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I would point out that one can own both a laptop and a tablet for a reasonable price. I just bought my son a new 2017 MBA at BB for $750 to take to college. The new iPad Air 2019 can be bought on sale for about $450.....expect lower in a few months. Or, you can get a new iPad 2018 9.7" for below $250. That means you can have a great laptop and tablet for under $1,000. These devices are workhorses and will last for years.

Anyway, it does not have to be an "either/or" proposition. When I look at the original 2010 iPad keynote launched by Steve Jobs, it is clear that he saw the iPad as a device that sits between a laptop and a smartphone. The iPad was Apple's response to netbooks, which were all the rage at the time.....they are essentially non-existent now. The closest thing today are Chromebooks.
 
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Today I didn't even touch my iPad Pro. It has been sitting all day on my desk and I didn't even have the wish to turn it on. I guess it is pretty much pointless for me and I should sell it. My only hope is that the WWDC keynote reveals so many amazing things for iOS, that Apple makes me to think twice before selling the iPad.
I am much more than content with using my iPhone for all iOS related things. When I want to do anything more advanced, I have two Macs waiting for me..
 
Today I didn't even touch my iPad Pro. It has been sitting all day on my desk and I didn't even have the wish to turn it on. I guess it is pretty much pointless for me and I should sell it. My only hope is that the WWDC keynote reveals so many amazing things for iOS, that Apple makes me to think twice before selling the iPad.
I am much more than content with using my iPhone for all iOS related things. When I want to do anything more advanced, I have two Macs waiting for me..

Only a couple of days until we find out what iOS 13 brings us. I am guessing it won't be enough to make you want to keep it - we'll see.
 
Great tweet that captures the frustration I have with iPad deniers.

https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/1134311103817703426

Is it so hard to understand that there are people who are super-enthusiastic about iPad because they genuinely feel it’s the best computer they’ve ever used, *despite* not doing everything a Mac does. There’s no agenda, no conspiracy. We have just moved on.

I don’t think iPads are just toys. It’s just not the best platform for me.
 
Great tweet that captures the frustration I have with iPad deniers.

https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/1134311103817703426

Is it so hard to understand that there are people who are super-enthusiastic about iPad because they genuinely feel it’s the best computer they’ve ever used, *despite* not doing everything a Mac does. There’s no agenda, no conspiracy. We have just moved on.

iPad deniers? Good Lord! If an iPad works for a person's workflow, great for them! But it just doesn't for many others because of the limitations of iOS. iPad fanboys are just as annoying as iPad fanboys.
 
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iPad deniers? Good Lord! If an iPad works for a person's workflow, great for them! But it just doesn't for many others because of the limitations of iOS. iPad fanboys are just as annoying as iPad fanboys.

I use an ipad way more than a Mac these days. I don’t see an iPad user telling a Mac user they’re wrong for using the tool they prefer, but I constantly see Mac users telling iPad users they’re wrong for using the iPad and having the gall to tell others they can use it too.

Is it hypocrisy or is it fear?
 
I use an ipad way more than a Mac these days. I don’t see an iPad user telling a Mac user they’re wrong for using the tool they prefer, but I constantly see Mac users telling iPad users they’re wrong for using the iPad and having the gall to tell others they can use it too.

Is it hypocrisy or is it fear?

I've seen a few people call it a toy and I've seen a few people lecture Mac users for being stuck in the old way of doing things and needing to open their minds and adjust to new paradigms.

As I posted earlier, if an iPad works for a person's work flow than great. I have a MBP, 11 and 12.9 iPads and a Windows gaming machine. I end up using the best tool for the job as none of them do everything that matches my preferred workflow. I could use my iPads for a lot more things if iOS wasn't so limiting.
 
I use an ipad way more than a Mac these days. I don’t see an iPad user telling a Mac user they’re wrong for using the tool they prefer, but I constantly see Mac users telling iPad users they’re wrong for using the iPad and having the gall to tell others they can use it too.

Is it hypocrisy or is it fear?

Sorry that you feel this way. For me those threads are more about people being frustrated that they can't use the iPad the way they want to. It is not the fact that iPads are useless. Far from it. It is about personal needs and preferences.

To be honest I do not even stop thinking if it is fear or not. For me things are simpler. Look I either find right away the benefits of having a device and I buy it and use it or I don't. The notion of researching and trying to accommodate my workflow to fit into a device that price is just wrong for me. I do not have the time to waste on that.

For me personally it is all about efficiency. I find the tool that could make me the most productive and efficient one. In my case when it comes to taking digital notes and brainstorming or reading and highlighting the iPad is the best (with the help of Apple Pencil). When it comes to everything else I prefer my laptop because it is more comfortable and I can be faster on it. Can I potentially find workarounds for iPad? Most probably I can for the most part but why I should spend time in doing this? As of now I don't see a reason to do this. I love my laptop and I am not motivated in forcing myself to struggle with a device that as of now poses restriction for me.

I read those threads to see if someone had found an approach that could make me that efficient on an iPad. However as of now all I see is list of workarounds and acceptance that I will be slower on my iPad. This does not work for me. I am all for accepting new ways as long as it does not make me less efficient and it does not waste my time. The moment it start doing it I am out.
 
I use an ipad way more than a Mac these days. I don’t see an iPad user telling a Mac user they’re wrong for using the tool they prefer, but I constantly see Mac users telling iPad users they’re wrong for using the iPad and having the gall to tell others they can use it too.

Is it hypocrisy or is it fear?
I think it is mostly surprise that are indeed people out there that use their iPads professionally. I for one do not deny that this is possible and that there are people that love their iPad, I am just stating that for me the iPad is the least device I would use. I also try to explain why this is. You will not see people asking the other way round, because Macs and Windows PCs are established as tools for productivity and fun. The iPad, even ten years after its initial release isn't.
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Sorry that you feel this way. For me those threads are more about people being frustrated that they can't use the iPad the way they want to. It is not the fact that iPads are useless. Far from it. It is about personal needs and preferences.

