Is really Android a competitive iOS alternative?

[Channan]

Bud....not providing sources makes your argument look weak, and you look lazy. Period. Is that how you present you argument at work,school, etc?

Why do I need to provide sources when the other person is providing all the sources for me? Do you need to see everything twice to understand what's going on?

Also, who cares?

I love when people are quick to comment with "who cares?" but still participate in the discussion anyway.

Others may be catching up to Apple. Based on your own argument, bound to happen eventually. It's happened on other industries, time and time again.

Lol what? I said growth is bound to stop eventually, not that decline is inevitable. You're not basing that statement on my argument at all. That's completely different.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Why do I need to provide sources when the other person is providing all the sources for me? Do you need to see everything twice to understand what's going on?


I love when people are quick to comment with "who cares?" but still participate in the discussion anyway.


Lol what? I said growth is bound to stop eventually, not that decline is inevitable. You're not basing that statement on my argument at all. That's completely different.

At this point the discussion is descending into near troll levels.

If you can't provide your sources, that's your problem. Stop trying to avoid the issue. It's lazy. Period. Provide a source, even if it's the same data, that gives an alternate point of view. Your best argument is that it's only a year. Apples stock dropped as a result...do maybe there is something to it?

All companies, empires, and dynasties decline at some point. It will happen to Apple as well, like it has to other companies in the past.

 

[Channan]

Thats when you know they have no leg to stand on....they dump their position and throw in profits.

Oh my God, this was literally my argument from the very FIRST post. Yes, the iPhone's marketshare is WAY behind Android but Apple's profits are far ahead of anyone else. You then proceeded to claim that sales are steadily decreasing and we've come full circle.

The data clearly shows losing sales from 2014 to now.

No, the data clearly shows increased sales up until this year.

Do you see the black line below? It has peaks and valleys for sure but it is moving downward.

Other than a few quarters between '11 and '12, the black line shows Apple maintaining pretty much the same market share for years. I'm really not sure how you see otherwise.
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At this point the discussion is descending into near troll levels.

If you can't provide your sources, that's your problem. Stop trying to avoid the issue. It's lazy. Period. Provide a source, even if it's the same data, that gives an alternate point of view. Your best argument is that it's only a year. Apples stock dropped as a result...do maybe there is something to it?

All companies, empires, and dynasties decline at some point. It will happen to Apple as well, like it has to other companies in the past.

What the **** do you call this?

You want a chart? Here you go:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-3rd-quarter-2007/

First quarter Apple saw a decline from the previous quarter was Q2 this year.

Also, maybe consider the iPhone isn't doing as great this year because so many people upgraded last year when Apple finally introduced larger screens and most people don't upgrade every year. Look at that massive gain when the iPhone 6 was introduced.

You're calling me lazy when you decided to butt into someone else's conversation without even bothering to catch up.

 

[mi7chy]

Based on the graph what reversed iOS marketshare decline year-over-year from 2011 to 2013 is the big screen iPhone 6 and 6 Plus in 2014. It looks like it's dropping again so Apple needs to come up with something new like fresh design, pen based, wireless charging, etc.

The graph coincides with my prediction around 2012 that Android would eventually hit 80%+ and here it is at nearly 90%. Going forward my prediction is Android marketshare will flatten with Surface Phone eating away at iOS. The next several years I see 2/3 Android, 1/3 Surface Phone and single digit iOS.

 

[jamezr]

Oh my God, this was literally my argument from the very FIRST post. Yes, the iPhone's marketshare is WAY behind Android but Apple's profits are far ahead of anyone else. You then proceeded to claim that sales are steadily decreasing and we've come full circle.


No, the data clearly shows increased sales up until this year.


Other than a few quarters between '11 and '12, the black line shows Apple maintaining pretty much the same market share for years. I'm really not sure how you see otherwise.
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What the **** do you call this?


You're calling me lazy when you decided to butt into someone else's conversation without even bothering to catch up.

Ok...buddy....the horse and water thing again...everyone sees what I am saying except for you. So there is not need to continue this discussion. Have a great day

 

[mjschabow]

Next time I choose a phone, I'm going to base it off its market share percentage. Thanks for all the info guys!!!

 

[jamezr]

Next time I choose a phone, I'm going to base it off its market share percentage. Thanks for all the info guys!!!

Wow...to be honest no one is saying that at all. You should weigh the pros and cons and what features meet your needs. Find what works best for you. I have both an iPhone 6s + and Note 7, OnePlus 3, S7 edge and switch between them all the time. I can't wait for the iPhone 7 next month. Might even get a Nexus phone when that comes out too.

