Is it obivious that the iPhone 5S will be better than the Samsung Galaxy S4?

[onthecouchagain]

COUCH - I never said he said those things. Have you heard of examples? It's funny that you rail on me for insinuating things in your posts and go and do the same.

Again - NEVER did I claim he said those things. I merely used the "function vs option" argument. He listed not being able to change the default keyboard or browser. The FUNCTION is still there but the OPTIONS are not.

If you continue reading I go on to say this may be a big deal for some, but not a big deal for others. Its up to the user, and both instances are completely valid.

The point IS NOT that I can type on my iPhone. The POINT is while some want the options (for various valid reasons), there are many who can do the same functions without having to be able to change anything and like it.

I still wish you could answer the question at the end of that post. WHY do you care so much? Do you have some vested interest in Apple? Android is growing and evolving and doesn't need iOS to push it along. Android devices are incredibly capable and can be inserted into an all-Apple ecosystem with relative ease.

So why, when I simply state that some don't care/want the option, must you constantly chime in with these types of posts?

Lol - seriously.....hypocrite much?

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And if you notice, the poster has already commented back and we are having a good discussion - my post was deemed "good feedback".

No where in my comment that there is misinformation do I claim his post as misinformation. He even acknowledges there may be some error.

I feel like I'm in a bizarro world where we've suddenly switched roles and you are leaping to the defense of someone who doesn't need to be defended.

Jrz, you wrote:

Bolded I agree with.

The others are really personal preference things. For instance, I can still type on my iPhone, still browse the web,...

Yes, I'm a hypocrite for thinking you were replying to other things in his list especially when you said "Bolded I agree with [insert your example of agreeing]..." then wrote in contrast to agreement... "The others are really personal preference things. For instance, I can still type [<-- an example of things you don't necessarily agree with him on]..."

Excuse me for "presuming" you were addressing other things in his list.

 

[jrswizzle]

Jrz, you wrote:




Yes, I'm a hypocrite for thinking you were replying to other things in his list especially when you said "Bolded I agree with [insert your example of agreeing]..." then wrote in contrast to agreement... "The others are really personal preference things. For instance, I can still type [<-- an example of things you don't necessarily agree with him on]..."

Excuse me for "presuming" you were addressing other things in his list.

Wrong - you're insinuating. I don't agree that not being able to change the keyboard is a detriment BECAUSE, I can still type on my iPhone with ease.

Or do you just change the keyboard for funsies?

I figured that would be easy enough to follow without including that I was disagreeing with the assertion that not being able to change the keyboard was a negative. The poster I quoted understood - not sure why you're having such a hard time?

Again - role reversal.....ha

 

[onthecouchagain]

Wrong - you're insinuating. I don't agree that not being able to change the keyboard is a detriment BECAUSE, I can still type on my iPhone with ease.

Or do you just change the keyboard for funsies?

I figured that would be easy enough to follow without including that I was disagreeing with the assertion that not being able to change the keyboard was a negative. The poster I quoted understood - not sure why you're having such a hard time?

Again - role reversal.....ha

Riiight. You quote his list, then essentially say I agree with some things and disagree with others. And I'm wrong to say the things you're disagreeing with him on are basically not on his list? Please remember, you're the one that said "The others are..." referring to the other things on his list following your post's logical order. Yes, how wrong of me to "insinuate" you're addressing things from his list.

I don't agree that not being able to change the keyboard is a detriment BECAUSE, I can still type on my iPhone with ease.

Um, thank you? This is precisely what I'm trying to point out? You say it's not a detriment because you can still type, except, that's not what he's saying is the detriment.

 

[jrswizzle]

Riiight. You quote his list, then essentially say I agree with some things and disagree with others. And I'm wrong to say the things you're disagreeing with him on are basically not on his list? Please remember, you're the one that said "The others are..." referring to the other things on his list following your post's logical order. Yes, how wrong of me to "insinuate" you're addressing things from his list.



Um, thank you? This is precisely what I'm trying to point out? You say it's not a detriment because you can still type, except, that's not what he's saying is the detriment.

*sigh*

I never said the TYPING is what he claims a detriment.

He says - not being able to change the keyboard is a negative.

I assume its a negative because he doesn't like the stock keyboard on iOS (why else would you want to change the keyboard).

I state I don't find the lack of keyboard options a detriment because I can still type on iOS WITH A GREAT USER EXPERIENCE (or with ease - I believe I say it that way later on as well).

Besides - why the hell are you even arguing here? I was never talking to you - I was responding to a poster and he understood what I meant. So really why are you even here? And why the hell do I need to explain this to you.