To be honest I do not even stop thinking if it is fear or not. For me things are simpler. Look I either find right away the benefits of having a device and I buy it and use it or I don't. The notion of researching and trying to accommodate my workflow to fit into a device that price is just wrong for me. I do not have the time to waste on that.

For me personally it is all about efficiency. I find the tool that could make me the most productive and efficient one. In my case when it comes to taking digital notes and brainstorming or reading and highlighting the iPad is the best (with the help of Apple Pencil). When it comes to everything else I prefer my laptop because it is more comfortable and I can be faster on it. Can I potentially find workarounds for iPad? Most probably I can for the most part but why I should spend time in doing this? As of now I don't see a reason to do this. I love my laptop and I am not motivated in forcing myself to struggle with a device that as of now poses restriction for me.

I read those threads to see if someone had found an approach that could make me that efficient on an iPad. However as of now all I see is list of workarounds and acceptance that I will be slower on my iPad. This does not work for me. I am all for accepting new ways as long as it does not make me less efficient and it does not waste my time. The moment it start doing it I am out.
I agree 100%. It is frustrating to have a device like an iPad with so much power, and not being able to use it as you would like.
 
Sorry that you feel this way. For me those threads are more about people being frustrated that they can't use the iPad the way they want to. It is not the fact that iPads are useless. Far from it. It is about personal needs and preferences.

To be honest I do not even stop thinking if it is fear or not. For me things are simpler. Look I either find right away the benefits of having a device and I buy it and use it or I don't. The notion of researching and trying to accommodate my workflow to fit into a device that price is just wrong for me. I do not have the time to waste on that.

I see it as short-term pain for long-term gain.

I got my first iPad in 2012, and since then, I have been slowly but surely finding new ways of getting my work done on it. I guess it helps that the stuff I do on an iPad cannot be done on a laptop (or a Mac for that matter) anyways, so there really isn't any alternative or any turning back for me.

I am a teacher using his iPad in the classroom. It's mirrored to an Apple TV hooked up to the classroom projector. Mainly annotate on pdf documents in notability, and since I already spend so much time on it, it feels like a natural extension to see just how far I can go with it.

Then came storing my files in dropbox, synced to my iOS devices via the documents app. Which in turn also radically changed the way I work, from storing files in flash drives to dumping it all in the cloud, which has made things more convenient for me.

So yes, the initial first step was more cumbersome for me, but what I learnt was it was easy to fixate on the hurdles caused by the initial change, but it's way harder to anticipate how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal.

Teaching with an iPad in class frees me up to roam around the classroom, so I can monitor my students more closely. Moving to the cloud means I don't have to fiddle with external storage. My iPad's camera makes it extremely easy to take snapshots of my students' work for discussion purposes.

It wasn't cheap, it wasn't easy, but it was worth it.

For me personally it is all about efficiency. I find the tool that could make me the most productive and efficient one. In my case when it comes to taking digital notes and brainstorming or reading and highlighting the iPad is the best (with the help of Apple Pencil). When it comes to everything else I prefer my laptop because it is more comfortable and I can be faster on it. Can I potentially find workarounds for iPad? Most probably I can for the most part but why I should spend time in doing this? As of now I don't see a reason to do this. I love my laptop and I am not motivated in forcing myself to struggle with a device that as of now poses restriction for me.

Again, for me, it came down to short-term pain vs long term gain.

Let me use an example. As the Social Studies coordinator for my school, I send a weekly email update to my colleagues teaching that subject instructing them on what to do for that week's lessons. The backstory was that when I first took up the position, many teachers were either not teaching it (opting to use the Social Studies periods to cover other subjects, or just unfamiliar with the syllabus). The weekly lesson plan has the lesson details, plus resources attached inside.

I initially did this on a Mac. So what I would do was create a new email template, use a text expander shortcut to generate an appropriate title for the week, insert the instructions via Copied, then attach the files which I had already sorted by week (saved in dropbox).

I would subsequently migrate this workflow over to my iPad (and iPhone), using a shortcut I devised via the workflow (now known as shortcuts) app, which replicates the steps to crafting said email. It took me about half an hour of fiddling to get the shortcut up and running the way I wanted it to, but once it did, I was able to not only send out the 6 emails every week in less time, but also do it from anywhere and at anytime, without having to start up my Mac first.

The experience I gleaned from this task would also translate to crafting a couple more email templates for other purposes, as well as a few other shortcuts for assorted use cases.

I have been using said workflow for the third year running. Any time I invested in automating this process via the workflow app has long paid for itself. And the added bonus was that any workflow I had initially created for use on the iPad is also available on my iPhone, because they both share the same apps and settings. This makes me more accessible, because I am able to do more work from my iPhone and iPad, which are on me more often than my Mac, and benefit from always-on cellular.

In hindsight, what I learnt upon some reflecting was that because the Mac allowed me to brute-force my way through most activities without encountering too much pain, there was little incentive to automate those tasks, as macOS is just good enough that it's rarely worth my time to do so. Conversely, trying to perform a moderately complex task without the right app on iOS introduces so much friction that I feel compelled to automate them whenever possible.

I don't see it as a compromise. It is what it is, I did what I had to do for my job, and I am better off for it.

I read those threads to see if someone had found an approach that could make me that efficient on an iPad. However as of now all I see is list of workarounds and acceptance that I will be slower on my iPad. This does not work for me. I am all for accepting new ways as long as it does not make me less efficient and it does not waste my time. The moment it start doing it I am out.

I think that people also need to look beyond their own noses. After all, there was a time when the mouse was considered a gimmick and the command line was the more efficient way of working. "Productivity" is often limited to programming, excel, and CAD, as if no other type of profession exists.

As difficult as they are, we more often than not over-estimate platform shifts in the short term but under-estimate them in the long term. When Steve Jobs said that the iPad would be the car and the Mac would be the pickup truck, I think he too envisioned a future where it was 90% iOS and 10% OS X (as he called it then).

The thing about vision, which Steve had in spades, is you have to be able to look beyond the present and your current workflows, and realize that tools are always getting better. So when the iPad was introduced in 2010, I knew without a doubt that this would be the future. I also knew it would take a while before the hardware and software got to the point where it really could replace a Mac 90% of the time.