 

[Fireblade]

Wow...to be honest no one is saying that at all. You should weigh the pros and cons and what features meet your needs. Find what works best for you. I have both an iPhone 6s + and Note 7, OnePlus 3, S7 edge and switch between them all the time. I can't wait for the iPhone 7 next month. Might even get a Nexus phone when that comes out too.

Lol, you are kind of insane mate {like most of us)

 

[jamezr]

Lol, you are kind of insane mate {like most of us)

That I am! But at least I am in good company with everyone on this forum

 

[kevinof]

Adding more fuel to the ...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/smartphone-market-share-android-ios-windows-blackberry-2016-8

 

[tbayrgs]

Adding more fuel to the ...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/smartphone-market-share-android-ios-windows-blackberry-2016-8

Does anybody here actually get excited by this trend? I personally find it pretty damn alarming. Having one platform control such an overwelmingly high percentage of the mobile OS market doesn't benefit the consumer in any way. And I'm not claiming we should all be cheering for iOS to make a huge resurgence. I don't like seeing one 2 players with one of those having over 85% of the market. Sadly, I don't see a third player breaking through in the mobile market's existing form. It took a paradigm shift with the introduction of the iPhone to shake up the industry back in 2007-2009 and I think this scenario won't change unless an outside force has the same kind of effect in the future.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Does anybody here actually get excited by this trend? I personally find it pretty damn alarming. Having one platform control such an overwelmingly high percentage of the mobile OS market doesn't benefit the consumer in any way. And I'm not claiming we should all be cheering for iOS to make a huge resurgence. I don't like seeing one 2 players with one of those having over 85% of the market. Sadly, I don't see a third player breaking through in the mobile market's existing form. It took a paradigm shift with the introduction of the iPhone to shake up the industry back in 2007-2009 and I think this scenario won't change unless an outside force has the same kind of effect in the future.

It can be exciting from the perspective try GST it will push Apple to innovate, and possibly become more competitive in pricing. Samsung may be priced similar, but they bundle neat accessories, and there are constant BOGO deals.

I think pricing is where Apple needs the biggest shift, but I don't think that will happen. For example, the tablet market is shrinking, so Apple innovates and makes the two iPad pros. Great devices, but they actually raise the price of each model.

As the gap between companies narrows, pricing really starts to matter; but Apple doesn't seem willing to adapt.

We can argue over how important a darn millisecond between opening apps Margaret's, but the majority of average consumers don't care. They are happy with their galaxy, or their iPhone; and it is the average consumer that drives these tends.

We can argue all we want, but the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Channan]

Adding more fuel to the ...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/smartphone-market-share-android-ios-windows-blackberry-2016-8

@other dude who claimed I need to repost graphs to back up my comments: is it okay with you if I just quote the graph?

@kevinof thanks. What this shows is iOS has maintained a pretty consistent market share percentage every year since at least 2009. It's gone up and down a few percent each year, but there hasn't been a drastic increase or decrease at all. This shows Android has been taking market share away from every other platform.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

@other dude who claimed I need to repost graphs to back up my comments: is it okay with you if I just quote the graph?

@kevinof thanks. What this shows is iOS has maintained a pretty consistent market share percentage every year since at least 2009. It's gone up and down a few percent each year, but there hasn't been a drastic increase or decrease at all. This shows Android has been taking market share away from every other platform.

Apple had a significant decrease last year, compared to in the past. Every year has flagship release cycles, but this last year the drop for Apple was bad enough investors freaked, and the stock dropped. As much as I am sure you are sure of yourself, the investors make it their living. A few percent translates to millions.

Just let it go. We understand your point. I'm not saying it's worthless. We don't have to degree and that is fine.

 

[Channan]

Apple had a significant decrease last year, compared to in the past. Every year has flagship release cycles, but this last year the drop for Apple was bad enough investors freaked, and the stock dropped. As much as I am sure you are sure of yourself, the investors make it their living. A few percent translates to millions.

Just let it go. We understand your point. I'm not saying it's worthless. We don't have to degree and that is fine.

I honestly don't know why we were arguing market share in the first place. Market share matters so little, especially when there are so many different companies making so many phones running Android, while only one company makes a few phones running iOS.

Sales and profit is much more important. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves. (Not directed at you)

 

[kevinof]

Agreed. Would have loved to see another player in the market. It needs it too. 3 major suppliers is what drives competition whereas 2 can impose limits.

What also strikes me is despite all the money and maketing drive, and the obvious appeal of the brand, Apple is actually losing market share. Just shows how hard this market is to really gain an advantage.

