Is really Android a competitive iOS alternative?

[I7guy]

lulwut?3D Touch faster than long press?Both require a deep press....

3d touch isnt even compatible with all apps.Long press works in almost all Android apps.Heck on a Android Phone from 2012 you can long press the settings in NC to open the relevant page in settings something 3d touch still cant do. And you still havent countered Facts 1-9.Theres a lot more to an OS than 3d touch.Show me how you acan achieve facts 1-9 with ease of use



Lets look at the steps involved

iOS

1)You need to press the home button twice.

2)You need to scroll through the cards if you are considering going beyond App 3 and again tap on the app to open it

PS-I find the top back button on iPhone plus variants pointless as if you are going to use both hands might as well use app switcher

Android

Press Back button a couple of times.App open.And with approx 14 taps or so I can even open an app I had open 7 apps prior and (this is the most important bit) without moving my finger and keeping it at the base of the phone which is ergonomic.In addition the back button even works for web browsing while on iOS I again have to reach the top of the screen to acheieve this
Lots of functions in Android are perfectly designed for one handed use because of the super awesome nav bar

The back button will only have an unintended result if you are using a slow Android.On a Galaxy S6 for instance with animations turned to 2x multiplier in dev settings the processing is practically instantaneous in tandem with my taps

Peek and pop is faster. Task manager is faster. Apple apps now all have fast 3dt shortcuts. So I am not sure what the "lulwat" is all about. iOS raise to wake while resting finger on home button or, alternatively pull from pocket while depressing home button. Press on left side and viola. Android looooooonnnnngggggg press.

 

[Feenician]

And with approx 14 taps or so I can even open an app I had open 7 apps prior and (this is the most important bit) without moving my finger and keeping it at the base of the phone which is ergonomic

It's only "the most important bit" because it fits your narrative. Double tap, swipe, tap vs 14 button presses. Genius

The back button will only have an unintended result if you are using a slow Android

Just not true. Back button action is implemented by the app and may or may not take you to previous app, the previous screen in the app, or the "home" screen of the app. Mystery button and the perfect example is...

In addition the back button even works for web browsing

So, not consistent, and not taking you to the previous app then?


In any case, it's all a diversion and utterly off-topic. The answer to the op is, "Yes"

 

[C DM]

Not a matter of opinion at all.It factually does many things better

1-Number Key on top of keyboard improves productivity
2-You can actually download unrecognized file formats and transfer them to PC
3-File Manager
4-A built in Cache Cleaner to get back storage
5-The ability to set default apps.I uninstall Mail app on iOS yet I cant set Outlook as default app something Android has had for years
6-Multi Window on Phone
7-Multiple User Accounts
8-The Nexus update policy
9-No iTunes





You do need dedicated hardware unless you like stressing your finger.On iOS I can only go back another app by painstakingly stretching my finger to the top to tap it and it still doesnt give me access to the app I opened 2 apps before.I need to double tap home button while 6S users will 3d Touch their way to the app they want without all this rigmarole

Its way superior on Android where the back button is on the bottom and tapping that button a few times gets me back to the app I need whilst an iPhone user is struggling with scrolling the cards to the card he precisely wants
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Point is Android>iOS in Back button.6s closes the gap through 3d touch yet it took them years to close the gap even by this much.In fact Android users have so much muscle memory that I have seen people new to iOS tapping to the left of the home button to go back

So I simply comment on how things are done in iOS in a context of someone potentially not realizing it, and you just can't resist to jump in with something like "Android > iOS". Certainly shows a lot.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Peek and pop is faster. Task manager is faster. Apple apps now all have fast 3dt shortcuts. So I am not sure what the "lulwat" is all about. iOS raise to wake while resting finger on home button or, alternatively pull from pocket while depressing home button. Press on left side and viola. Android looooooonnnnngggggg press.

3DT shortcuts is nice, but it's not being fully taken advantage of yet by most apps. IMO, developers had more than enough time to do so. I would say 70% of my apps including some Apple apps, only displays a "Share" popup.

