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Is it obivious that the iPhone 5S will be better than the Samsung Galaxy S4?
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Certainly your opinion. The iPhone 5 is still lacking a lot imo and thats without the screen being too small. There are many factors for me that makes me not even consider getting an iPhone.
Didn't we already go over this technarchy
We did...thoroughly. Beat to death even.
However, it is a universal example of why user experience is not entirely subjective.
It's pretty clear when using both that iOS provides a much smoother, and seamless experience.
I totally agree with this. IOS is smoother and more fluid today. But just like Windows was a resource hog compared to MacOS, hardware advances eventually allowed Windows to catch up. That seems to be happening now with Android. However, you would have to agree that Android's underpinnings (multi-tasking, IPC, etc) is superior and Apple has been slow to catch up because of their reliance on maintaining the user experience. Hardware is easier than software ultimately.
I think Windows sucks even with supremo hardware, but android has greatly benefited from advances in mobile hardware. Android 2013 is in a completely different universe compared to android 2010.
Adding a wall of hardware to iOS would do virtually nothing to improve the user experience because iOS is very lean and has little going on at any given moment compared to android. The end result being high fluidity and responsiveness, but a lower feature set compared to android.
I can understand why both camps prefer their brand of poison.
You also have to factor in the spec jumps in the new phones like the S4 add almost zero value. Like the Moto X engineer stated, the OS and apps are optimized to use dual core procs. On quad core or higher, the cpus are turned off to conserve battery. This is why they emulated Apples approach and just went dual core. Basically, Apple's iOS running on dual core is smoother than Android running on quad core.
For me, the biggest benefit to Android performance is not the CPU advances but the additional memory. 2 gigs of RAM does wonders for Android smoothness. At some point (real soon now), performance will be identical and Android will still have a more sophisticated feature set. iOS still needs major upgrades to its core. Reminds me of when Jobs had to bring in Next technology to improve the core of MacOS to compete with Windows 95/98 which offered preemptive multi-tasking and built in networking. Yeah, I'm old.
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I'm not seeing the more sophisticated feature set. Please enlighten.
Also, Android almost reminds me of Windows and Intel in a way. Keep making the user think they need faster and better hardware to run a bloated OS to keep the money flowing. iOS is proving otherwise by being efficient with less hardware.
Ultimately, Google will eventually drop Android and just go Chrome. It's a superior OS built on newer software tech and Google will have better control over it like Apple does. Google privately hates all the splintering and fragmentation mess they are currently in. Chrome is the answer. I give it 2 years or less for this to come to fruition.
I mentioned it a couple of times. A modern OS should have a multitasking and IPC among other things like an exposed file system. Android was built from the ground up with these features in mind. IOS still has to add it, maybe not the file system but the apps still have to be rewritten to take advantage of it.
I'm trying real hard not to start a war here. Just being up front about the differences. Apple made the right decision in 2007 given the state of hardware at the time. But in 2013, that decision is coming back to haunt them. Efficiency is great but sometimes it's easier to throw hardware at the problem instead of optimizing code.
History seems to repeat itself, doesn't it?
Download and transferring of data is incredibly quick here as well. Just took a plane ride this morning and while I was preparing media for the family before we departed, it took 1 hour to download a single movie (Epic) onto the iPad mini for my son. In that time, I ripped 5 movies to the desktop and then to the Sd card.
My wife had a movie on her i5 but didn't like it. It took me 3 minutes to copy a movie onto internal memory of the S4, popped it right back into my Note8 and resumed my movie right where I left off using MX player. Did this at 10,000 ft.
This obviously would've never of happened with our iDevices.
My wife loves her iPhones, but after she saw how easy that was, her one question to me was "do they make pretty swarovski cases for the Galaxy phones?".
Yep, used NFC with wifi direct to transfer entire movies from one GS3 to another and only took 5 minutes and that movie was over two hours long that took 5 minutes. Its usually a little quicker.
Good to hear. Can you recommend a tap to top solution? Actually scrolling is driving me bananas.
Just curious, what are those factors? What is it that the iPhone 5 cant do that you need throughout the day?
Well for me
1. Unable to switch keyboards
2. Inability to set default apps
3. Ease of attaching multiple different files to emails
4. Use torrents
5. Sideload apps not from play store 6. Watch videos in browser or pop-up on home screen.
7. View multiple apps on 1 sceeen
8. Use my smartphone to control my set top box, TV, xbox, etcetera.
9. Play emulators with or without a game controller
10. Access all my settings from notification bar.
11. Use widgets to display pertinent information without going to the app. Ex. Calendar widget.
12. Load custom roms for a different flavor when I feel like it.
13. Drag & drop files
14. Replace battery and add extra storage via micro SD card.
15. Use usb OTG cable to add even more storage options.
16. Connect 3rd party peripherals like bluetooth keyboards.
17. Use custom launchers for even more customizations
Note : some of these might be doable on iOS so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Note 2 : I use a 4s not a 5
You are correct Apple doesn't release sale number for specific phone models, but they did announce 5 mil sales in the first weekend.
And reports says that half the new iPhone sales are for the iPhone 5 and the other half are split between iPhone4/4S.
It was announced for Q1 they sold 48 million iPhones, if at least half are 5s then thats 24mil in Q1.
Q2 was announced for 32 mil iPhones sold. So roughly 16mil 5s.
Add those all together, 45mil. That does inlcude the rest of Q32012 or Q4. So those number are probably closer to 90-100mil iPhone 5s in 9 months.