Getting there is only a matter of time. And probably sooner rather than later.
 
I see it as short-term pain for long-term gain.

I got my first iPad in 2012, and since then, I have been slowly but surely finding new ways of getting my work done on it. I guess it helps that the stuff I do on an iPad cannot be done on a laptop (or a Mac for that matter) anyways, so there really isn't any alternative or any turning back for me.

If you don't mind can you share the iPads you have owned throughout the years?

I am a teacher using his iPad in the classroom. It's mirrored to an Apple TV hooked up to the classroom projector. Mainly annotate on pdf documents in notability, and since I already spend so much time on it, it feels like a natural extension to see just how far I can go with it.

Sounds great! Problem is I do not own Apple TV and in my company we don't use Apple TVs :). And I do not plan buying Apple TV anytime soon so I would not invest in this in long term. Actually I do not have TV and I do not plan buying one anytime soon. I use my computer and just hook it up to an external big monitor for such activities. This is why for me it is important that the device I use can be hooked up to any external monitor (no matter if it's Apple or not).

Then came storing my files in dropbox, synced to my iOS devices via the documents app. Which in turn also radically changed the way I work, from storing files in flash drives to dumping it all in the cloud, which has made things more convenient for me.

I use OneDrive but the concept is similar. Problem is I have regularly issues with Files app. It is unresponsive and quite often I cannot store files on my iPhone and iPad. I can access files stored while using PC through OneDrive but my workflow on iPad constantly involves generating PDFs from web pages in Safari and I have issues storing them.

Teaching with an iPad in class frees me up to roam around the classroom, so I can monitor my students more closely. Moving to the cloud means I don't have to fiddle with external storage. My iPad's camera makes it extremely easy to take snapshots of my students' work for discussion purposes.

This sounds good. While I am totally OK with using cloud I want to have the other option as well. Cloud requires Internet connection and I don't always have that. For the cases where I don't have Internet connection I want to have other means for working with files.

It wasn't cheap, it wasn't easy, but it was worth it.

That is a good point. I don't see it that worth it so I don't want to invest money or time :).

Let me use an example. As the Social Studies coordinator for my school, I send a weekly email update to my colleagues teaching that subject instructing them on what to do for that week's lessons. The backstory was that when I first took up the position, many teachers were either not teaching it (opting to use the Social Studies periods to cover other subjects, or just unfamiliar with the syllabus). The weekly lesson plan has the lesson details, plus resources attached inside.

I initially did this on a Mac. So what I would do was create a new email template, use a text expander shortcut to generate an appropriate title for the week, insert the instructions via Copied, then attach the files which I had already sorted by week (saved in dropbox).

I would subsequently migrate this workflow over to my iPad (and iPhone), using a shortcut I devised via the workflow (now known as shortcuts) app, which replicates the steps to crafting said email. It took me about half an hour of fiddling to get the shortcut up and running the way I wanted it to, but once it did, I was able to not only send out the 6 emails every week in less time, but also do it from anywhere and at anytime, without having to start up my Mac first.

This sounds great for work like that. I unfortunately do not have this case in my work. It's not so much about regular activities than day to day work with the mail app. Typing experience on software keyboards is nightmare for me. Hardware keyboards are better but still do not offer the ergonomics of desktop or laptop. I have wrist issues so this is very important for me. Also when my wrist issues flare up every touch on the screen to navigate through the iPad is painful.

I have been using said workflow for the third year running. Any time I invested in automating this process via the workflow app has long paid for itself. And the added bonus was that any workflow I had initially created for use on the iPad is also available on my iPhone, because they both share the same apps and settings. This makes me more accessible, because I am able to do more work from my iPhone and iPad, which are on me more often than my Mac, and benefit from always-on cellular.

Makes sense! Everything you can automate is better to automate for sure. Problem for me is that I do not have activities like that so while I love the idea of Shortcuts app I cannot take advantage of it.

I don't see it as a compromise. It is what it is, I did what I had to do for my job, and I am better off for it.

For you it was not though. You did not find workaround you found alternative way of doing things. Most of what you did still saves you time. For me this is not the case. I am a team lead of Software Developer team. I am mostly in meetings or working with big Excel files optimizing team planning. Or I read code and debug. None of this can be done on an iPad. Quite often I use options of apps (like OneNote, Excel, Powerpoint, Chrome etc) that are not offered in their iOS counterparts. They are available only on their desktop versions. Other apps (like Eclipse, GIT, UML tools and other Software Development tools) are not even available on an iPad.
 
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I see it as short-term pain for long-term gain.

I got my first iPad in 2012, and since then, I have been slowly but surely finding new ways of getting my work done on it. I guess it helps that the stuff I do on an iPad cannot be done on a laptop (or a Mac for that matter) anyways, so there really isn't any alternative or any turning back for me.

I am a teacher using his iPad in the classroom. It's mirrored to an Apple TV hooked up to the classroom projector. Mainly annotate on pdf documents in notability, and since I already spend so much time on it, it feels like a natural extension to see just how far I can go with it.

Then came storing my files in dropbox, synced to my iOS devices via the documents app. Which in turn also radically changed the way I work, from storing files in flash drives to dumping it all in the cloud, which has made things more convenient for me.

So yes, the initial first step was more cumbersome for me, but what I learnt was it was easy to fixate on the hurdles caused by the initial change, but it's way harder to anticipate how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal.

Teaching with an iPad in class frees me up to roam around the classroom, so I can monitor my students more closely. Moving to the cloud means I don't have to fiddle with external storage. My iPad's camera makes it extremely easy to take snapshots of my students' work for discussion purposes.

It wasn't cheap, it wasn't easy, but it was worth it.



Again, for me, it came down to short-term pain vs long term gain.

Let me use an example. As the Social Studies coordinator for my school, I send a weekly email update to my colleagues teaching that subject instructing them on what to do for that week's lessons. The backstory was that when I first took up the position, many teachers were either not teaching it (opting to use the Social Studies periods to cover other subjects, or just unfamiliar with the syllabus). The weekly lesson plan has the lesson details, plus resources attached inside.

