Ok, it wasn't clear to me. But 'They' (?) suggested to build a hackintosh is piracy, no? Although I haven't built one myself yet, I might do so soon, since Apple's EULA is not valid everywhere in the world. Maybe hence my sense of being accused.
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MP 7,1 Is the new 7,1 Mac Pro a failure on arrival
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Congratulations, you may soon be a pirate. My statement didn't specifically name you, I replied to your quote.
edit to add: "they" is fine.
That is an interesting historical factoid, and thanks for sharing the article. However, the following is more relevant.
Inflation adjusted prices for Mac Pros made in the last decade:
4,1: $3000
5,1: $2800
6,1: $3300
7,1: $6000
There is clear case law in many jurisdictions that there is no legal basis, or recognition for the notion of “a free operating system, bundled with paid hardware”.
Your car maker can’t claim the tyres were “free” tyres bundled with the car, the computer maker can’t claim the operating system, nor any of the bundled apps are “free” apps, with the paid hardware.
Every single thing included with a purchased product, is a paid product, as a component of that purchase, and equally encompassed by standard fitness for purpose consumer protection laws.
Just as you can pull the ram and storage from your Mac, and install them in any other computer, you are just as entitled to pull the operating system and install that in a generic PC, so long as you cease to use the operating system in the Mac. The EULA that binds MacOS to Apple-branded hardware, is not worth the paper it’s written on.
Simultaneous extant instances is the test. If you are not increasing the total active instances of the operating system, you are not engaging in piracy.
i wonder if 6,1 and prior leveraged cheap labor costs of china. and now the 7,1 is feeling the full brunt of american labor costs
Check where the 6,1 was built.…
Texas. (But during the Obama administration, before Trump tariffs.)
Agreed. ?
So, if the iMac Pro is $5000 ... did people think the new flag-ship tower would be cheaper ?
If you can't afford a MacPro, and you don't want an iMac-anything...
then I think they expect you to use a MacMini-2018 or MacBookPro with an eGPU box via TB-3.
Agreed. ?
So, if the iMac Pro is $5000 ... did people think the new flag-ship tower would be cheaper ?
Yes, they did. It was a common refrain here that the Mac Pro would be something like "the iMac Pro, minus the cost of the LG 5K Monitor".
The idea that it would be "Same Price, but with PCI Slots and expandability, instead of a display" was anathema to some folks.
I was among those who was surprised. I had the same expectations you just described (equal or less than iMac Pro for a starting price). I understand where we are though and at this price point (well where I expect well-upgraded units to come in) it still provides a lot of value to me. I'll be buying one for myself and multiple for employees on day one.
I wonder if the EFF would fight the case against that “apple-branded computer” clause. Seems like a net neutrality kind of thing, software makers limiting which hardware you are “allowed” to run software (which you have purchased) on.
As mattspace mentioned, a car maker can’t tell you that you’re not allowed to move your tires to a different car.
And as johnbono implied, how much hardware case you swap before it ceases to be “apple-branded”? As long as it fits inside the apple case?
As mattspace mentioned, a car maker can’t tell you that you’re not allowed to move your tires to a different car.
And as johnbono implied, how much hardware case you swap before it ceases to be “apple-branded”? As long as it fits inside the apple case?
American law may be different, but certainly in Australia it's settled case law that everything included with a purchased product, is a paid-for part of the product. There's no "free thing bundled with a paid thing".
Check where the 6,1 was built.…
Texas. (But during the Obama administration, before Trump tariffs.)
Just love people who have no problems with China "Stealing Your Intellectual Property" and love cheap labor building their iPhone's.
But a car manufacturer can (and they do) mandate that you not port the software in their electronic control modules to another car. Bypassing digital protections on those systems would be a violation. In fact if you own a recent John Deere tractor you can't even work on the control systems on your own tractor.
