL hate and Leopard hate.

A few bellyachers on MR think their lovely anecdotes actually resemble a majority assessment.

lol, this was from the front page of Lion's section. I see zero positive threads.

 

[dukebound85]

Because there's a fruit logo on the back.

Seriously when apple release a product or an update, people crow and go on how innovative it is. Just look at how people received iOS 4's multitasking. From the sounds of a number of folks, its like they invented multitasking.

or what about facetime? people believe that apple invented video calling. gimme a break!

 

[*LTD*]

lol, this was from the front page of Lion's section. I see zero positive threads.

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I see nerd rage, and the accompanying massive sense of entitlement.

You know what MacRumors is a barometer of?

Nothing.

 

[dukebound85]

Did they really nail it? Nail what? Quality and Universal Licensing are often mutually exclusive terms.

Why?...

Yes, those customers can be wrong. Ignorance, or nonchalance, or inability to afford a Mac. This last point was highlighted beautifully by MS' flat-footed Laptop Hunters ad campaign.

Funny as I recall a thread about the iphone 4 and the antennea issue where you would refute anyone who posted that they had signal issues because the iphone 4 customers said they were pleased with the device due to a small amt of returns and as such, any claims to the contrary had to be wrong

Can't have it both ways

Am I the only one who finds this argument from *LTD* kind of ironic.
To defend Apple against things like Antengate or anything they mess up he points to sales figures but when it comes to things like MS he argues against them?

I may need to save this argument just to bring it back up later.

Haha read this after I posted and couldn't agree more. Glad I am not the only one that can see through his biased logic

 

[MacDawg]

Not a Windows issue. It sounds like your company has deployed a really bad software image to its employees.

I've deployed Windows 7 to over 50,000 people using a variety of different hardware and every machine works fine.

So 50,000 of your users never have a single issue with Win7?
That's pretty damn impressive... pardon me if I am a little skeptical
Your IT department must feel like the Maytag repair man

I would guess there are as many or more folks who vent about Win7 as there are who are complaining about Lion

 

[TheSideshow]

I see nerd rage, and the accompanying massive sense of entitlement.

You know what MacRumors is a barometer of?

Nothing.

So essentially the view of people who spend their free time discussing Apple isnt a fair gauge of something if it's not in a positive light? But when MacRumors likes something, is this not the case? Or are sales figures the only gauge?

 

[neiltc13]

Not a Windows issue. It sounds like your company has deployed a really bad software image to its employees.

I've deployed Windows 7 to over 50,000 people using a variety of different hardware and every machine works fine.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I use Windows 7 at work on several different machines and at home and I don't have any problems whatsoever that are caused by the OS.

 

[*LTD*]

So essentially the view of people who spend their free time discussing Apple isnt a fair gauge of something if it's not in a positive light?

Who are the people doing the discussing? That's what matters.

But when MacRumors likes something, is this not the case?

It's irrelevant. It can still be interesting, though.

 

[PraisiX-windows]

If Apple built cars you couldn't go to Goodyear or Bridgestone or Yokahoma for tires. You couldn't buy a Diehard or Interstate battery, you couldn't buy Chevron or Shell gasoline. And you couldn't get tint on your windows because it would reduce the glossiness of the glass.

I love this analogy. - It's spot on. - Whether this is a bad or a good thing is a whole other story though.

 

[G4er?]

If you truly desire the windows experience then stay with windows.

Stay with Windows? Now which of the computers I have bought from Apple would that one be? I have never bought a Windows machine.

 

[chrono1081]

So essentially the view of people who spend their free time discussing Apple isnt a fair gauge of something if it's not in a positive light? But when MacRumors likes something, is this not the case? Or are sales figures the only gauge?

Actually when people come to Macrumors, Endgadget, Gizmodo, or numerous other sites its nothing but mac bashing and people are simply sick of hearing it all the time.

One visit to any of the sites mentioned above and you'd swear Apple was this horrible company who drugs users and makes them buy their products, only to turn around and hate said users and make their lives miserable.

In reality Apple makes excellent products and for some reason that makes people jealous so they come to these boards to bash Apple and its users because they have sad lives and that makes them happy.

 

[Hugh]

I have to 3rd it. The problems that you are having, are from 3rd parties. Thinks that Apple doesn't make, it's not Apple fault these 3rd parties aren't working. Betas was sent out, true I admit the beta wasn't long enough, but that's not the point.

What I've been seeing people complaining this or that doesn't work any more. You should have checked in to make sure your 3rd party stuff works, and if it doesn't. Why weren't the 3rd parties connected about that?

As for the doom and gloom of Lion, I remember people on here were demanding that Apple recall the 10.6.0 Installer Disks because of the bug that it would delete your user files if you used Guest accounts. Which wasn't fix until 10.6.2. On here people want Steve's head because of such blunders, not to mention some of the things that weren't working either. (sound familiar??)




Hugh

 

[Nitrus]

Shrug.

Lion works just fine for me. Even my HP drivers work with Lion.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I have to 3rd it. The problems that you are having, are from 3rd parties. Thinks that Apple doesn't make, it's not Apple fault these 3rd parties aren't working. Betas was sent out, true I admit the beta wasn't long enough, but that's not the point.

