In addition to those Nvidia recalls, Apple has recalled Macs and MacBooks on a few occasions for ATI/AMD as well. If Apple dropped every graphics vendor they had widespread recalls over, we'd be stuck with Intel.
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Is the new Mac Pro a failure?
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In addition to those Nvidia recalls, Apple has recalled Macs and MacBooks on a few occasions for ATI/AMD as well. If Apple dropped every graphics vendor they had widespread recalls over, we'd be stuck with Intel.
lol.
people go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about benchmark comparisons and how this thing destroys that thing and how such&such sux for 'real' work or 'real pros' etc..
and i ask for an example of these insane speed increases or how so&so is much more productive on windows than osx..
and i'm asking a baited question?
wow
it'd be nice if many of you all simply added a signature "hey, just btw.. nothing i say has to do with using the computer to get a job done.. i don't actually use my computer for anything other than speed tests."
because if you did actually use these things for the purposes they're designed, you'd realize much of what youre saying is bulloney
might as well throw in 'faster at transferring files' because, that too, is something that i'm not working on.. only the computer is working in your examples.
it doesn't make my day or my work speed up any.
The point of the benchmarks was certain parties went on and on about how nVidia isn't capable of being used in professional software. They went on and on about OpenCL and how it is the only thing that matters. The benchmarks of their choice was a way to shut them down one way or another. No longer can they go on and on about how AMD graphics chips are better then AMD. I would hope that anyone with sense would now understand why I really want to see nVidia in the next Mac Pro. If you are going to spend 5+ grand the machine needs to be faster then a iMac.
No but it saps the speed out of programs being worked on in the foreground.
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oh comeOn daisy..
don't resort to that crap.. do you know what i do? do you know how i use a computer? do you know what software i use? do you know how much money i make via projects in which my computers are being utilized in the creation of?
no?
ok.. then don't tell me i don't understand.. and don't tell me what i think a pro machine is.
i'm pretty freaking sure i'm more 'pro' than the lot of you.. and that's what's so nuts.. i'm the one using these things day in day out for my livelihood yet you all are sitting here trying to teach me about what pros need.. nuts
From the guy who doesn't even own a nMP.
Right now I have 5 @ 12 Core Mac Pros.
2 of the "trash can" variety, the rest cMP.
But the guy who settled for an iMac is the expert.
Okey doke.
1x nMP, sold after 1 year
2x personal 5,1s
3x at work
Go back to your iMac business, punk.
haha.
sweet.
here's the conundrum.. if i were to explain how much wrong were in this post of yours, the only people who would understand it are the people who already understand it.. you certainly wouldn't get it.
realistically, i should probably just bow out of this conversation for a while.. some of you all are going to blow your wig pretty soon
(and then, of course, blame me for your behavior)
my computer is way more awesome than an imac.. much more beneficial/functional than a nmp (for the time being at least)..
you've apparently missed it the first time around.. and i'm sure you will the second time around too.. but:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/is-the-new-mac-pro-a-failure.1939541/page-12#post-22308414
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It is just odd that the lead proselytizer for the nMP, who may very well have the most posts in this poll, came to the conclusion that the nMP failed to meet his needs, and went with another computer instead.
Which is in fact what this thread is about. Rather thick irony.
Well, at least you managed to get one of the last CUDA capable Macs, that was a good move.
Their last CPU core was a utter failure and their graphics where meh. I don't want them to go under but they are so far behind they border on irrelevance.
you just keep repeating the same things, the same 'logic', over and over..
i'm pretty sure i've directly addressed all four of your points so i'll just keep linking back to those responses.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/is-the-new-mac-pro-a-failure.1939541/page-15#post-22317137
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Wow - everyone seems to be venting their holiday angst on Macrumours before the first work day of the new year....
Hope y'all had a happy and a merry.
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ps: My big holiday "gift" was to buy a dozen GTX980Ti cards for our machine learning cluster... Many CUDAs will give their lives for our research.
Hope y'all had a happy and a merry.
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ps: My big holiday "gift" was to buy a dozen GTX980Ti cards for our machine learning cluster... Many CUDAs will give their lives for our research.
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No worries, you don't have to prove anything to me. No need to be defensive. You made a good choice.
We are all aware that having a GPU that can work with BOTH OpenCl and CUDA is a better deal than one that is limited to just OpenCl. Especially now that Apple has moved on to Metal.
You weren't foolish enough to purchase a machine that limited your rendering options like the patsies buying more limited Macs. It was wise behavior.
No one is trying to teach you. If you don't understand the difference between disposable consumer goods and a workstation at this point there isn't anything I can do for you.
Edit: Other then bring up the concern about heat. How hot does your iMac get? Electro migration ring a bell.
..and what's the vintage of your workstation?
probably like 1997 or so?
you're seriously freaking kidding yourself if you consider a macbook to be a disposable consumer good while this:
http://www.boxxtech.com/products/apexx-4?PROD102
..is not a disposable consumer good.
And our finance people commented on the "end of year bump" on my corporate AmEx card. (Yes, I can charge a dozen 980Ti cards on one ticket.)
Which one?