 

[C DM]

Ha ha! Ow wow. Heard it all now

Deflections and hyperbole are essentially the minimum standard, and have been for quite a while.

 

[I7guy]

3DT shortcuts is nice, but it's not being fully taken advantage of yet by most apps. IMO, developers had more than enough time to do so. I would say 70% of my apps including some Apple apps, only displays a "Share" popup.

iOS 10 has "a lot" of new shortcuts; almost all Apple apps have some shortcut menu...my favorite is still settings ->battery for low power mode.

 

[Radon87000]

Peek and pop is faster. Task manager is faster. Apple apps now all have fast 3dt shortcuts. So I am not sure what the "lulwat" is all about. iOS raise to wake while resting finger on home button or, alternatively pull from pocket while depressing home button. Press on left side and viola. Android looooooonnnnngggggg press.

Peek and Pop not supported by all apps.I will give you the task manager is faster.Apple apps are the only apps which support it and for people who dont use Apple apps the feature is not nearly as supported.And as I pointed out on Android long press on WiFi takes you direct to that particular settings menu.3DT doesnt

And yes I like long press.Why?Because it makes things faster than on my iPhone.I long press the Display setting on the homescreen in Android to jump into the settings.I cant do that on iPhone 6

It's only "the most important bit" because it fits your narrative. Double tap, swipe, tap vs 14 button presses. Genius

I definitely know which is faster.Android doesnt have animations like iOS.When I press Back 14 times it implies I am trying to open an app which is waaay behind in the app list and guess what scrolling through the cards would still be slower.

I also dont like the inertia scrolling to begin with

Just not true. Back button action is implemented by the app and may or may not take you to previous app, the previous screen in the app, or the "home" screen of the app. Mystery button and the perfect example is...


So, not consistent, and not taking you to the previous app then?


In any case, it's all a diversion and utterly off-topic. The answer to the op is, "Yes"

On the contrary thats what I like about the back button.It adapts to whatever app its in.In a browser back button takes you through the app as it retraces your steps through it and once you reach the start of the process flow it will revert to the previous app.

On almost all apps it adapts to it.It may be a mystery button to you but I like it (and so did Apple probably which is why a limited form of back button immediately made its way to iOS) for its versatiity.

So I simply comment on how things are done in iOS in a context of someone potentially not realizing it, and you just can't resist to jump in with something like "Android > iOS". Certainly shows a lot.

You replied to the thread which is essentially comparing Android and iOS.So you should have expected it
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iOS 10 has "a lot" of new shortcuts; almost all Apple apps have some shortcut menu...my favorite is still settings ->battery for low power mode.

I dont use Apple apps.I use Google apps because they work across ecosystems.My iPhone is essentially a Google phone and they arent nearly as supported with 3DT
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Deflections and hyperbole are essentially the minimum standard, and have been for quite a while.

So Android vs iOS is a off topic concept for a thread stating is Android a competitive iOS alternative?Do you even know what competitive means?

 

[C DM]

So Android vs iOS is a off topic concept for a thread stating is Android a competitive iOS alternative?Do you even know what competitive means?

A reply that isn't even related to anything I've said in my post. Unsurprisingly the logic actually works against it by it only confirming the observations.

Peek and Pop not supported by all apps.I will give you the task manager is faster.Apple apps are the only apps which support it and for people who dont use Apple apps the feature is not nearly as supported.And as I pointed out on Android long press on WiFi takes you direct to that particular settings menu.3DT doesnt

And yes I like long press.Why?Because it makes things faster than on my iPhone.I long press the Display setting on the homescreen in Android to jump into the settings.I cant do that on iPhone 6



I definitely know which is faster.Android doesnt have animations like iOS.When I press Back 14 times it implies I am trying to open an app which is waaay behind in the app list and guess what scrolling through the cards would still be slower.

I also dont like the inertia scrolling to begin with




On the contrary thats what I like about the back button.It adapts to whatever app its in.In a browser back button takes you through the app as it retraces your steps through it and once you reach the start of the process flow it will revert to the previous app.