What I've been seeing people complaining this or that doesn't work any more. You should have checked in to make sure your 3rd party stuff works, and if it doesn't. Why weren't the 3rd parties connected about that?

As for the doom and gloom of Lion, I remember people on here were demanding that Apple recall the 10.6.0 Installer Disks because of the bug that it would delete your user files if you used Guest accounts. Which wasn't fix until 10.6.2. On here people want Steve's head because of such blunders, not to mention some of the things that weren't working either. (sound familiar??)




Hugh

Well lets be blunt that bug should never of made it to gold master at all and sure as hell was not fixed soon enough. Now that bug is acceptable in the beta stages but sure as hell not acceptable in a gold master release and should of been fixed ASAP.

Actually when people come to Macrumors, Endgadget, Gizmodo, or numerous other sites its nothing but mac bashing and people are simply sick of hearing it all the time.

One visit to any of the sites mentioned above and you'd swear Apple was this horrible company who drugs users and makes them buy their products, only to turn around and hate said users and make their lives miserable.

In reality Apple makes excellent products and for some reason that makes people jealous so they come to these boards to bash Apple and its users because they have sad lives and that makes them happy.

I noticed on any fan forum of any type you have the die hard fans that demand perfection. " It does not make me waffles FAILURE argument".
Alo any problem is going to be blown up to worse than it really is. Apple gets beat up because of its ego and how it acts like it is oh so great but at the same time I see more than any where else Apple fans trying to sweep Apple problems under the rug or bury their heads in the sand.

 

[AppleScruff1]

You know what MacRumors is a barometer of?

Nothing.

Then what does that make what you post here?

 

[Tiggs]

Apple hasn't lost its taste. Microsoft never had any so they will always be different.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

So 50,000 of your users never have a single issue with Win7?
That's pretty damn impressive... pardon me if I am a little skeptical
Your IT department must feel like the Maytag repair man

I would guess there are as many or more folks who vent about Win7 as there are who are complaining about Lion

Actually... here's a more Windows-centric website. Note how many Windows 7 complaints there are, how many are dealing with bugs or how-to's, and how much Windows 7 "hate" there is. As of 8/13, there's 0 hate posts on the first page.

In their (albiet small) Apple section, that isn't even trolled much, there's an 8 page long discussion on the change in scrolling direction. I think it's safe to say that there's more Apple hate with Lion than there ever was with Windows 7.

 

[KingCrimson]

Actually... here's a more Windows-centric website. Note how many Windows 7 complaints there are, how many are dealing with bugs or how-to's, and how much Windows 7 "hate" there is. As of 8/13, there's 0 hate posts on the first page.

In their (albiet small) Apple section, that isn't even trolled much, there's an 8 page long discussion on the change in scrolling direction. I think it's safe to say that there's more Apple hate with Lion than there ever was with Windows 7.

Irrelevant. Bottom line is Microsoft never had any taste and still doesn't. Just look at the garish "Metro UI". Ugh, major ugh!!!!!

 

[*LTD*]

Actually... here's a more Windows-centric website. Note how many Windows 7 complaints there are, how many are dealing with bugs or how-to's, and how much Windows 7 "hate" there is. As of 8/13, there's 0 hate posts on the first page.

In their (albiet small) Apple section, that isn't even trolled much, there's an 8 page long discussion on the change in scrolling direction. I think it's safe to say that there's more Apple hate with Lion than there ever was with Windows 7.

Set your standards low enough, buy from a company that rarely takes risks, rarely pushes us forward into new territory, and that is too stuck on an old paradigm and too frightened of CHANGE, and the result is . . . more of the same. Same old Windoze . . . but this time it looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell. Looks like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.

MS playing it nice and safe in the PeeCee market. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, except more cash from the same old business model that Apple is now taking and turning square on its old and tired ear, and getting all the glory and attention because of it. Apple's been doing this for years.

Apple is turning into . . . new Apple. New territory. New markets created with everyone else following in tow. Apple sets the agenda in consumer tech, which becomes everyone else's blueprint.

Except it's a hard act to follow:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sprint-cancels-plan-to-sell-rims-4g-playbook-2011-08-12

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...arches_for_success_among_tablet_failures.html

MS is turning into . . . the IBM of today. *yawn* One big, drawn-out anticlimax with a sagging corporate structure built around it.

The result? MS is looking increasingly like the slow, "special" cousin of the Apple-Google family. But boy oh boy, can he ever jump around on stage and flap his arms!

 

[AppleScruff1]

Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid.

 

[boss.king]

Apple is not a windows box, they do not allow every half baked manufacturer to tie into their hardware. I for one am happy about that. After many years of dealing with windows boxes, performing constant tweaks, driver updates, hardware replacement, all just to try to stay current and functional.

Apple gives you the ultimate choice, you can close to buy the quality and hardware they provide or take your business elsewhere. No one is forcing you to buy hardware you do not want and feel is limiting.

You know Apple uses the exact same hardware as other manufacturers right? They just have a smaller level of support for hardware options meaning that there is less that could potentially go wrong, but their hardware is by no means of a higher standard than what is available to Windows users.

 

[AppleScruff1]

You know Apple uses the exact same hardware as other manufacturers right? They just have a smaller level of support for hardware options meaning that there is less that could potentially go wrong, but their hardware is by no means of a higher standard than what is available to Windows users.

Careful, you'll likely upset people.