 

[Dontazemebro]

Both of you're right (somewhat) but my god it's like watching an old married couple in action :-D

 

[onthecouchagain]

*sigh*

I never said the TYPING is what he claims a detriment.

He says - not being able to change the keyboard is a negative.

I assume its a negative because he doesn't like the stock keyboard on iOS (why else would you want to change the keyboard).

I state I don't find the lack of keyboard options a detriment because I can still type on iOS WITH A GREAT USER EXPERIENCE (or with ease - I believe I say it that way later on as well).

Besides - why the hell are you even arguing here? I was never talking to you - I was responding to a poster and he understood what I meant. So really why are you even here? And why the hell do I need to explain this to you.

Then we're in agreement. You basically didn't address many of his points despite trying to lump them together into one convenient [but irrelevant to the quoted poster's points] response about preferences.

 

[Vegastouch]

Just curious, what are those factors? What is it that the iPhone 5 cant do that you need throughout the day?

Well for me

1. Unable to switch keyboards
2. Inability to set default apps
3. Ease of attaching multiple different files to emails
4. Use torrents
5. Sideload apps not from play store 6. Watch videos in browser or pop-up on home screen.
7. View multiple apps on 1 sceeen
8. Use my smartphone to control my set top box, TV, xbox, etcetera.
9. Play emulators with or without a game controller
10. Access all my settings from notification bar.
11. Use widgets to display pertinent information without going to the app. Ex. Calendar widget.
12. Load custom roms for a different flavor when I feel like it.
13. Drag & drop files
14. Replace battery and add extra storage via micro SD card.
15. Use usb OTG cable to add even more storage options.
16. Connect 3rd party peripherals like bluetooth keyboards.
17. Use custom launchers for even more customizations

Note : some of these might be doable on iOS so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Note 2 : I use a 4s not a 5

Add to that , sharing from Android is so easy and something iOS doesnt do as well using mulitple platforms to share to and the LED notification light is nice.

I mean really, if the guy had to ask, he obviously has never used a Android phone before. Just cutomizing my message app is a far cry from what you have on iOS.

 

[jrswizzle]

Then we're in agreement. You basically didn't address many of his points despite trying to lump them together into one convenient [but irrelevant to the quoted poster's points] response about preferences.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what you find "relevant" or otherwise.

Still wondering why you felt the need to butt in?

The poster found it somewhat relevant (I assume, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten a "good feedback" response). That's really all that matters.

 

[jrswizzle]

Sure - but again, those OPTIONS don't necessarily affect overall FUNCTION.

There are also things Android doesn't do as well as iOS.

Apple devices have their own appeal - and at this point, Android has progressed enough to where the choice isn't a big deal. Its not like a few years ago where Apple was top dog and you really were trapped with Apple in order to have a good user experience. If you don't like the way Apple does things, don't buy Apple.

It's really quite simple. Android is a great OS that works very well and has exploded.

 

[Assault]

You are correct Apple doesn't release sale number for specific phone models, but they did announce 5 mil sales in the first weekend.
And reports says that half the new iPhone sales are for the iPhone 5 and the other half are split between iPhone4/4S.
It was announced for Q1 they sold 48 million iPhones, if at least half are 5s then thats 24mil in Q1.
Q2 was announced for 32 mil iPhones sold. So roughly 16mil 5s.
Add those all together, 45mil. That does inlcude the rest of Q32012 or Q4. So those number are probably closer to 90-100mil iPhone 5s in 9 months.

So again, the S4 will not outsell the iP5 before the S5 is released.

Someone dooesn't know the difference between guessing (aka making sh#t up) and facts.

Here, let me make up some crap to counter your argument. Mind you, this is as baseless as your post. Samsung has sold 200 million S4's in 90 days. The S4 has sold more in 3 months than every iPhone has in a year. The end.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Sure - but again, those OPTIONS don't necessarily affect overall FUNCTION.

Of course it affects the overall function. Alternate keyboards make the function of typing easier, better, more intuitive (or worse, harder, less intuitive).

I think what you mean is, "doesn't take away the function" (which again, no one is claiming).

 

[solarguy17]

Someone dooesn't know the difference between guessing (aka making sh#t up) and facts.

Here, let me make up some crap to counter your argument. Mind you, this is as baseless as your post. Samsung has sold 200 million S4's in 90 days. The S4 has sold more in 3 months than every iPhone has in a year. The end.

Well lets try again, then

Wikipedia is reporting that for the 2 month period following the S4 launch 20 mil phones were sold.
Apple reported 48 total iPhones sold during Q2. Now tai to fact that 50% of iphone sales are iPhone 5s and you get 24mil iPhones 5s in Q2. Which of course is 1 month longer then the 2 month reporting period of Samsung.