On almost all apps it adapts to it.It may be a mystery button to you but I like it (and so did Apple probably which is why a limited form of back button immediately made its way to iOS) for its versatiity.



You replied to the thread which is essentially comparing Android and iOS.So you should have expected it
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I dont use Apple apps.I use Google apps because they work across ecosystems.My iPhone is essentially a Google phone and they arent nearly as supported with 3DT
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So Android vs iOS is a off topic concept for a thread stating is Android a competitive iOS alternative?Do you even know what competitive means?

I certainly should have expected that (and realistically wasn't surprised by it), just not really because of the thread's title.

 

[widgeteer]

I wish you guys would read these posts and come to what should be a strikingly obvious conclusion: however you use your phone is what determines which OS is "better".

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Peek and Pop not supported by all apps.I will give you the task manager is faster.Apple apps are the only apps which support it and for people who dont use Apple apps the feature is not nearly as supported.And as I pointed out on Android long press on WiFi takes you direct to that particular settings menu.3DT doesnt

And yes I like long press.Why?Because it makes things faster than on my iPhone.I long press the Display setting on the homescreen in Android to jump into the settings.I cant do that on iPhone 6



I definitely know which is faster.Android doesnt have animations like iOS.When I press Back 14 times it implies I am trying to open an app which is waaay behind in the app list and guess what scrolling through the cards would still be slower.

I also dont like the inertia scrolling to begin with




On the contrary thats what I like about the back button.It adapts to whatever app its in.In a browser back button takes you through the app as it retraces your steps through it and once you reach the start of the process flow it will revert to the previous app.

On almost all apps it adapts to it.It may be a mystery button to you but I like it (and so did Apple probably which is why a limited form of back button immediately made its way to iOS) for its versatiity.



You replied to the thread which is essentially comparing Android and iOS.So you should have expected it
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I dont use Apple apps.I use Google apps because they work across ecosystems.My iPhone is essentially a Google phone and they arent nearly as supported with 3DT
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So Android vs iOS is a off topic concept for a thread stating is Android a competitive iOS alternative?Do you even know what competitive means?

Once again you seem thoroughly dissatisfied with iOS yet claim it suits your needs when tackled on it. Why don't you do yourself a favour and just use the operating system you are so loved up about? Nobody really cares if you can't multi-window on an iPhone or whether you have to use iTunes or not. This isn't a crusade, it's a personal choice and whatever device anybody chooses is subjective. Just accept it.

 

[I7guy]

Peek and Pop not supported by all apps.I will give you the task manager is faster.Apple apps are the only apps which support it and for people who dont use Apple apps the feature is not nearly as supported.And as I pointed out on Android long press on WiFi takes you direct to that particular settings menu.3DT doesnt

And yes I like long press.Why?Because it makes things faster than on my iPhone.I long press the Display setting on the homescreen in Android to jump into the settings.I cant do that on iPhone 6



I definitely know which is faster.Android doesnt have animations like iOS.When I press Back 14 times it implies I am trying to open an app which is waaay behind in the app list and guess what scrolling through the cards would still be slower.

I also dont like the inertia scrolling to begin with




On the contrary thats what I like about the back button.It adapts to whatever app its in.In a browser back button takes you through the app as it retraces your steps through it and once you reach the start of the process flow it will revert to the previous app.

On almost all apps it adapts to it.It may be a mystery button to you but I like it (and so did Apple probably which is why a limited form of back button immediately made its way to iOS) for its versatiity.



You replied to the thread which is essentially comparing Android and iOS.So you should have expected it
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I dont use Apple apps.I use Google apps because they work across ecosystems.My iPhone is essentially a Google phone and they arent nearly as supported with 3DT
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So Android vs iOS is a off topic concept for a thread stating is Android a competitive iOS alternative?Do you even know what competitive means?

So you are saying outright google apps work across ecosystems but are inferior to Apple apps. Got it. Your use case justified android>iOS my use case justifies iOS > android. So you found one use case of a loooonnnnggg press that does what you want vs hundreds of 3dt shoetcuts that do what I want; including left press for task switcher; press On flashlight for intensity etc.

