I agree entirely my friend, shame 98% of MR Users. Seem to want to follow this path... sigh.....
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is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?
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I have an iPhone 6s Plus, provided to me by my company, I have personally owned every iPhone since the 1st gen and today I used an S7 edge for the first time and it is honestly the nicest phone I have used in a long time. Screen is incredible, the way it wraps around is very nice, android I have never used before but know people who do and it appears to have come on a lot in recent years. I can't wait for mine to arrive.
Profit from the 5 wealthiest countries on the planet and actual number of users are two very different things. Apple could lose half of its users and still make roughly half of all the profits and you could still call them successful. But if that happened due to the S7, I guarantee you that App!e would consider them a very real threat.
Additionally, Apple is threatened by Android OEM's. If they weren't do you think Apple would have made a larger phone or would be switching to OLED screens or bringing back a 4" phone?
P.S. Anything written by DED aka Dirk Digler is a complete and utter joke. The guy has been caught lying, manipulating facts and is completely biased. He has zero credibility in legitimate tech news sites, which is why he is relegated to posting on App!eInsider.
Anything from appleinsider or ded is rubbish. They both distort the truth and publish outright untruths
Tbay nailed everything that needed to be said.
If you want to pick a winner by profit, then Apple wins.
if you want to pick a winner by mass volume sales, Google wins.
At the end with so many great options, everybody wins!
One group likes a more open platform, flexible hardware, and can save alot of money. Another group loves the closed platform/ecosystem. Market is getting too saturated already but too many people in the world to have the market completely UNIFORMED the way Apple wants it to be.
Been reading old 1990's issues of NEXT Generation magazine. It is funny and still quite fascinating to read about console wars and looking at outdated specs where 8 MB of RAM is alot already on a PC. It takes me back to my high school days when I had physical copies of them. But I know these writers wants to stir up the industry to get excited about new technology and comparing them endlessly. Maybe 20 years from now, we will look back and laugh at the phone / mobile OS wars of today.
To me, what drives people at picking game systems are the games (software). In mobile devices, it is more complicated than that because Android devices have many hardware versatility like expandable storage and waterproof that iPhone doesn't have. Then you pick between the exclusive apps each one has over the other. After that becomes cost which Android clearly has. There is NO THREAT to each other and nobody is a total loser depending on the area you look at. Apple, Google, and Samsung are NOT going away anytime soon.
I do think the Chinese OEMs are a bigger threat than a Samsung flagship is to iPhones in the midrange market. It is a global duopoly between Samsung and Apple in marketshare but I can see Huawei beating them both within 5 years. By 2026, I can see Samsung falling to #3. Apple never peaking over 20% and Huawei being the new Nokia of China...
If you want to pick a winner by profit, then Apple wins.
if you want to pick a winner by mass volume sales, Google wins.
At the end with so many great options, everybody wins!
One group likes a more open platform, flexible hardware, and can save alot of money. Another group loves the closed platform/ecosystem. Market is getting too saturated already but too many people in the world to have the market completely UNIFORMED the way Apple wants it to be.
Been reading old 1990's issues of NEXT Generation magazine. It is funny and still quite fascinating to read about console wars and looking at outdated specs where 8 MB of RAM is alot already on a PC. It takes me back to my high school days when I had physical copies of them. But I know these writers wants to stir up the industry to get excited about new technology and comparing them endlessly. Maybe 20 years from now, we will look back and laugh at the phone / mobile OS wars of today.
To me, what drives people at picking game systems are the games (software). In mobile devices, it is more complicated than that because Android devices have many hardware versatility like expandable storage and waterproof that iPhone doesn't have. Then you pick between the exclusive apps each one has over the other. After that becomes cost which Android clearly has. There is NO THREAT to each other and nobody is a total loser depending on the area you look at. Apple, Google, and Samsung are NOT going away anytime soon.
I do think the Chinese OEMs are a bigger threat than a Samsung flagship is to iPhones in the midrange market. It is a global duopoly between Samsung and Apple in marketshare but I can see Huawei beating them both within 5 years. By 2026, I can see Samsung falling to #3. Apple never peaking over 20% and Huawei being the new Nokia of China...
I'm not sure how much of a threat in the popularity stakes the S7 is to be honest. I like it from my brief experience with it and would get along well with it I think. The exterior design is beautiful and the screen is the best of any mobile phone I have seen to date. I think Samsung have made a major leap forward this year and if TouchWiz is lag free unlike the S6, I can see them gaining sales at the high end of the market.
The iPhone is not a bad package though in its own right. It might not have the best hardware in its class but it has some major pulls including its design, clean interface and just about the best technical support in the industry.