So assuming sales are consistent Apple sold about 14mil phones in that same 2 month period.
The important thing to consider is is that more iphone 5s would been sold in the initial 2 month period simply because it was a launch. The fact that Apple still sold around 14 mil iphone 5s 6 months after launch is pretty impressive. And something that Samsung won't match.

I stand by my statement that the S4 (in its first year) will not outsell the iphone 5 (in its 1st yr).

 

[jrswizzle]

Of course it affects the overall function. Alternate keyboards make the function of typing easier, better, more intuitive (or worse, harder, less intuitive).

I think what you mean is, "doesn't take away the function" (which again, no one is claiming).

Preference. Subjective.

Definition of function:

"An activity or purpose natural to or intended for a person or thing."

Not HOW you do it, but the activity itself.

 

[asthamapheo]

it's your choice,
s4 has better specs than the 5s
s4 has better features than 5S (in my opinion)

5s has a fingerprint scanner, iOS7 and, and, and..... that's it

my opinion, go for the s4

but think about this first :"android vs iOS" and then go with the device you like.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Preference. Subjective.

Definition of function:

"An activity or purpose natural to or intended for a person or thing."

Not HOW you do it, but the activity itself.

Fair enough.

But I still don't get the point of pointing this out every time someone mentions those particular shortcomings of iOS.

Now that I have a little more time, let me dissect it for you:

That's like an iPhone user pointing out to a dumbphone user that the physical T9-key method of typing a text is inferior to the iPhone's method of typing with a full on-screen keyboard, and then having the dumbphone user say, "That's not detrimental because the dumbphone can still type."

Isn't that a) not relevant to the iPhone user's point; and b) already insanely obvious?

1) I can't set a different default browser

---But you can still browse.

2) I can't set a different default keyboard

---But you can still type

3) I can't set a different map system

---But you can still look up maps.

Don't you get that a user's desire to set a different default app is precisely because they don't want to use what's the forced default app? Your responses essentially remind them why they want to be able to set default apps in the first place and why the inability to do so is a shortcoming.

Is there not a default iOS app that you don't like that you wish you could set differently? Maps, maybe? Let's imagine it is Maps. Imagine if you didn't like Apple Maps (or imagine if you felt Google Maps or Waze or whatever else did maps better) and said "I wish I could set a different default map app" and someone's response to you is simply, "you can still use the function of mapping in Apple Maps."

What's that do for you? It should be nothing.

Anyway, having said all that, you're free to post whatever you want, of course. I just won't stand idly by when you try to play such responses off as if they're somehow addressing those particular shortcomings of iOS (but you know, I'm just "insinuating" that that's what you're doing. What a coincidence you only say "but I can still type" only after someone mentions "iOS doesn't let you change default keyboards." Pure coincidence!)

 

[Assault]

Well lets try again, then

Wikipedia is reporting that for the 2 month period following the S4 launch 20 mil phones were sold.
Apple reported 48 total iPhones sold during Q2. Now tai to fact that 50% of iphone sales are iPhone 5s and you get 24mil iPhones 5s in Q2. Which of course is 1 month longer then the 2 month reporting period of Samsung.

So assuming sales are consistent Apple sold about 14mil phones in that same 2 month period.
The important thing to consider is is that more iphone 5s would been sold in the initial 2 month period simply because it was a launch. The fact that Apple still sold around 14 mil iphone 5s 6 months after launch is pretty impressive. And something that Samsung won't match.

I stand by my statement that the S4 (in its first year) will not outsell the iphone 5 (in its 1st yr).

Let's try this again:

You use the word "assume". Might as well add these prepitory words: 'if' 'could' 'possibly' 'maybe' 'chances are' and so forth. Point is, your opinion is not fact. Your wishful thinking is not fact. Apple does not, nor have they, given sales data on a 'per device' basis.

You can keep assuming all you want and giving your opinion is fine. We all have one. Just don't attempt to propagandize your opinion as though it is fact and not expect to get called out on it.

 

[Assault]

post shortened for brevity

Couch, you might as well be talking to a wall with regards to jrswizzle. Just put him on ignore. He's beyond hopeless and will argue, just to argue. I enjoy the board so much more without him in it.

 

[mib1800]

Well lets try again, then

Wikipedia is reporting that for the 2 month period following the S4 launch 20 mil phones were sold.
Apple reported 48 total iPhones sold during Q2. Now tai to fact that 50% of iphone sales are iPhone 5s and you get 24mil iPhones 5s in Q2. Which of course is 1 month longer then the 2 month reporting period of Samsung.