I initially did this on a Mac. So what I would do was create a new email template, use a text expander shortcut to generate an appropriate title for the week, insert the instructions via Copied, then attach the files which I had already sorted by week (saved in dropbox).

I would subsequently migrate this workflow over to my iPad (and iPhone), using a shortcut I devised via the workflow (now known as shortcuts) app, which replicates the steps to crafting said email. It took me about half an hour of fiddling to get the shortcut up and running the way I wanted it to, but once it did, I was able to not only send out the 6 emails every week in less time, but also do it from anywhere and at anytime, without having to start up my Mac first.

The experience I gleaned from this task would also translate to crafting a couple more email templates for other purposes, as well as a few other shortcuts for assorted use cases.

I have been using said workflow for the third year running. Any time I invested in automating this process via the workflow app has long paid for itself. And the added bonus was that any workflow I had initially created for use on the iPad is also available on my iPhone, because they both share the same apps and settings. This makes me more accessible, because I am able to do more work from my iPhone and iPad, which are on me more often than my Mac, and benefit from always-on cellular.

In hindsight, what I learnt upon some reflecting was that because the Mac allowed me to brute-force my way through most activities without encountering too much pain, there was little incentive to automate those tasks, as macOS is just good enough that it's rarely worth my time to do so. Conversely, trying to perform a moderately complex task without the right app on iOS introduces so much friction that I feel compelled to automate them whenever possible.

I don't see it as a compromise. It is what it is, I did what I had to do for my job, and I am better off for it.



I think that people also need to look beyond their own noses. After all, there was a time when the mouse was considered a gimmick and the command line was the more efficient way of working. "Productivity" is often limited to programming, excel, and CAD, as if no other type of profession exists.

As difficult as they are, we more often than not over-estimate platform shifts in the short term but under-estimate them in the long term. When Steve Jobs said that the iPad would be the car and the Mac would be the pickup truck, I think he too envisioned a future where it was 90% iOS and 10% OS X (as he called it then).

The thing about vision, which Steve had in spades, is you have to be able to look beyond the present and your current workflows, and realize that tools are always getting better. So when the iPad was introduced in 2010, I knew without a doubt that this would be the future. I also knew it would take a while before the hardware and software got to the point where it really could replace a Mac 90% of the time.

Getting there is only a matter of time. And probably sooner rather than later.
I think people have different use cases for a computer. Some can easily replace a computer with an iPad and for others that require the use of specialist programmes or just need to do lots of work in tandem a computer is a better device for them.

However I think it’s worth noting that a lot of people only really use their computers for social media, web browsing, photo and music management, emails and other forms of communication, online shopping and banking and playing games. For this growing population a tablet is more than sufficient to suit their needs.
 
I think people have different use cases for a computer. Some can easily replace a computer with an iPad and for others that require the use of specialist programmes or just need to do lots of work in tandem a computer is a better device for them.

I agree with that!

However I think it’s worth noting that a lot of people only really use their computers for social media, web browsing, photo and music management, emails and other forms of communication, online shopping and banking and playing games. For this growing population a tablet is more than sufficient to suit their needs.

This is true. Indeed you captured the computer usage for most of the people around the world. I know that this is what my mother is doing.

To be honest that is 90 % of my usage as well (at home). Problem is the way I am doing that stuff - mostly in bed/coach where ergonomics wise I find better to have my laptop on my lap than the iPad with its keyboard. I hate software keyboards and I do not like to use them for more than typing a sentence of two.

The other problem is the way I do it - I open multiple windows of the same apps and use Youtube as background music player. Something mobile OS currently do not support.

That being said I do believe that there are enough people that can go by just using tablet and I mean regular iPad. However maybe the people posting here are the small percentage that is not that group of people.
 
I agree with that!



This is true. Indeed you captured the computer usage for most of the people around the world. I know that this is what my mother is doing.

To be honest that is 90 % of my usage as well (at home). Problem is the way I am doing that stuff - mostly in bed/coach where ergonomics wise I find better to have my laptop on my lap than the iPad with its keyboard. I hate software keyboards and I do not like to use them for more than typing a sentence of two.

The other problem is the way I do it - I open multiple windows of the same apps and use Youtube as background music player. Something mobile OS currently do not support.

That being said I do believe that there are enough people that can go by just using tablet and I mean regular iPad. However maybe the people posting here are the small percentage that is not that group of people.

I think the iPad mini is the limit of the size I can comfortably type on an onscreen keyboard. On my iPad Pro I have to have the Smart Keyboard attached to it all the time because it’s too big and uncomfortable to use the onscreen keyboard.

I can use YouTube as a background player but that’s because I pay for YouTube premium. I agree though opening multiple windows just doesn’t work on the iPad.


I guess these are really first world problems and many of us are fortunate to own both a computer and an iPad so we don’t have to limit ourselves to one device.
 
I think the iPad mini is the limit of the size I can comfortably type on an onscreen keyboard. On my iPad Pro I have to have the Smart Keyboard attached to it all the time because it’s too big and uncomfortable to use the onscreen keyboard.

You are better than me. I cannot type with software keyboard period. I type quite fast on hardware keyboard (because I use at least 8 of my fingers). I hate that I am slower with software keyboard and I get frustrated.

I can use YouTube as a background player but that’s because I pay for YouTube premium. I agree though opening multiple windows just doesn’t work on the iPad.

We will see with iOS 13 if this can be improved.

I guess these are really first world problems and many of us are fortunate to own both a computer and an iPad so we don’t have to limit ourselves to one device.

True that. A lot of people do not have the possibility to choose.
 
If you don't mind can you share the iPads you have owned throughout the years?

Ipad 3, iPad mini 2, 9.7” iPad Pro with Apple Pencil, 11” iPad Pro (currently) with Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard.

Sounds great! Problem is I do not own Apple TV and in my company we don't use Apple TVs :). And I do not plan buying Apple TV anytime soon so I would not invest in this in long term. Actually I do not have TV and I do not plan buying one anytime soon. I use my computer and just hook it up to an external big monitor for such activities. This is why for me it is important that the device I use can be hooked up to any external monitor (no matter if it's Apple or not).