Interesting builder site. I'll have to research them.
You can't possibly have no concept of what the term disposable means. Are you trolling?
If a processor burns out on a soldered MacBook you get a new logic board. If the machine is out of warranty you buy a new machine. That is disposable. The desktop in question you buy a new processor and keep going. Of course eventually a platform reaches end of life but one part failing doesn't require the entire machine to be thrown out.
why do you people always keep asking that?
for the record, no, i'm not trolling.
you're saying things that don't make much sense and i'm arguing your position.
and what? you can't change a processor in an imac? or a mac pro?
you can swap all the parts in nmp.. the thing is very modular in design in case you haven't noticed already.
yeah, well.. according to you, end of life comes very quickly for a professional machine.. here's what you said earlier (and it's one reason why i'm having such a difficult time accepting your 'disposable consumer goods' claims.
there are cMps still under warranty even.. the machine that's often touted as being a real workstation.. and a money saving upgradeable thing etc..
and you're saying it's hopelessly outdated ??
you're talking about instances of a $10000 purchase being outdated after less than a decade. (much less than a decade in many cases)..
how is that not to be seen as 'disposable consumer goods'
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where'd you come from
what goalposts? where were they initially pointing and where have i tried to move them to?
look.. this isn't moving goalposts:
i'm told i don't understand the difference between disposable consumer goods and workstations..
i'm told cmp is a workstation
i'm told cmp is "hopelessly outdated"
i'm not moving goalposts.. i'm legitimately confused by the point which is attempting to show my misunderstanding of workstation vs disposable item..
and i'm asking for clarification.
either that or for daisy to see what's right in front of our faces.. that all this PC electronic crap we're sitting here arguing about is entirely disposable and will be completely worthless in less than twenty years.
(and hey, if i'm stretching it on my wishes.. i'd also wish for people to quit placing blame squarely on the manufacturers for this phenomena.. at least half the blame is on us.. the consumers.. 'pro' or not.. we're all just a bunch of product sponges.)
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Good grief. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
"i'm told cmp is a workstation" -- Yeah, like ya know, lots of SATA ports and drive bays, several PCIe slots, duel socket option... that kind of thing
'i'm told cmp is "hopelessly outdated"' -- Which was probably stated by the fact that its capped at Westmere, SATA II, PCIe 2, DDR3, stuff like that.
It isn't so much that if someone bought their Mac Pro in 2010 that its hot garbage in 2016, its that to buy the thing today as if it were "new" or to compare it to a machine being sold as "new" today is absurd. What everyone here is talking about is the fictional, well-updated cMP vs nMP.
Well of course. Everything is disposable at some point. Nothing lasts forever; not much even lasts 20 years, sadly. The term "disposable" is usually thrown around because something doesn't last as long as predecessors or competitors. Arguably that's true on both counts for the nMP.
Ah, the chicken and the egg argument. What comes first, what we want or what apple makes? Anyway, the blame is probably split a lot more ways than two. But personally my basic thought process goes something like this.
Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world and THE wealthiest tech company. So this means basically two things:
1) We have to give them a lot of credit for knowing what's profitable.
2) What ever they choose to do, they have the resources to get it right.
The repercussions of this is that A) the cMP wasn't profitable enough for Apple's taste, B) they thought they could "think different" and create a nMP that would be better in that regard and C) the nMP is exactly what they wanted it to be in order to drive the required profit margin.
On part A, I have to think they were right. The consumer(prosumer/pro, what ever) market for the cMP was probably shrinking and in that market price competition from Dell/HP/others was probably tougher than in the desktop/laptop markets. All meaning shrinking margins and smaller numbers of sales. So then came part B and C. They probably thought they could design a sexy, workstation-ish machine, slap the Mac Pro name on it and distance themselves from some "box with slots" workstation competition. They cut back on things like RAM, simple material costs in the smaller form factor, low priced GPUs with reduced VRAM (i.e. the D300 looking like the W7000 but with have the VRAM), weak power supplies, no internal expansion capabilities, single socket only, all to save on costs. But then they actually hiked the price. It was all a clever ploy to move the iMac profit margins into the workstation market.
But now we've blown right past one upgrade possibility (with Haswell and the AMD WX100 series) so far that it makes no sense to update until the next refresh from Intel and AMD. This tells me the market for this new machine probably wasn't as good as they were hoping. If these things were exceeding expectations and the brass was happy with it, you'd think they'd want to keep it competitive and do an update, but that hasn't happened.
So who's at fault and for what part of this failure to have a truly nMP here in early 2016 or just a well updated cMP?
I lean towards the answer that the market is what the market is, so you can't blame the consumer. We all collectively make individual cost/benefit choices, ya know creating the invisible hand and all. So, yeah, its Apple's fault. They went through all these gyrations to tack the nMP away from Dell/HP workstations but the boom hit them in the head in the process and now the nMP is a ship with an unconscious helmsmen.
Maybe the poor bastard will wake up with Broadwell and what ever it is the AMD is pushing out this summer....?
I'd have to get three quotes, run them through finance to find out which I can buy, then find the person with the magic card....
It must be nice
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