So assuming sales are consistent Apple sold about 14mil phones in that same 2 month period.
The important thing to consider is is that more iphone 5s would been sold in the initial 2 month period simply because it was a launch. The fact that Apple still sold around 14 mil iphone 5s 6 months after launch is pretty impressive. And something that Samsung won't match.

I stand by my statement that the S4 (in its first year) will not outsell the iphone 5 (in its 1st yr).

Which Q2 are you refering to? The latest calendar quarter (Apr-Jun 2013) Apple reported 30mil phones sold total. Assuming 60% of those are Ip5 = 18mil. In the last 2 months of same quarter 24 mil S4 were sold. If we "extrapolate" for full 3 months then 36 mil S4 would have been sold. That's twice the volume of ip5.

But to be fair Apple, let's compare the quarter when Apple sold the most phones after the launch of ip5 i.e. 48mil. Taking the same 60-40 ratio, that translate to ~30mil Ip5. This is still lower than the s4.

But to be fair to Samsung, we should tally the S3/Note2 which are in the same premium range as the Ip5.

 

[jrswizzle]

Fair enough.

But I still don't get the point of pointing this out every time someone mentions those particular shortcomings of iOS.

Now that I have a little more time, let me dissect it for you:

That's like an iPhone user pointing out to a dumbphone user that the physical T9-key method of typing a text is inferior to the iPhone's method of typing with a full on-screen keyboard, and then having the dumbphone user say, "That's not detrimental because the dumbphone can still type."

Isn't that a) not relevant to the iPhone user's point; and b) already insanely obvious?

1) I can't set a different default browser

---But you can still browse.

2) I can't set a different default keyboard

---But you can still type

3) I can't set a different map system

---But you can still look up maps.

Don't you get that a user's desire to set a different default app is precisely because they don't want to use what's the forced default app? Your responses essentially remind them why they want to be able to set default apps in the first place and why the inability to do so is a shortcoming.

Is there not a default iOS app that you don't like that you wish you could set differently? Maps, maybe? Let's imagine it is Maps. Imagine if you didn't like Apple Maps (or imagine if you felt Google Maps or Waze or whatever else did maps better) and said "I wish I could set a different default map app" and someone's response to you is simply, "you can still use the function of mapping in Apple Maps."

What's that do for you? It should be nothing.

Anyway, having said all that, you're free to post whatever you want, of course. I just won't stand idly by when you try to play such responses off as if they're somehow addressing those particular shortcomings of iOS (but you know, I'm just "insinuating" that that's what you're doing. What a coincidence you only say "but I can still type" only after someone mentions "iOS doesn't let you change default keyboards." Pure coincidence!)

Sure - I actually agree with this.

You're taking this further than it needs to go. With regards to your example, a dumbphone user could very well say the T9 typing isn't a detriment because they still type easily and have no issues using it.

You seem to keep ignoring that last, most vital piece of what I said. The reason users want to change the keyboard is because they hate the iOS default. Fine - preference. Its up to each individual user. I'm simply pointing out that's a subjective preference for why YOU think Android is better. Not an objective knock on iOS BECAUSE there are plenty who type on the iOS keyboard AND like it/find it easy to use.

The poster listed his PERSONAL preferences. I listed mine from the opposite spectrum. In that small discussion, a reader sees both sides.

But, the reality is - none of it matters. If you want a phone that you change change and tweak and install different defaults, go for Android. Why does iOS need to change when millions of us ACTUALLY like it the way it is? (save for some obvious improvements like mail attachments).

I think that's where I get hung up on your posts the most. You claim to be a beacon of objectivity. But most of your posts are simply grumblings about subjective preferences that you say if fixed would make iOS better. Again, preference.

I prefer iOS (more-or-less) the way it is (granted I'm on iOS 7 so my view of the way it is may be vastly different than someone on iOS 6). You clearly prefer Android - so be done with iOS.

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Couch, you might as well be talking to a wall with regards to jrswizzle. Just put him on ignore. He's beyond hopeless and will argue, just to argue. I enjoy the board so much more without him in it.

Love you too Assault

 

[ReanimationN]

Couch, you might as well be talking to a wall with regards to jrswizzle. Just put him on ignore. He's beyond hopeless and will argue, just to argue. I enjoy the board so much more without him in it.

What on earth is so bad about what he posts? Even if you despise what he says, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that he adds a bit of balance to the discussions in here, instead of everything being a one-sided Android love-in (or an iOS bashing session) all the time. He adds a viewpoint that those reading may appreciate- someone who is currently using/has used Android and doesn't think it's the second coming of Jesus in electronic form.