Those pirating MacOS are bypassing software protections designed to restrict the use of MacOS to specific Apple systems. Apple is within its rights to do so and those who bypass those protections are violating the law.
Apple has not and will not move towards any legalities with regards to Hackintosh. ARM is next generation.
To Fanboys.
The 2019 New Mac Pro might be a Niche Market machine. Aside from it’s high pricing, crucial is the lack of Official Nvidia GPU support, driver support on the latest OS. There are pro users using softwares with Nvidia compatibility. Like the “Big Players” Industrial Light and Magic, Dreamworks Animation using Nvidia GPUs in HP workstations for their 3D and motion graphics effects. I may be wrong, but it’s likely Nvidia and HP assigns a team for monthly tech support which Apple may not offer. Certain companies may want after sales tech support long term.
www.ilm.com
Pixar’s Proprietary Software, “RenderMan” uses Nvidia graphics
I wish the pricing would be lower and there’s official Nvidia GPU support. Maybe thru a hack Nvidia GPUs may still be installed in the 2019 Mac Pro but companies would prefer an official support. Just my thoughts.
Lights, Camera, Quadro! The Magic Behind 11 Years of Oscar-Worthy Visual Effects
The Oscar nominations are in, and for the 11th year in a row, NVIDIA Quadro GPUs are behind every movie nominated for Best Visual Effects.
blogs.nvidia.com
Industrial Light & Magic
Since 1975, Industrial Light & Magic (ILM) has set the standard for visual effects and established a legacy of innovative and iconic storytelling.
www.ilm.com
World’s Top Graphics Software Companies Are Already Adopting NVIDIA RTX Capabilities. Here’s Why.
The leading software providers representing many of the most important applications for designing the products we use, the cars we drive, the movies we watch and even for scientists to visualize the world around us are jumping on Turing, NVIDIA’s newly launched Turing GPU architecture.
blogs.nvidia.com
Pixar’s Proprietary Software, “RenderMan” uses Nvidia graphics
I wish the pricing would be lower and there’s official Nvidia GPU support. Maybe thru a hack Nvidia GPUs may still be installed in the 2019 Mac Pro but companies would prefer an official support. Just my thoughts.
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The 2019 New Mac Pro might be a Niche Market machine. Aside from it’s high pricing, crucial is the lack of Official Nvidia GPU support, driver support on the latest OS. There pro users using softwares with Nvidia compatibility. Like the “Big Players” Industrial Light and Magic, Dreamworks Animation using Nvidia GPUs in HP workstations for their 3D and motion graphics effects. I may be wrong, but it’s likely Nvidia and HP assigns a team for monthly tech support which Apple may not offer.
Lights, Camera, Quadro! The Magic Behind 11 Years of Oscar-Worthy Visual Effects
The Oscar nominations are in, and for the 11th year in a row, NVIDIA Quadro GPUs are behind every movie nominated for Best Visual Effects.blogs.nvidia.comIndustrial Light & Magic
Since 1975, Industrial Light & Magic (ILM) has set the standard for visual effects and established a legacy of innovative and iconic storytelling.
World’s Top Graphics Software Companies Are Already Adopting NVIDIA RTX Capabilities. Here’s Why.
The leading software providers representing many of the most important applications for designing the products we use, the cars we drive, the movies we watch and even for scientists to visualize the world around us are jumping on Turing, NVIDIA’s newly launched Turing GPU architecture.blogs.nvidia.com
Pixar’s Proprietary Software, “RenderMan” uses Nvidia graphics
I wish the pricing would be lower and there’s official Nvidia GPU support. Maybe thru a hack Nvidia GPUs may still be installed in the 2019 Mac Pro but companies would prefer an official support. Just my thoughts.
that's almost like a marketing message from Nvidia. Wait, it IS a marketing message from Nvidia, several of them in fact.
Don't we have to wait for systems to actually ship (this year or 2020) to answer this question?
well that’s what they promised to deliver, and what’s on their website. I guess things could change, hopefully for the better
The machine is for more niche market than what a trashcan once targeted.