I do have adaptors when I need to project my ipad to a larger screen (typically for presentations), but the ipad isn’t really designed to be used in tandem with an external display.

I use OneDrive but the concept is similar. Problem is I have regularly issues with Files app. It is unresponsive and quite often I cannot store files on my iPhone and iPad. I can access files stored while using PC through OneDrive but my workflow on iPad constantly involves generating PDFs from web pages in Safari and I have issues storing them.

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/giving-the-ipad-a-full-time-job-3ae2440e1810/

Here’s an article written by a web developer who has managed to transition his work to an iPad. Scroll down to the middle and he talks about how he created a workflow that automates the process of saving a website as a pdf to a specific folder and annotate on them as a markdown file.

Not saying I expect you to do the same; simply pointing out that it has been done, though I acknowledge that it’s not feasible to expect everyone to do the same via shortcuts.

It could also be a onedrive issue though. I have both Dropbox and onedrive, and while I keep trying to move to onedrive so I can drop my Dropbox subscription, I find Dropbox just seems more reliable and better supported overall.

This sounds good. While I am totally OK with using cloud I want to have the other option as well. Cloud requires Internet connection and I don't always have that. For the cases where I don't have Internet connection I want to have other means for working with files.

I have fairly reliable cellular connection and I guess I have taken it for granted. I pretty just work out of Dropbox.

That is a good point. I don't see it that worth it so I don't want to invest money or time :).

Fair enough.

This sounds great for work like that. I unfortunately do not have this case in my work. It's not so much about regular activities than day to day work with the mail app. Typing experience on software keyboards is nightmare for me. Hardware keyboards are better but still do not offer the ergonomics of desktop or laptop. I have wrist issues so this is very important for me. Also when my wrist issues flare up every touch on the screen to navigate through the iPad is painful.

No pressure. Don’t use an ipad if it doesn’t meet your needs. I am because it does.

Makes sense! Everything you can automate is better to automate for sure. Problem for me is that I do not have activities like that so while I love the idea of Shortcuts app I cannot take advantage of it.

It took me the longest time before I finally made the first useful workflow for myself. The workflow app came out in 2016, but I just didn’t get round to making anything useful until one fine day, something just clicked in my head.

I think it’s really a mindset thing. To know what workflow to create, you have to first be able to identify a particular task or activity that you carry out on a regular basis and could benefit from automation. Then figure out how best to recreate that desired outcome in shortcuts.

For you it was not though. You did not find workaround you found alternative way of doing things. Most of what you did still saves you time. For me this is not the case. I am a team lead of Software Developer team. I am mostly in meetings or working with big Excel files optimizing team planning. Or I read code and debug. None of this can be done on an iPad. Quite often I use options of apps (like OneNote, Excel, Powerpoint, Chrome etc) that are not offered in their iOS counterparts. They are available only on their desktop versions. Other apps (like Eclipse, GIT, UML tools and other Software Development tools) are not even available on an iPad.

I guess what really irks me is people claiming the ipad is crippled And dismissing it outright because of this or that, when in reality, there are people using it for work.

That’s why I think any such conversation could be so much more meaningful if people saw the ipad as a laptop alternative, not a laptop replacement.

That’s not an iPad limitation. Instead, it's a source of incredible value for the iPad. If the iPad was a genuine laptop replacement, able to handle all of the tasks that are currently given to laptops, my suspicion is the iPad wouldn’t be as compelling of a product to so many people. Instead, it would be a compromised machine.

The focus should be on what the device is ultimately designed to do. The iPhone and iPad aren't designed to handle every imaginable workflow given to laptops. Therefore, neither device is a laptop replacement. Instead, iPhones and iPads are laptop alternatives because they are designed to handle some of the workflows given to laptops.

If we can be totally objective about this, future subsequent would be so much more productive, rather than the endless torrent of “the ipad is useless because it lacks external drive or mouse support” criticism.

Just my two cents.
 
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I read those threads to see if someone had found an approach that could make me that efficient on an iPad. However as of now all I see is list of workarounds and acceptance that I will be slower on my iPad. This does not work for me. I am all for accepting new ways as long as it does not make me less efficient and it does not waste my time. The moment it start doing it I am out.

This sums it up and I agree 100%.

I've used iPad twice for an extended period (couple of months) of time. After intial honeymoon period I found myself using other devices (either more portable or more usable) more and eventually sold it.
 
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Ipad 3, iPad mini 2, 9.7” iPad Pro with Apple Pencil, 11” iPad Pro (currently) with Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard.

Sounds like you have tried out different options :). At this point do you owe one iPad or more than one but in different sizes?

I do have adaptors when I need to project my ipad to a larger screen (typically for presentations), but the ipad isn’t really designed to be used in tandem with an external display.

Yes as of now it is not designed.

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/giving-the-ipad-a-full-time-job-3ae2440e1810/

Here’s an article written by a web developer who has managed to transition his work to an iPad. Scroll down to the middle and he talks about how he created a workflow that automates the process of saving a website as a pdf to a specific folder and annotate on them as a markdown file.

Not saying I expect you to do the same; simply pointing out that it has been done, though I acknowledge that it’s not feasible to expect everyone to do the same via shortcuts.

Thanks! I will check it out! Sounds useful to me!

It could also be a onedrive issue though. I have both Dropbox and onedrive, and while I keep trying to move to onedrive so I can drop my Dropbox subscription, I find Dropbox just seems more reliable and better supported overall.

I cannot avoid using OneDrive. It is what we are using at work so changing the cloud is not an option for me unfortunately. Plus I am not even sure that it is OneDrive issue. I cannot store it anywhere. Files app is just unresponsive. It shows me all options for storing but they are all greyed out and I cannot choose anything. Or I can select an option but then ends up in Loading status and does nothing. It is some bug in Files app that I encounter every day at least 2 times. It is so annoying and frustrating because it is exactly the times I really want to store something.