 

[C DM]

I wish you guys would read these posts and come to what should be a strikingly obvious conclusion: however you use your phone is what determines which OS is "better".

Thinking like that is just far too rational and simply not "exciting" enough as it doesn't generate the opportunity for people to "stand up" for their preferences as being the right and best ones.

 

[nickchallis92]

Without meaning to throw fuel into the fire, the iOS 'back' system is a load of S****

 

[maxsix]

My other concerns go on the privacy side. I know Google is something to be afraid of when it comes to this sensitive topic.

Actually if not for the Pro-Apple media being afraid of offending Apple, the company that masterfully spins a perfect narrative so as to polish its image, the truth would be revealed. The 800 lb. Gorilla feeds others besides itself. Writing gushing articles about the Cupertino Company gets lots of clicks / attention for all who participate.

Google makes for a good target. Apple makes no bones about it's hatred of Google and very few companies dare offend Apple. When one is maintaining an interest in both concurrently as I have, the Pro-Apple bias is quite noticeable.


Concerned about privacy?
Get off the Internet Now.
Ditch your smartphone.

Give up the computer.
Use a basic phone.

 

[apolloa]

Simple answer is without doubt yes. And as for security? Hackers are stealing your data left and right with relative ease, freemium apps and games make billions from data mining you, and your worried about Google using your information for brilliant services that make your life easier.

 

[Feenician]

Actually if not for the Pro-Apple media being afraid of offending Apple, the company that masterfully spins a perfect narrative so as to polish its image, the truth would be revealed. The 800 lb. Gorilla feeds others besides itself. Writing gushing articles about the Cupertino Company gets lots of clicks / attention for all who participate.

Google makes for a good target. Apple makes no bones about it's hatred of Google and very few companies dare offend Apple. When one is maintaining an interest in both concurrently as I have, the Pro-Apple bias is quite noticeable.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing generates clicks quite like a "sky is falling/Apple is doomed" story. Your continual belief (or at least pretense of belief) in order to paint a world where something like the Note sells a million over the course of weeks while iPhone sells 10m+ in a weekend is perpetually amusing to me. We've discussed it before.

 

[Radon87000]

So you are saying outright google apps work across ecosystems but are inferior to Apple apps. Got it. Your use case justified android>iOS my use case justifies iOS > android. So you found one use case of a loooonnnnggg press that does what you want vs hundreds of 3dt shoetcuts that do what I want; including left press for task switcher; press On flashlight for intensity etc.

Inferior as in support of 3D Touch .I use them as it works across ecosystems

Not really because long press works on all apps including all through the system settings unlike 3D Touch which does not support all apps.I use a lot of apps.Conpatibilty only with Apple apps just doesn't cut it

And you still haven't countered facts 1-9

 

[I7guy]

Inferior as in support of 3D Touch .I use them as it works across ecosystems

Not really because long press works on all apps including all through the system settings unlike 3D Touch which does not support all apps.I use a lot of apps.Conpatibilty only with Apple apps just doesn't cut it

And you still haven't countered facts 1-9

Not really. 3dt is far superior to loooonnnnngggg press. I can't emphasize it enough. It's provides instant access to shortcuts in most apps that I use, beyond apple; ie netflix, amex, launcher message+, youtube, fitbit app etc. Keyword is instant, including the task switcher, which allows almost instant access to the rolodex.

And when you provide facts, I'll counter them.

 

[Feenician]

Inferior as in support of 3D Touch .I use them as it works across ecosystems

Not really because long press works on all apps including all through the system settings unlike 3D Touch which does not support all apps.I use a lot of apps.Conpatibilty only with Apple apps just doesn't cut it

And you still haven't countered facts 1-9

Google being a crappy citizen of iOS and only utilising lowest common denominator features you'd find on a free-in-the-cereal-box android handset is hardly an argument in favour of Google or against iOS

 

[Radon87000]

Not really. 3dt is far superior to loooonnnnngggg press. I can't emphasize it enough. It's provides instant access to shortcuts in most apps that I use, beyond apple; ie netflix, amex, launcher message+, youtube, fitbit app etc. Keyword is instant, including the task switcher, which allows almost instant access to the rolodex.