Let's not forget also that the iPhone is a cool product and one people of all ages like to be seen with. It's developed cult status. People of all demographics own it and it's popular amongst the tech savvy to the lesser so. I hate it when you see people say that only non tech savvy people buy the iPhone or just teenagers and old people. It's absolute rubbish. Some of our senior software developers right through to systems engineers use iPhones. Look around in most meetings with outside sources too and iPhones are popular. I expect to see more Samsung's now however as they've finally embraced the premium feel. It'll take time though.
The iPhone is not a bad package though in its own right. It might not have the best hardware in its class but it has some major pulls including its design, clean interface and just about the best technical support in the industry.
Let's not forget also that the iPhone is a cool product and one people of all ages like to be seen with. It's developed cult status. People of all demographics own it and it's popular amongst the tech savvy to the lesser so. I hate it when you see people say that only non tech savvy people buy the iPhone or just teenagers and old people. It's absolute rubbish. Some of our senior software developers right through to systems engineers use iPhones. Look around in most meetings with outside sources too and iPhones are popular. I expect to see more Samsung's now however as they've finally embraced the premium feel. It'll take time though.
A friend of mine and his whole family just jumped from iPhones to the S7/Edge. Just because of a buy one get one promo. And he jumped from Verizon to T-Mobile and took advantage of the $650 switch. I hope they regret it. But then again, they weren't apple product worthy. Hahahaha just kidding.
No true Apple fan should see this as a threat. It just means that hopefully Apple will be bringing their A game when it's their time to unveil a new iPhone. Hopefully they're paying attention.
Competition is good.
Competition is good.
It's not a threat as long as Samsung continues to blindly ignore the things which make the iPhone popular. Sure they put out an incredible piece of hardware that trounces the iPhone on all fronts, but besides us tech oriented consumers who are in the minority, the vast majority of consumers really don't care nearly as much about bells and whistles.
The number one thing Samsung is ignoring is customer service. With a presence in most Best Buys, Samsung has the opportunity to have Apple-like customer service. Instead they just man them with very unknowledgeable staff and zero support options, what a waste of money and opportunity. The other issue is simplicity. iOS is simple, way too simple for me but that's what consumers want. Android is fragmented, you have an incredibly poor adoption of OS releases due to carrier and manufacturer interference. You have so many different versions of Android on top of that. Android itself is disjointed in many functions. Think about messaging, should I use Samsung messaging, AT&T messaging, Hangouts?!?! Just a lot of things on Android are a mess and can be confusing to your average soccer mom/grandmother. I think it just gets to be a bit much for consumers, especially an iOS consumer thinking about switching. Add to that the inevitable lag and touchwiz issues that crop up, no matter how much RAM Samsung throws at it.
Samsung seems to shoot its own foot every time, I don't see any reason why they won't efficiently and elegantly shoot it's own foot this time around as well.
The number one thing Samsung is ignoring is customer service. With a presence in most Best Buys, Samsung has the opportunity to have Apple-like customer service. Instead they just man them with very unknowledgeable staff and zero support options, what a waste of money and opportunity. The other issue is simplicity. iOS is simple, way too simple for me but that's what consumers want. Android is fragmented, you have an incredibly poor adoption of OS releases due to carrier and manufacturer interference. You have so many different versions of Android on top of that. Android itself is disjointed in many functions. Think about messaging, should I use Samsung messaging, AT&T messaging, Hangouts?!?! Just a lot of things on Android are a mess and can be confusing to your average soccer mom/grandmother. I think it just gets to be a bit much for consumers, especially an iOS consumer thinking about switching. Add to that the inevitable lag and touchwiz issues that crop up, no matter how much RAM Samsung throws at it.
Samsung seems to shoot its own foot every time, I don't see any reason why they won't efficiently and elegantly shoot it's own foot this time around as well.
I agree with you. Samsung has a long way to go to catch up to Apple's great customer service.
They actually have the infrastructure in place with the spaces in all the best buy stores.
All a bunch of stuff that no one outside a bunch of tech heads is going to care about at this point in time.
Wow, I miss Next Generation magazine at its peak. Thick/heavy page stock, beautiful printing/graphics, awesome articles. I miss the smell of a new edition.
I wonder how much of that is Samsung vs carrier agreement's? I have a feeling the carriers play a large role in that.
I can't wait until carriers become more like the dumb pipes they are. Apple has proved that.
Europe seems to be much better in this respect. It would appear us carriers have enough clout to impede Samsung selling an unlocked variant in the US. Who knows how many other strings they are pulling
Europe seems to be much better in this respect. It would appear us carriers have enough clout to impede Samsung selling an unlocked variant in the US. Who knows how many other strings they are pulling
Definitely, Google also is at fault. Samsung is already playing around with Tizen and that should be a wake up call to Google before they lose their top oem.