People here defend Apple’s decision to abandon enthousiasts, but you know, majority of drivers who had purchased Pro desktop lines from Apple are enthusiasts and small business folks.
Fact of matter is that serious players requiring heavy stuff have already moved to cloud.
Except small niche market where you have to rely on Apple only apps and in case where look of your gear is part of marketing tool, you gotta be out of mind to even consider investing in Apple at this point. How can they trust Apple? What if this model fails commercially, and they decide to not provide upgrade for 6 years?
Commercially, this is going to fail. Whatever professional also purchased trashcans when it came out, and look at what happened to them.
If I have to bet, i’d bet, but only time will tell who’s right wont it?
Good luck at those planning to purchase 7.1. Unfortunately, your purchase won’t save 7.1.
Let’s see how it goes.
People here defend Apple’s decision to abandon enthousiasts, but you know, majority of drivers who had purchased Pro desktop lines from Apple are enthusiasts and small business folks.
Fact of matter is that serious players requiring heavy stuff have already moved to cloud.
Except small niche market where you have to rely on Apple only apps and in case where look of your gear is part of marketing tool, you gotta be out of mind to even consider investing in Apple at this point. How can they trust Apple? What if this model fails commercially, and they decide to not provide upgrade for 6 years?
Commercially, this is going to fail. Whatever professional also purchased trashcans when it came out, and look at what happened to them.
If I have to bet, i’d bet, but only time will tell who’s right wont it?
Good luck at those planning to purchase 7.1. Unfortunately, your purchase won’t save 7.1.
Let’s see how it goes.
Not necessarily. If you aren't expecting to sell more than 25,000 and you get 50,000 orders, it wouldn't be a failure.
I am sure it will only sell a small fraction of the cheesegraters or the trashcan.
I suspect the biggests purchasers will be the folks that are making shows for TV+. After all, that was a very big driver for the cheesegrater (Job's investment in Pixar.).
I am sure it will only sell a small fraction of the cheesegraters or the trashcan.
I suspect the biggests purchasers will be the folks that are making shows for TV+. After all, that was a very big driver for the cheesegrater (Job's investment in Pixar.).
There are a lot of customers out there looking for Xeon workstations. I think a big measure of success if going to be how many customers Apple can pull back/away from their competitors. Stuff like Nvidia is going to be a part of that.
Intel has pretty well cleaved the workstation market from the prosumer market. You can’t support the high end and low end on one board anymore, and this Mac Pro is very coupled to the higher PCIe lane count of the Xeon. (The large number of PCIe slots was a big ask from pros, it should be noted.)
There wasn’t really an option for Apple to build a cheaper version of the Mac Pro. Not unless they built two machines under one brand like HP does with the Z series.
And it’s better they went for the high end. They can always revisit the low end later, but the high end customers are really the ones without any alternatives right now.
What I frequently hear is that Apple considers the MacBook Pro to be the new prosumer Mac, and the iMac Pro is to fill in any remaining gaps. The MacBook Pro is probably a big reason that Apple isn’t delivering a desktop in the same tier.
Intel has pretty well cleaved the workstation market from the prosumer market. You can’t support the high end and low end on one board anymore, and this Mac Pro is very coupled to the higher PCIe lane count of the Xeon. (The large number of PCIe slots was a big ask from pros, it should be noted.)
There wasn’t really an option for Apple to build a cheaper version of the Mac Pro. Not unless they built two machines under one brand like HP does with the Z series.
And it’s better they went for the high end. They can always revisit the low end later, but the high end customers are really the ones without any alternatives right now.
What I frequently hear is that Apple considers the MacBook Pro to be the new prosumer Mac, and the iMac Pro is to fill in any remaining gaps. The MacBook Pro is probably a big reason that Apple isn’t delivering a desktop in the same tier.