Seriously, people saying its too think, now its a thicc boi and people are complaining.
I for one am happy that the ports, and features of the M1/M2 MBP, I don't mind if its a few millimeters thicker
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Is Apple’s new “Pro = Beefy” design language a mistake?
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I for one am happy that the ports, and features of the M1/M2 MBP, I don't mind if its a few millimeters thicker
Neither do I, but read what many are saying here: bigger is better. It is a contradiction that ASi resulted in heavier and thicker MBP. I think though that the current size is fine and Apple will design around that thermal envelope.
I lack a "push the boarders" category of Macs. Apple is now safe and traditional.
imagine if the M series MBP's had gained the same amount of thickness as it was when it went Mac Mini -> Studio 🤓
(sorry, not good at photoshopping stuff)
(sorry, not good at photoshopping stuff)
I fully agree. The entire "it's bigger to get more performance" angle is most likely a red herring anyway. There are two sources of "bulk" in the new design — the display assembly (which is considerably thicker to accommodate the miniLED backlight) and the lack of tapered edges (which make the laptop appear bulkier). That's about it.
The thermal design targets for these laptops didn't change much in over a decade. The new models are a bit over provisioned in this regards, but that's not a bad thing. Quieter operation under load is always welcome.
sure, but still... more space would provide for even better performances, otherwise, the Mac Studios were still having the dimensions of a Mini.
not saying that MBPs should go thicker though, but i don't think that they are actually even "thick" to begin with.
i'd be more inclined to call it "pretty functional" (but i also like the looks), as opposed to being a designer laptop first and foremost with too many drawbacks on the functional side of things and high failure rates.
not saying that MBPs should go thicker though, but i don't think that they are actually even "thick" to begin with.
i'd be more inclined to call it "pretty functional" (but i also like the looks), as opposed to being a designer laptop first and foremost with too many drawbacks on the functional side of things and high failure rates.
I think the 16" Pro is quiet, cool, and fast exactly because the bulkiness allows it. Space for a bigger heatsink and fans means better heat dissipation and allows more cores. I think you'd have to wait for the efficiency improvement of M3 to get excellent performance in something thin and passively cooled like an Air.
Or it could be because Intel chips drew over 30 watts any time you need to render a website and 50-60 watts if you were doing anything that pushed all the cores, while M1 Pro/M1 Max need 3-5 watts for the first case and under 40 watts for the second
Of course, but the old chassis was definitely too small for an Ultra-class chip. Not really the case for laptop chips though.
Two questions:
1. Did you use the 15” MBP as your daily driver both stationary and while traveling?
2. Have you used the 16” MBPro as your daily driver both stationary and while traveling?
If your answer to both questions is Yes, I respect your informed opinion.
If your answer to both questions is not Yes, then please recognize that you are sharing an insufficiently informed opinion.
The thinnest iPhones, the 6 and 6+, were literally so thin they would start bending, and would start messing around with the display and making it unusable.
The thinnest MacBook Pros had the butterfly keyboards which failed, display ribbon cables that were so thin they would fail, and would heat up and throttle so badly it was pretty much a nonstop topic here for four years.
The thinnest iPad pros, the 2018 models, also would bend and break just like the iPhone 6.
So… no, I don’t think shaving off a millimeter or two is worth all of the hassles.
What does excite me is the rumors that the iPhone 15 series will returned to curved edges and a lighter titanium frame. That would be an absolutely massive improvement from the 14 series, which are thin enough, but way too heavy and square.
The thinnest MacBook Pros had the butterfly keyboards which failed, display ribbon cables that were so thin they would fail, and would heat up and throttle so badly it was pretty much a nonstop topic here for four years.
The thinnest iPad pros, the 2018 models, also would bend and break just like the iPhone 6.
So… no, I don’t think shaving off a millimeter or two is worth all of the hassles.
What does excite me is the rumors that the iPhone 15 series will returned to curved edges and a lighter titanium frame. That would be an absolutely massive improvement from the 14 series, which are thin enough, but way too heavy and square.