I think Google and Samsung came to some kind of agreement a few years ago. Google seem to have reigned Samsung in a bit and development of Tizen seems to have slowed down significantly. I think it was sometime after CES 2014. When Samsung initially showed off the galaxy tab pro series they were heavily over layed with magazine UX. By the time the devices launched a few months later magazine UX was significantly lighter and different to what was previewed at CES. There was a lot of speculation at that time that Google and Samsung had met and Samsubg had been reigned in. I'm not sure what Google offered Samsung in exchange though.
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They were on the right track in the UK. In their flagship store which was my local they had an experience bar, much like the Genius Bar. You could take your devices in if you had problems. You didn't need an appointment but you could que up and be seen on the day. They would try and fix your device on the spot, if they couldn't they would take it in for repair which was usually completed with 48 hours. For some issues such as cracked screens they offered an express service at a cost. They would basically replace the screen within 2 hours. Whilst this wasn't quite as good as Apple's service it was a step in the right direction. Then they closed down the flagship store
Their 'new' flagship store, which isn't new, they just designated it that after the true flagship store broke down is in central London. The flagship store now pales in comparison. It's basically a carphone warehouse phone shop that sells Samsung products. It's a lot smaller than the original flagship and doesn't carry a lot of products. There isn't even an experience bar there.
I think Apple have it a lot easier when it comes to incorporating a Genius Bar in their stores. They already offer replacements under warranty for most hardware failures and now offer repairs while you wait. But, they only have to provide parts/spares and replacement handsets for very few device models.
If Samsung offered the same service they would have to stock spares for dozens of handsets they have launched in the last few years. Sometimes flooding the market with products creates problems when people expect them to support them through authorised dealers/stores. I don't think they can compete with Apple on this front because they have such a wide product range. I also think they would encounter an immense amount of infuriating questions and complaints due to Android being a very open OS which is easier to mess up, especially by some of the older generation lol.
Just finished selling my 6s+, and settling into life with my s7e. I am platform agnostic, and simply want the most cutting edge phone. In my opinion the most advanced phone, technologically, on the market today is the s7e. OS is personal preference, but the gorgeous 1440p oled, tack sharp camera, and crazy speed of the S7e make it the best phone money can buy. I
I came back to iPhone for the 6+, and 6s+ from the note 3. I really missed the Polish of ios, and Android at the time was still very janky stylistically, albeit more open to customization.hi Touchwiz in particular was jarringly ugly when you dove down into menus, and I cringed every time I looked at the dialer.
Perhaps I was just unlucky but coming back to ios was not a smooth experience where everything "just worked" and all was great. No my iPhone 6 made my life miserable. I need to stay logged into a mobile web app for work all day, every single time I logged in it would crash do to lack of RAM, and no browser or replacement phone could get it to work, ios 8 was a buggy mess, continuity never worked everything was wonky.
To be fair the 6s and ios9 fixed a lot of my issues. The 6s could handle my work requirements, and is a great phone. However my last straw was Apple music ruining my carefully curated iTunes library that I spent years building. I am still finding songs that no longer exist or were replaced with different versions.
I am now a bit angry at Apple, and have had so many issues at this point that the whole "smooth, polished, effortless" ios experience is laughable.
What has genuinely surprised me after a few days back on Android is the amount of Polish that has been added over the past few years. All the menus are neat, and tidy. The dialer is now a gorgeous design with tasteful little animated flourishes. If you do not like the look then you can theme almost everything from the stock OS. I have also cut ties to all mobile Apple services, and Google so far has really been delivering on the promise of seamless services. I have started using play music, and what a breath of fresh air. All my rare recordings stream flawlessly, and it is super easy to find other music related to my personal collection.
I also got a moto 360, and while it too is rough around the edges the hardware is so much better looking then the Apple watch I just love to wear it.
Over all I think tech people owe it to themselves to jump OSs from time to time. If you stay entrenched and biased to one for too long you will miss out on a lot of cool innovations.
My original plan was to jump over to the iPhone 7, but at this point I really think the S7e is a keeper. I may get the notw, but honestly having a small phone with a big screen, has been absolutely liberating after the last few years of lugging around ginormous 6+s
I came back to iPhone for the 6+, and 6s+ from the note 3. I really missed the Polish of ios, and Android at the time was still very janky stylistically, albeit more open to customization.hi Touchwiz in particular was jarringly ugly when you dove down into menus, and I cringed every time I looked at the dialer.
Perhaps I was just unlucky but coming back to ios was not a smooth experience where everything "just worked" and all was great. No my iPhone 6 made my life miserable. I need to stay logged into a mobile web app for work all day, every single time I logged in it would crash do to lack of RAM, and no browser or replacement phone could get it to work, ios 8 was a buggy mess, continuity never worked everything was wonky.