I have fairly reliable cellular connection and I guess I have taken it for granted. I pretty just work out of Dropbox.

I guess it is also about the personality. I like to be prepared for all sort of situations.

No pressure. Don’t use an ipad if it doesn’t meet your needs. I am because it does.

I use it for Pencil stuff that I cannot do on my computers.

It took me the longest time before I finally made the first useful workflow for myself. The workflow app came out in 2016, but I just didn’t get round to making anything useful until one fine day, something just clicked in my head.

Yeah I have been searching through some articles on the Shortcuts app and basically gather ideas on stuff to automate. Problems is I cannot find anything useful as most of the stuff mentioned are not relevant for my workflow and general usage.

I think it’s really a mindset thing. To know what workflow to create, you have to first be able to identify a particular task or activity that you carry out on a regular basis and could benefit from automation. Then figure out how best to recreate that desired outcome in shortcuts.

This is true and I agree with you. However in my case this is not that much as an issue as this is my work basically. My work is to automate processes. I mostly gather requirements and identify algorithms on how to transform into software code.

I guess what really irks me is people claiming the ipad is crippled And dismissing it outright because of this or that, when in reality, there are people using it for work.

People can use it for work for sure. It really depends on your company and the infrastructure as a whole. My company is all Windows when it comes to computers. We do have corporate iPhone but honestly that is mostly because iOS gives them an option to configure and administrate the phones better. As a whole we have Microsoft environment and rely on Microsoft software.

That’s why I think any such conversation could be so much more meaningful if people saw the ipad as a laptop alternative, not a laptop replacement.

I agree with this with one note. The last iPad Pros are really expensive and do fall into full blown Windows laptops price wise. This is why people get carried away and compare them.

That’s not an iPad limitation. Instead, it's a source of incredible value for the iPad. If the iPad was a genuine laptop replacement, able to handle all of the tasks that are currently given to laptops, my suspicion is the iPad wouldn’t be as compelling of a product to so many people. Instead, it would be a compromised machine.

iPads cannot and should not carry on the tasks laptops/computers do the same way. That being said for the iPad to be good alternative it should be able to accomplish the most used tasks in some way that is not cumbersome or convoluted. And the conversation should be focused on this.

The focus should be on what the device is ultimately designed to do. The iPhone and iPad aren't designed to handle every imaginable workflow given to laptops. Therefore, neither device is a laptop replacement. Instead, iPhones and iPads are laptop alternatives because they are designed to handle some of the workflows given to laptops.

Agree. And that works for regular iPad and I can take that. For the price of the new iPad Pros I expect far more. My current laptop (that I bought November 2017) costed less than the new iPad Pros and can do much more and it is far easier for me to upgrade it and make it even better. This is the issue for me. For that price some people just have higher expectations. And the truth is somewhere in the middle. Do I think that iPads should be able to do everything that a regular computer can do? No. Do I think that it should offer more for that price tag. Yes. At least for me.

If we can be totally objective about this, future subsequent would be so much more productive, rather than the endless torrent of “the ipad is useless because it lacks external drive or mouse support” criticism.
Just my two cents.

I would not say that the iPad is useless if it does not support mouse or external USB drive. That being said it will be far more used by me if it had those two things.

My general weekly screen time for my iPad is around 12 to 13 hours and sometimes even less. When it comes to my laptop is around 30 to 35 hours and sometimes even more. Honestly if I am at home and I have both the laptop and the iPad I go to the laptop unless it is something Pencil related that I can do only on my iPad. I love the bigger screen estate of the laptop (the fact that I can hook up external monitor helps even more), the fact that I can put it on my lap without issues while in bed, the trackpad and the bigger keyboard (improves my typing experience especially in bed).
 
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Sounds like you have tried out different options :). At this point do you owe one iPad or more than one but in different sizes?

Just my current 11" iPad Pro. I sold off my iPad 3 when I upgraded, then gave my iPad mini 2 to my dad when I got the 9.7" iPad Pro. I then handed my iPad Pro to him when I upgraded (partly because the 9.7" iPad's battery life was deteriorating to the point where it would not make it through a work day at times, but also because the previous iPad mini's screen was starting to fail.

I have briefly flirted with the idea of a dual-pad lifestyle (I initially got the 12.9" iPad Pro, but returned that for the smaller iPad as it proved to be too big and bulky), but just could not justify it from a cost perspective.

Yeah I have been searching through some articles on the Shortcuts app and basically gather ideas on stuff to automate. Problems is I cannot find anything useful as most of the stuff mentioned are not relevant for my workflow and general usage.

I know that feeling. Like I said earlier, I had the workflow app installed on my iOS devices for 2 years before I started doing anything useful with it.

People can use it for work for sure. It really depends on your company and the infrastructure as a whole. My company is all Windows when it comes to computers. We do have corporate iPhone but honestly that is mostly because iOS gives them an option to configure and administrate the phones better. As a whole we have Microsoft environment and rely on Microsoft software.

I guess that working in a school gives me a lot more leeway in terms of what hardware I can use. I got my first iPad 3 precisely because I was dissatisfied with the touchscreen laptops they issued us. It is thick and heavy and bulky, with short battery life, and admin restrictions meant not having access to a ton of software I wanted. An iPad was simply more portable at the time.

So it started with an iPad for notability, then scanner pro. Then the inconvenience of getting files onto the iPad meant moving them to the cloud. Then I would discover this fledgling blog by some Italian dude who had just recovered from cancer and was using his iPad for writing, and I would basically buy just about every app he recommended (he probably earned quite a bit of referral income from me). So if I sometimes sound very defensive of Federicco Viticci, that's because he made me into the iPad user I am today, and I will always respect him for that.

Then in 2015, the Apple TV supported peer-to-peer airplay, meaning I no longer needed a dedicated router (plus its own 4g dongle + separate data plan) to mirror my iPad. 2016 brought the Apple Pencil, split-screen multitasking and PIP (RIP Protube). :(

2017 brought us improved split-screen support, a revised dock and drag-and-drop (which took me a while to get the hang of).