So again, the S4 will not outsell the iP5 before the S5 is released.
I hate it when people ask this.
You don't know the differences between iOS and Android? Then why don't you research for yourself and find out how limited iOS really is?
It's such a stupid question to ask what can't be done in iOS... Have you ever used it? Do you own an iPhone or an iPad? Then you do know EXACTLY what it can and can't do!
Yeah. You are not a power user. All you use iOS for is to send emails, play games, Twitter, Facebook and search the web. And you think that's all people ask a phone or tablet to do?
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Bolded I agree with. Especially the email component, this is a big functionality issue - need to be able to add a document/PDF (or multiple files) the same way you can now attach pics and vids. The IR controller for TV and such is neat, and I use it on my HTC One, but its not all that imperitive IMO. I wouldn't say the iPhone is behind because of it - most of the time I still pick up the remote that came with my cable box because it offers more features/buttons than my HTC One does.
The others are really personal preference things. For instance, I can still type on my iPhone, still browse the web, load files through various means, play all kinds of games....all with a great user experience.
The italicized is coming with iOS 7. Perhaps not ALL your settings - but at least, for me, Control Center in iOS 7 has all the toggles I use in Power Toggles on my HTC One.
Anyways, torrents are actually doable (albeit, they require some setting up and technical expertise), and if you jailbreak you can do most of those things the way you want to do them.
Why? Its different for every user? Sometimes its good to hear specific issues people deal with on a daily basis.
Personally, I like to know what people feel they can't do because most of the time its not the functionality that's limited, just the choices you have with which to do said function.
For some people, that's a deal breaker. I, personally, feel I get a great user experience using Apple's services and apps and I prefer not to use a ton of services for the same or similar functions. Some people hate the user experience Apple offers with their apps and complain they can't change it. My comment would be to simply use and like Android. I always wonder why, given how easy it is to intergrate an Android device into an Apple-centric ecosystem (I have an HTC One in the middle of my iMac, Macbook Air, iPhone 5 and iPad mini), people feel the need to complain that the iPhone doesn't meet their needs - as if they are trapped getting an iPhone.
You can like Apple, but find their product doesn't work for you. And while a competitive Apple is good for the industry, Android seems to be growing just fine despite the fact that many think Apple has lost it (I don't think they have).
Good feedback. I figured some of these would be doable but probably just not as intuitive as android. Like the other day I found out you can download files from Dropbox to your iPhone but you hardly hear about this feature being touted for ios.
Have you tried the iR smart remote for S4? I believe it just got updated so it's compatible with the HTC one. It's very feature rich I might add.
Except he didn't say you can't type or browse on iOS. No one is claiming that. Once again, straw mans.
All he's pointing out are things iOS can't do. And all you're doing is essentially:
a) Deflecting away from the point by saying "well, we can still type on it" (duh). Why not also point out that iOS can launch apps in response to his point about "custom launchers"? [insert Nicholas Cage's "You Don't Say Meme?" here]
b) Telling us you don't care it can't do those things (preferences). Thanks for sharing, but do you not see how little that matters to someone who does care for those features?
I think the Dropbox deal isn't "touted" because its a pretty common sense thing.
IMO there is a lot of misinformation regarding what can and can't be done on iOS devices. People see red and go off without actually having a reasoned discussion and realizing "Hey, despite the fact this isn't the way I normally do "X", it can be done on the iPhone/iPad".
Pet peeve of mine - when I worked at BBY and I'd get customers coming in looking for a tablet. Being the Apple-fan I am, I'd always show them the iPad first if they didn't specify looking for an Android. What I hated was the customer mouthing off and saying "Oh the iPad can't do this or that - someone told me." When the fact was, it may not do the function the way they were accustomed to, but the functionality was most certainly there.
I haven't tried any iR app other than the default HTC One remote. Does the things I need it to. Lol, I guess this would be the perfect example of why I'm more of an iOS guy. There are probably plenty of apps out there that do all kinds of glorious things - I just don't really know or care haha
I don't doubt this, but his list was pretty accurate. You can't change keyboards in iOS (not without jailbreaking), for example.
Most of (if not all of) the rest of his list is also accurate. In this case, there is little to no misinformation (I say "little to no" because I don't know a few things on that list like, "USB OTG" cable stuff. Not sure what that is).
COUCH - I never said he said those things. Have you heard of examples? It's funny that you rail on me for insinuating things in your posts and go and do the same.
Again - NEVER did I claim he said those things. I merely used the "function vs option" argument. He listed not being able to change the default keyboard or browser. The FUNCTION is still there but the OPTIONS are not.
If you continue reading I go on to say this may be a big deal for some, but not a big deal for others. Its up to the user, and both instances are completely valid.
The point IS NOT that I can type on my iPhone. The POINT is while some want the options (for various valid reasons), there are many who can do the same functions without having to be able to change anything and like it.
I still wish you could answer the question at the end of that post. WHY do you care so much? Do you have some vested interest in Apple? Android is growing and evolving and doesn't need iOS to push it along. Android devices are incredibly capable and can be inserted into an all-Apple ecosystem with relative ease.
So why, when I simply state that some don't care/want the option, must you constantly chime in with these types of posts?
Lol - seriously.....hypocrite much?
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And if you notice, the poster has already commented back and we are having a good discussion - my post was deemed "good feedback".
No where in my comment that there is misinformation do I claim his post as misinformation. He even acknowledges there may be some error.
I feel like I'm in a bizarro world where we've suddenly switched roles and you are leaping to the defense of someone who doesn't need to be defended.