To be fair the 6s and ios9 fixed a lot of my issues. The 6s could handle my work requirements, and is a great phone. However my last straw was Apple music ruining my carefully curated iTunes library that I spent years building. I am still finding songs that no longer exist or were replaced with different versions.
I am now a bit angry at Apple, and have had so many issues at this point that the whole "smooth, polished, effortless" ios experience is laughable.
What has genuinely surprised me after a few days back on Android is the amount of Polish that has been added over the past few years. All the menus are neat, and tidy. The dialer is now a gorgeous design with tasteful little animated flourishes. If you do not like the look then you can theme almost everything from the stock OS. I have also cut ties to all mobile Apple services, and Google so far has really been delivering on the promise of seamless services. I have started using play music, and what a breath of fresh air. All my rare recordings stream flawlessly, and it is super easy to find other music related to my personal collection.
I also got a moto 360, and while it too is rough around the edges the hardware is so much better looking then the Apple watch I just love to wear it.
Over all I think tech people owe it to themselves to jump OSs from time to time. If you stay entrenched and biased to one for too long you will miss out on a lot of cool innovations.
My original plan was to jump over to the iPhone 7, but at this point I really think the S7e is a keeper. I may get the notw, but honestly having a small phone with a big screen, has been absolutely liberating after the last few years of lugging around ginormous 6+s
This is why I refuse to sign up for Apple Music. I've heard so many reports of it messing up people's collections that I've never signed up, even for the free trial. I just don't want to take the risk. Granted I'm not really interested in streaming music as I prefer to buy, own and store my music locally. However there have been some things I've missed out on by not signing up to Apple Music e.g the Taylor Swift concert. Even though I'm not signed up to Apple Music, I'm still effected because the music app is quite poor now and occasionally I get a message telling me that I need to connect to wifi when I'm trying to play my music locally. It can take up to 30 seconds to get it to start.
I've used google music before and whilst I'm not interested in streaming music it works properly.
Apple are not perfect but they are good enough. The S7 edge looks like a nice phone and I may still pick one up to use alongside my iPhone 6S plus however my iPhone will be my daily driver.
Good luck with your new phone. Let us know how you get on with it.
As someone who works in an AT&T retail warranty center, I can't see myself ever using a Samsung device as my personal phone. Samsung phones are almost 80% of the devices we work on and/or exchange and its pretty much everything with them. Cracked/bleeding LCDs(with the phone still looking brand new most of the time), poor battery life, overheating, charging ports stop working or actually break. Just too much to ever want to go through with my main phone.
There customer service might be worse than the quality of their devices. Never encountered such rude people over the phone before.
There customer service might be worse than the quality of their devices. Never encountered such rude people over the phone before.
I am wondering if it takes account the components Samsung supplies to other companies? I think Samsung still makes money for every smartphone being made which includes iPhone being that Samsung is not only involved with the mobile industry and is doing pretty well in both TV and SoC. Google makes money from all smartphone users whether they have iPhone or not.
We can never be too confident. I just realized the 20-somethings and younger never really experienced when Apple was struggling back in the 1990's. Like the young generation who never saw Michael Jordan play but still buy his expensive shoes, there is a generation of kids who only grew up watching Apple being on top and iPhone being their only smartphones in their lives. The teens turning 18 this year is about the same age as Google. Who knows what the 2020's will be like? In the 1990's, mobile war was between Motorola and Nokia. We can't truly predict the future. A smartphone market crash can happen. 2029, perhaps? Another great crash from '29. Right now, I see mobiles peaking with innovation for the 2010's - 2020's the way PC and video game consoles did with graphical advancement from the 1990's - 2000's. The smartphone industry is still quite young but eventually eating too much of your favorite dessert will get you sick to your stomach. The luster for newer phones will wear off and most consumers will start sticking to their current ones much longer.
This is also part of the problem, Samsung puts out way too many products. If they consolidated their products then they could concentrate their R&D, marketing, and support much more efficiently. I agree 100% that it's much more difficult for Samsung to provide this level of service to the consumer, but if they don't they will continue to decline as they have been.
Every year Samsung mobile gets much better. As long as they keep that momentum up. With Apple, iOS is the reason iPhones continue to sell. But we are entering an era that even regular non techy consumers are questioning why Apple doesn't have the top notch specs besides the cpu. Consumers rely on Youtube reviews and word of mouth. This is the first time I've seen that the majority of reviews holds an Android phone equal or better than the iPhone.
Yep all the reviews are coming in and praising Samsung for its design and innovation.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/15/11221814/samsung-galaxy-s7-design-leader
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