If I have one criticism of Apple, it's that they really took their own sweet time to drip-feed us with all these iPad updates, but I have no regrets. Apple really got the core experience right. Take everything else away, and I would still use the iPad for what I do.

My general weekly screen time for my iPad is around 12 to 13 hours and sometimes even less. When it comes to my laptop is around 30 to 35 hours and sometimes even more. Honestly if I am at home and I have both the laptop and the iPad I go to the laptop unless it is something Pencil related that I can do only on my iPad. I love the bigger screen estate of the laptop (the fact that I can hook up external monitor helps even more), the fact that I can put it on my lap without issues while in bed, the trackpad and the bigger keyboard (improves my typing experience especially in bed).

My 2012 MBA is collecting dust in some drawer somewhere. My school issues us with the HP Elitex2 tablet but it's really not designed to be used on the lap. I am currently typing this from my 5k iMac but I am more comfortable using a tablet in bed or on the sofa.

Let's be happy that we have options. :)
 
Just my current 11" iPad Pro. I sold off my iPad 3 when I upgraded, then gave my iPad mini 2 to my dad when I got the 9.7" iPad Pro. I then handed my iPad Pro to him when I upgraded (partly because the 9.7" iPad's battery life was deteriorating to the point where it would not make it through a work day at times, but also because the previous iPad mini's screen was starting to fail.

I have briefly flirted with the idea of a dual-pad lifestyle (I initially got the 12.9" iPad Pro, but returned that for the smaller iPad as it proved to be too big and bulky), but just could not justify it from a cost perspective.

Makes sense :).

I know that feeling. Like I said earlier, I had the workflow app installed on my iOS devices for 2 years before I started doing anything useful with it.

What other shortcuts have you created for yourself?

If I have one criticism of Apple, it's that they really took their own sweet time to drip-feed us with all these iPad updates, but I have no regrets. Apple really got the core experience right. Take everything else away, and I would still use the iPad for what I do.

You kind of experienced the iPad evolution first hand :). I bought my iPad to use it for work but it is not a corporate device. This means that I cannot use the iOS Mail app to access company mails for example. I also cannot access some of the work assets. I can ask them to configure the iPad as corporate device but then I will get restricted in other ways (through company MDM) and I do not want that because the iPad is owned by myself and I paid for it.

I work in a big enough software company that cares a lot about security. You are not allowed to access and work with company stuff unless you use corporate devices or the secured company OneDrive. At work we use Dell laptops (14 inch touch screen). Only iOS Developers have MacBooks because they need them to write iOS code :). We rely on HDMI for sharing screens and on HP WIFI printers. Overall the infrastructure we have is really not Apple friendly and as a result I cannot take advantage of a lot of things you can :).

My 2012 MBA is collecting dust in some drawer somewhere. My school issues us with the HP Elitex2 tablet but it's really not designed to be used on the lap. I am currently typing this from my 5k iMac but I am more comfortable using a tablet in bed or on the sofa.

So true. My mother cannot afford laptop or iPad for that matter. She gets to use my older devices when I decide to upgrade. There are a lot of people like her. We should feel lucky that we can get to own those devices and choose between them.
 
What other shortcuts have you created for yourself?
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Here are the shortcuts I am currently using. I didn’t create them all (I lack the programming experience to go beyond basic scripting language). Quite a few were modified from existing workflows I came across on the web.

Music / chill mix simply bring me straight to the respective sections in the Apple Music app, though I have since moved on to Soor (a third party Apple Music player app).

The next 3 are email templates I use from time to time. As a key appointment holder in my school, I am tasked to do relief planning for teachers who are not around for a term.

So in the first part of the year, I had teachers texting / emailing me throughout day, and I needed a way to keep track of them all as they came in. Relief (whole day) basically adds the teacher as a calendar entry, which I view in the google calendar app. Who needs relief is a variation of a shortcut I discovered which checks your selected calendar for entries. The effect I that it informs me who will not be in school on that day, and works great with Siri.

These shortcuts were quite useful for the first three months of the year, and I should use them again next year.

As a teacher, my meal times are irregular (basically whenever I have free periods). I have the contact numbers of all the canteen stall vendors, plus the meals they serve. “Order food from canteen” brings up a menu asking me what food I would like to order, what time I will be down to collect it, and it then sends a WhatsApp message to that vendor. This way, the food is ready for collection by the time I get down, which is handy because dishes like fried rice take time to prepare, and the vendors will not have the time to do so while serving the students as well.

It admittedly sounds (and probably is) a tad over-engineered, but I just felt inspired that day.

Open google doc - contains links to a couple of google docs which I access on a regular basis. It opens the document directly. Useful for aggregating documents from multiple gmail accounts, and faster than navigating from the google drive app.

No paywall opens a link in outline, which lets me read articles like those from WSJ without having to first subscribe. Amazon Price history tracks the pricing trends of a product, letting me know when a good time to buy is. Site search lets me search within a website, replicating the google advanced search feature. Manage iOS subscriptions simply brings up the subscriptions page from the iTunes app. Convert to JPG was created to convert any images I upload to google drive from HEIC to JPG, because some of my colleagues with android devices were having issues viewing them. YouTube downloaded is there to rip video files from YouTube, because I can’t airplay YouTube content to my Apple TV (it instead keeps trying to play from the tv’s youtube app, which fails because it isn’t connected to the internet).

That’s that in a nutshell.
 
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Here are the shortcuts I am currently using. I didn’t create them all (I lack the programming experience to go beyond basic scripting language). Quite a few were modified from existing workflows I came across on the web.

Music / chill mix simply bring me straight to the respective sections in the Apple Music app, though I have since moved on to Soor (a third party Apple Music player app).

The next 3 are email templates I use from time to time. As a key appointment holder in my school, I am tasked to do relief planning for teachers who are not around for a term.

So in the first part of the year, I had teachers texting / emailing me throughout day, and I needed a way to keep track of them all as they came in. Relief (whole day) basically adds the teacher as a calendar entry, which I view in the google calendar app. Who needs relief is a variation of a shortcut I discovered which checks your selected calendar for entries. The effect I that it informs me who will not be in school on that day, and works great with Siri.