That's the only reason I post in here. I think people who casually peruse this board are going to come away with a seriously skewed perspective of the mobile market and of what is worth buying from reading the posts here, unless there are others willing to add a bit of balance to the discussion.

 

[jrswizzle]

What on earth is so bad about what he posts? Even if you despise what he says, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that he adds a bit of balance to the discussions in here, instead of everything being a one-sided Android love-in (or an iOS bashing session) all the time. He adds a viewpoint that those reading may appreciate- someone who is currently using/has used Android and doesn't think it's the second coming of Jesus in electronic form.

That's the only reason I post in here. I think people who casually peruse this board are going to come away with a seriously skewed perspective of the mobile market and of what is worth buying from reading the posts here, unless there are others willing to add a bit of balance to the discussion.

I really appreciate this.

Assault is a troll - have known it ever since our first conversation when he went OFF after I made some innocuous comment about Android (it wasn't really even negative).

Better to just ignore what he says, though I don't put him on ignore (I try not to put ANYONE on ignore) simply because most of what he says is comically ignorant.

I'm not terribly concerned with what people post about me. Couch and I go at it on a regular basis - seriously different styles and they clash. No hard feelings or anything. And the fact that I'm called a blind Apple fanboy doesn't negate the fact that my phone is an HTC One (that I'm trying to trade for a GS4 ).

 

[ReanimationN]

I really appreciate this.

Assault is a troll - have known it ever since our first conversation when he went OFF after I made some innocuous comment about Android (it wasn't really even negative).

Better to just ignore what he says, though I don't put him on ignore (I try not to put ANYONE on ignore) simply because most of what he says is comically ignorant.

I'm not terribly concerned with what people post about me. Couch and I go at it on a regular basis - seriously different styles and they clash. No hard feelings or anything. And the fact that I'm called a blind Apple fanboy doesn't negate the fact that my phone is an HTC One (that I'm trying to trade for a GS4 ).

No worries.

Yeah, there seems to be a solid crew of people building here who do nothing but criticise iOS and Apple all day, whilst singing the praises of Android constantly, who supposedly really love OS X (no really! Really, really love!), yet effectively never post about it or in the sections dedicated to OS X or the various Macs (not you couchy, relax ). Funny that.

There are some people here interested in a genuine discussion, and in offering up and listening to different viewpoints, they're what make this forum worthwhile, despite all the one-eyed fans.

 

[The Game 161]

for me it's still the same tiny screen so no...and still has the same restrictions. but whatever suits your needs you go for.

 

[bwhinnen]

for me it's still the same tiny screen so no...and still has the same restrictions. but whatever suits your needs you go for.

Funnily enough I read this post and did the whole "what the heck is this thread about again" about-face. I got so caught up in the discussions above I forgot what it as all about. Sorry I had to share that.

But the whole thread title is just so darned subjective. Who decides what is better than the other, what do they use to decide it? You are talking Apples to well Androids here, the two are majorly different. My personal feel (and yes opinion) is that you like one or the other and that makes it better, the underlying hardware specs do not matter as long as they can run the OS without any major flaws or (dare I say it) lack of fluidity. Oh and on that, I like both Operating Systems, but for different reasons and can appreciate both of them, I was a one-sided Apple iOS fanboy, but after using Android (well 4.1.2 - 4.2.2 - 4.3) over the last few weeks I really do appreciate what everyone is talking about.

The bottom line remains, neither can be classed as better than the other unless it fails at running the OS it is designed for. Hardware specs are irrelevant unless you can suddenly port iOS to the GS4 or Android to the iPhone! Other than that it is just too hard, they have different approaches to doing roughly the same thing and people either like or dislike the way they do it.

Just my 2bits worth (which isn't worth much really).

 

[Deliro]

Well, system specs and comparing Apple vs Android isn't a good way to compare the two devices. Apple's iOS does a lot more with less hardware. Android isn't as optimized, yet....

However another factor to consider is that Apple really clamps down on any app or tweak that would compromise (in their opinion) the experience they want the user to have. Which is a snappy OS with good battery life. If iOS was as open as Android, Apple would have to compensate with more beefier HW specs to get their ideal experience. Which would decrease their margin. So comparing actual technical specs between the Android and iOS is simply not a good way to go about it.

Honestly, I am gravitating now to Android. I've been using a Nexus 7 for the past week to see how I liked it.. There is just so much more I can do out of the box with the device. Apps are better for iOS but the customization and sheer number of "cool" things I can do with Android without even rooting it is awesome. One moment I'm using utorrent, managing my files over the LAN, playing old Sierra games I got from good old games.com with a VM, watching XBMC content, etc etc..