Does anybody here actually get excited by this trend? I personally find it pretty damn alarming. Having one platform control such an overwelmingly high percentage of the mobile OS market doesn't benefit the consumer in any way. And I'm not claiming we should all be cheering for iOS to make a huge resurgence. I don't like seeing one 2 players with one of those having over 85% of the market. Sadly, I don't see a third player breaking through in the mobile market's existing form. It took a paradigm shift with the introduction of the iPhone to shake up the industry back in 2007-2009 and I think this scenario won't change unless an outside force has the same kind of effect in the future.

 

[mi7chy]

Marketshare determines developer support. It's always been the case back to the Apple II days that developers will abandon ship once marketshare hits a low threshold.

Extreme profit, on the other hand, is a silly useless metric from a consumer point of view except to show the level of greed. When I go shopping, say for a car, my criteria for dealerships is how close to invoice or below invoice I can expect to pay and definitely not worshiping higher. Only fanboys think paying higher is better.

 

[Channan]

Marketshare determines developer support. It's always been the case back to the Apple II days that developers will abandon ship once marketshare hits a low threshold.

If that were completely true, the app situation on iOS and Android would be much different than it is. Even though Android has 6x more worldwide market share, developers still make more money on (and so prefer developing for) iOS. Again, profit trumps market share.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

If that were completely true, the app situation on iOS and Android would be much different than it is. Even though Android has 6x more worldwide market share, developers still make more money on (and so prefer developing for) iOS. Again, profit trumps market share.

Profit for developers. That's separate than the profit margins of a company.

 

[mi7chy]

Another silly useless fanboy metric. Why pay for useless crapplets when there are better free ones or pay a lower price for the same app due to economy of scale from larger marketshare.

 

[Channan]

Profit for developers. That's separate than the profit margins of a company.

I wasn't trying to say it was.

You said market share determines developer support and I'm saying where developers make the most money actually determines that. My point being that market share is not necessarily that important.

Edit: whoops. Didn't realize I wasn't talking to the same person.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

I wasn't trying to say it was.

You said market share determines developer support and I'm saying where developers make the most money actually determines that. My point being that market share is not necessarily that important.

Edit: whoops. Didn't realize I wasn't talking to the same person.

Haha it's fine, but you are correct in your point.

 

[KALLT]

Does anybody here actually get excited by this trend? I personally find it pretty damn alarming. Having one platform control such an overwelmingly high percentage of the mobile OS market doesn't benefit the consumer in any way. And I'm not claiming we should all be cheering for iOS to make a huge resurgence. I don't like seeing one 2 players with one of those having over 85% of the market. Sadly, I don't see a third player breaking through in the mobile market's existing form. It took a paradigm shift with the introduction of the iPhone to shake up the industry back in 2007-2009 and I think this scenario won't change unless an outside force has the same kind of effect in the future.

I don’t find it alarming as much as I find it just disappointing. Mobile OS has simply found its Microsoft. Apple is losing the market-share race, because they are not competing in the areas where the numbers matter, namely cheap devices, from a variety of manufactures. You have all the choice you want, can spend as much/little money as you want, and still get all the software you need. The iPhone is just becoming what the Mac has been virtually forever, a niche device for dedicated fans with specific demands or people with too much money.

Microsoft and BlackBerry were too slow to respond. One came far too late with a competitive OS, the other squandered its potential with indecisiveness, messy software and lacklustre devices, of which there was not much choice. Android just offered it all, except for the App Store (which isn’t nearly as important to buyers as Apple likes to pretend).

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Does anybody here actually get excited by this trend? I personally find it pretty damn alarming. Having one platform control such an overwelmingly high percentage of the mobile OS market doesn't benefit the consumer in any way. And I'm not claiming we should all be cheering for iOS to make a huge resurgence. I don't like seeing one 2 players with one of those having over 85% of the market. Sadly, I don't see a third player breaking through in the mobile market's existing form. It took a paradigm shift with the introduction of the iPhone to shake up the industry back in 2007-2009 and I think this scenario won't change unless an outside force has the same kind of effect in the future.

Well the iPhone catapulted smartphones into the mainstream. Being that smartphones are like mini desktops, it was inevitable that only a select few or several mobile OSs would survive. 2016 percentage on that chart is probably similar to Windows and Mac.

 

[C DM]

Apple had a significant decrease last year, compared to in the past. Every year has flagship release cycles, but this last year the drop for Apple was bad enough investors freaked, and the stock dropped. As much as I am sure you are sure of yourself, the investors make it their living. A few percent translates to millions.

Just let it go. We understand your point. I'm not saying it's worthless. We don't have to degree and that is fine.

And yet the stock was going up when Apple announced their last quarter earnings when the iPhones didn't grow and were down and predicted before.