The 3nm isn’t going to fix the throttling at sustained loads for maximum performance. It’s a thermodynamics problem.Sure Mx chips are amazing but for maximum performance you would need good cooling system. I have MacBook Air 2 as a family laptop/computer, it’s great little beast but anything sustained is throttling the machine. M1 Max 16 inch gets warm. At 100% sustained loads, no throttling but I do feel the increase in temp. Not bad as those 2016-2019 Intel 16 MacBook Pro.
Fair questions… I have a rather thin 2020 Intel MBPro and I often worry it’ll break in a backpack or get damaged - and I expect I will worry far less once I upgrade to a bulkier M-chip MBPro.
You know it's jut psychological, right? There is no evidence (or reason to suspect) that the new models are any sturdier than the older ones.
Same problems will persist, inefficiency = heat.
I do not know if room temperature superconductors ever become a reality will situation with waste heat improve.
Or we could drop transistors
Yerp. I would also like less heft in a cellphone.
A premium material mini, with allll the latest camera tech, and way better thermal regulation would be great.
The three things o didn’t like about the mini was lack of premium material, lack of most up to date camera tech, and the overheating (I.e. it got way too hot)
No…Pros asked for MacBook Pros that fixed what they considered “deficiencies” in the 2016-2019 13” and 15” MacBook Pros. Apple obliged and I really do not hear the level of complaints about the current MBPs that I heard from 2016-2019 now. Pros seem very happy.
None of the MacBook Pros are 2” bricks by any stretch of the imagination and are in fact, still very svelte compared to prior iterations. That’s a bit of hyperbole, don’t you think?
Also, the M3 is being set up as some savior and I’m here to say that a great many people have set their expectations at unrealistic levels. Forum members should temper their thoughts now for their own good.
Reading your post really sounds as though you’ve got it good but insist on portraying this as a bad move on Apple’s part with very subjective criteria.
We just need to go back to the original Pro = max power and beefy, Air = lightness at all costs, and just MacBook= balanced and good for most users
I’m not sure this explanation makes sense. The new hardware uses less power, both CPU and GPU. So why would the chassis need to dissipate more heat?
The huge new "feet" in the design language sure don't help with perception
The new design language is very much "chonky boy"
All the svelte wedgy curving at edges sex appeal is gone on the current lineup (sadly)
The new design language is very much "chonky boy"
All the svelte wedgy curving at edges sex appeal is gone on the current lineup (sadly)
I think you misunderstood the intention behind this phrase: “I may be an outlier in my preference for compactness vs functional overkill; but this feels like a departure from the Apple design culture that saved us from 2 inch bricks masquerading as laptops and made us eager and excited to pay a premium for compactness.” It is not a statement that the current MacBook Pro is a 2” brick - it’s homage to the courage and ingenuity of Apple for stepping up and delivering sub-one-inch laptops at a time when many were arguing that thermal envelopes and other factors justified the then current, bulky form factor.
Yes, I do have it good and stated multiple times that I love my M1 MacBook Pro and iPad Pro, but only wish they were less bulky. Also, there’s is no insistence here — just a question based on self-awareness and observation of my own reaction to a consistent trend towards beefier devices across three different Apple product lines.
The reaction is that I’m willing to trade down on features to get a lighter, more compact, less bulky device — which often costs less. The question is whether forcing that choice on buyers (trade down to get compactness) is a mistake for Apple as buyers were historically willing to pay more for compact, high-performance gear — not less. If my trading down behavior is representative of population reaction, the move could indeed be a strategic mistake for Apple. That is the point of the question.
My friends wife was one of the first people I knew with a new 14" MBP
She's not a tech person -- at all -- and I asked her how she liked it and she said:
"Performance is nice, but aesthetically it reminds me of a Dell from 10-15 years ago"
ouch..
She's not a tech person -- at all -- and I asked her how she liked it and she said:
"Performance is nice, but aesthetically it reminds me of a Dell from 10-15 years ago"
ouch..