And when you provide facts, I'll counter them.

Long press works in settings,NC and even on the home screen to jump in wallpaper,long press for widgets ,long press for jump to app details,long press for edit menu and long press for image properties and inside apps providing me multitudes of options where 3DT is very limited.I can also use swipe gestures on many apps in Nova Launcher for the 3DT shortcut

I provided the facts 1-9 above.No one till now has countered them

 

[Feenician]

Long press works in settings,NC and even on the home screen to jump in wallpaper,long press for widgets ,long press for jump to app details and inside apps providing me multitudes of options where 3DT is very limited

I provided the facts 1-9 above.No one till now has countered them

Its been a long day. I was in the middle of the Charlotte riots yesterday and I'm still a couple hours from home so I may address some of them tomorrow. Not really sure what your point is on hammering these points - I don't think anyone (at least no-one who stuck around) said there's no possibility of Android having some or other distinguishing feature or features that someone may find more valuable than ios' equivalent. You mainly just seem to be repeating when you don't want to address what you reply to

 

[Radon87000]

Its been a long day. I was in the middle of the Charlotte riots yesterday and I'm still a couple hours from home so I may address some of them tomorrow. Not really sure what your point is on hammering these points - I don't think anyone (at least no-one who stuck around) said there's no possibility of Android having some or other distinguishing feature or features that someone may find more valuable than ios' equivalent. You mainly just seem to be repeating when you don't want to address what you reply to

i7guy is stating long press is inferior to 3D Touch.While 3D Touch is superior in some aspects,long press is to because it works everywhere and even in the most obscure apps and parts of the OS.So It's not inferior

For instance when I first used iOS I used long press on the photos and videos to delete some and I was surprised at how the method took a lot more time on iOS compared to Android where I long press to delete an app while on iOS I need to open the photo or even use select option to delete

 

[maxsix]

long press works on all apps including all through the system settings unlike 3D Touch which does not support all apps.I use a lot of apps.Conpatibilty only with Apple apps just doesn't cut it

You've brought up some very valid points.

However as we are witnessing, many iOS advocates have difficulty accepting that Android does indeed have a degree of functionality that iOS simply can't match. For these Apple Devotees it's an all of nothing big deal. They've got to win.

For those of us who are enjoying both platforms and know the truth, it's thanks to Google's fabulous Android OS that does present serious competition for Apple, and keeps the Cupertino Company from falling asleep at the wheel....

 

[Feenician]

i7guy is stating long press is inferior to 3D Touch.While 3D Touch is superior in some aspects,long press is to because it works everywhere and even in the most obscure apps and parts of the OS.So It's not inferior

3d touch utilises an open API. Good developers, good citizens of the platform, use it where appropriate. You keep saying long press works everywhere but it doesn't - that doesn't even make sense - it works where it's implemented, just like 3d touch

 

[I7guy]

i7guy is stating long press is inferior to 3D Touch.While 3D Touch is superior in some aspects,long press is to because it works everywhere and even in the most obscure apps and parts of the OS.So It's not inferior

For instance when I first used iOS I used long press on the photos and videos to delete some and I was surprised at how the method took a lot more time on iOS compared to Android where I long press to delete an app while on iOS I need to open the photo or even use select option to delete

So how can something be superior and inferior at the same time? Apple tunes their software for how people use it. If your main use of android is deleting apps, you've got me. But for how people use iOS, 3dt wins. As far as your "facts" we can turn this into another p-------- contest as their clearly isn't enough of them already.
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You've brought up some very valid points.

However as we are witnessing, many iOS advocates have difficulty accepting that Android does indeed have a degree of functionality that iOS simply can't match. For these Apple Devotees it's an all of nothing big deal. They've got to win.

For those of us who are enjoying both platforms and know the truth, it's thanks to Google's fabulous Android OS that does present serious competition for Apple, and keeps the Cupertino Company from falling asleep at the wheel....

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.