These shortcuts were quite useful for the first three months of the year, and I should use them again next year.

As a teacher, my meal times are irregular (basically whenever I have free periods). I have the contact numbers of all the canteen stall vendors, plus the meals they serve. “Order food from canteen” brings up a menu asking me what food I would like to order, what time I will be down to collect it, and it then sends a WhatsApp message to that vendor. This way, the food is ready for collection by the time I get down, which is handy because dishes like fried rice take time to prepare, and the vendors will not have the time to do so while serving the students as well.

It admittedly sounds (and probably is) a tad over-engineered, but I just felt inspired that day.

Open google doc - contains links to a couple of google docs which I access on a regular basis. It opens the document directly. Useful for aggregating documents from multiple gmail accounts, and faster than navigating from the google drive app.

No paywall opens a link in outline, which lets me read articles like those from WSJ without having to first subscribe. Amazon Price history tracks the pricing trends of a product, letting me know when a good time to buy is. Site search lets me search within a website, replicating the google advanced search feature. Manage iOS subscriptions simply brings up the subscriptions page from the iTunes app. Convert to JPG was created to convert any images I upload to google drive from HEIC to JPG, because some of my colleagues with android devices were having issues viewing them. YouTube downloaded is there to rip video files from YouTube, because I can’t airplay YouTube content to my Apple TV (it instead keeps trying to play from the tv’s youtube app, which fails because it isn’t connected to the internet).

That’s that in a nutshell.
347364597578068be6e4696ee79b6092.jpg


Here are the shortcuts I am currently using. I didn’t create them all (I lack the programming experience to go beyond basic scripting language). Quite a few were modified from existing workflows I came across on the web.

Music / chill mix simply bring me straight to the respective sections in the Apple Music app, though I have since moved on to Soor (a third party Apple Music player app).

The next 3 are email templates I use from time to time. As a key appointment holder in my school, I am tasked to do relief planning for teachers who are not around for a term.

So in the first part of the year, I had teachers texting / emailing me throughout day, and I needed a way to keep track of them all as they came in. Relief (whole day) basically adds the teacher as a calendar entry, which I view in the google calendar app. Who needs relief is a variation of a shortcut I discovered which checks your selected calendar for entries. The effect I that it informs me who will not be in school on that day, and works great with Siri.

These shortcuts were quite useful for the first three months of the year, and I should use them again next year.

As a teacher, my meal times are irregular (basically whenever I have free periods). I have the contact numbers of all the canteen stall vendors, plus the meals they serve. “Order food from canteen” brings up a menu asking me what food I would like to order, what time I will be down to collect it, and it then sends a WhatsApp message to that vendor. This way, the food is ready for collection by the time I get down, which is handy because dishes like fried rice take time to prepare, and the vendors will not have the time to do so while serving the students as well.

It admittedly sounds (and probably is) a tad over-engineered, but I just felt inspired that day.

Open google doc - contains links to a couple of google docs which I access on a regular basis. It opens the document directly. Useful for aggregating documents from multiple gmail accounts, and faster than navigating from the google drive app.

No paywall opens a link in outline, which lets me read articles like those from WSJ without having to first subscribe. Amazon Price history tracks the pricing trends of a product, letting me know when a good time to buy is. Site search lets me search within a website, replicating the google advanced search feature. Manage iOS subscriptions simply brings up the subscriptions page from the iTunes app. Convert to JPG was created to convert any images I upload to google drive from HEIC to JPG, because some of my colleagues with android devices were having issues viewing them. YouTube downloaded is there to rip video files from YouTube, because I can’t airplay YouTube content to my Apple TV (it instead keeps trying to play from the tv’s youtube app, which fails because it isn’t connected to the internet).

That’s that in a nutshell.


I don't always agree with your comments in support of Apple but I salute you for the time and effort you have put in to make your iPad as useful as is possible. Good work :)
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Only a couple of days until we find out what iOS 13 brings us. I am guessing it won't be enough to make you want to keep it - we'll see.

I agree with your prediction. I would like to be proved wrong but there have been so many lacklustre presentations by Apple over the past while. With their Mac problems/issues, denial of poor hardware, drop in phone sales etc. one would imagine that they have seen the light and are in overdrive to get things moving in a better direction, but.....
 
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Thanks for taking the time and efforts to share your shortcuts! I deleted the image in my answer to improve the reading experience for others.

Here are the shortcuts I am currently using. I didn’t create them all (I lack the programming experience to go beyond basic scripting language). Quite a few were modified from existing workflows I came across on the web.

Makes sense to edit them :). Any sources for shortcuts that you can share?

Music / chill mix simply bring me straight to the respective sections in the Apple Music app, though I have since moved on to Soor (a third party Apple Music player app).

Makes sense. For now I do not use the iOS devices for music that much as I have great MP3 player that supports noise cancelling when using with its headphones. I have to check those shortcuts though for the rare cases when I decide to use my iPad/iPhone for music.

It admittedly sounds (and probably is) a tad over-engineered, but I just felt inspired that day.

Nope. If you ask me that's the idea of the Shortcuts app. Its whole purpose is to find ways to improve your workflow and to automate all repetitive work or to speed up tasks that require a lot of apps and steps.

Open google doc - contains links to a couple of google docs which I access on a regular basis. It opens the document directly. Useful for aggregating documents from multiple gmail accounts, and faster than navigating from the google drive app.

Good idea! I might do this with OneDrive. I have work documents that I access on regular basis there.

YouTube downloaded is there to rip video files from YouTube, because I can’t airplay YouTube content to my Apple TV (it instead keeps trying to play from the tv’s youtube app, which fails because it isn’t connected to the internet).

That’s that in a nutshell.

I have this YouTube download video shortcut app but I can't seem to make it work. I have to test it again.

The shortcut I spent the most time creating is a shortcut that checks my calendar for meetings that happened between 2 dates and then creates Note with those meetings. I have weekly meetings with my team and this way I can easily share what my past work week was. I had some issues accessing Calendar events properly as well as retrieving event details.
 
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