Don't interrupt with your facts and reason, please!Now we got awkward. Discussion about scroll bars.
Does it make Mac Pro a failure?
Our windows had proper scroll bars! *waves cane*
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Is the new Mac Pro a failure?
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Our windows had proper scroll bars! *waves cane*
I am constantly amazed at people who comment about off topic discussions? Given the thread is 68 pages in length what more need be said about the original topic?Don't interrupt with your facts and reason, please!
Our windows had proper scroll bars! *waves cane*
Subject drift is normal, especially on a rumors site where we don't really have hard fact to discuss.
Beside, it's the mods job to decide what belongs to a thread or not. If you feel this thread is going nowhere then you can petition the mods to either closing it or to bring it back in order...
Beside, it's the mods job to decide what belongs to a thread or not. If you feel this thread is going nowhere then you can petition the mods to either closing it or to bring it back in order...
Haha, you did not get the sarcasm in both of the posts there?
I was just making fun of discussing the idea of scroll bars in a thread called: "Is the Mac Pro a failure?" as if the scroll bars were making it a failure
I was just making fun of discussing the idea of scroll bars in a thread called: "Is the Mac Pro a failure?" as if the scroll bars were making it a failure
Scrolls bars really. I'll have to go back and look but I don't think the usability of Apple's interface is a failure. I'm curious who brought that up. LOLHaha, you did not get the sarcasm in both of the posts there?
I was just making fun of discussing the idea of scroll bars in a thread called: "Is the Mac Pro a failure?" as if the scroll bars were making it a failure
Haha, you did not get the sarcasm in both of the posts there?
I was just making fun of discussing the idea of scroll bars in a thread called: "Is the Mac Pro a failure?" as if the scroll bars were making it a failure
Next time add the /s at the end... It is not really simple to detect sarcasm on a web forum, especially after reading so many Flat Five post...
No one said it was a failure... Just that over the year GUI "improvement" haven't really upped the productivity and in some case have introduced extra steps to do the same thing as before.
Isn't that a little beyond the scope of this topic?
I guess maybe Apple decided that scroll bars where a outdated concept like cd drives.
With PCs getting trackpads with gestures and apple having the Magic Mouse and Magic Track Pad I guess they figured the scroll gesture could be context sensitive just like a right click. Now you scroll whatever your mouse cursor is on without having to move all the way to the scroll bar.
I haven't really thought about it much but having mentioned it I remember my old Inspiron e1505 that I had and Windows Vista loaded on it. I used to have to move the cursor to the scroll bar and then use them to scroll up and down. It was ok at the time but now I think I would cry if I had to go back to that. In that sense I think Apple has done exceedingly well in making the interface intuitive.
Some changes are doing their job if users don't have to think about them. Just like a powerful machine that does everything so fast that you don't have to think about the machine.
Everything is just about off topic now since about the fifth page or so. All discussion on web forums tends to drift the longer that they go, that's the nature of the beast.
And I think your are making it bigger than what it is. It was only something said in passing, not a major point worthy of debate...
I loveed my HTC 8x. If Microsoft would make an actual commitment to Windows Phone maybe it might go somewhere. Until then it's iPhone and Galaxy for me.
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I can't say I'm in agreement on either Apple or Microsoft (or Linux for that matter) making systems any easier / more intuitive to use. In fact, with the constant changes they make, I think they're doing just the opposite.
I would like to see what Microsoft could do with their windows 10 phone. It just doesn't seem like the carriers are carrying it.
I haven't followed Linux very much if at all in the last decade. However Windows and OS X have changed considerably. I can understand how people can get set in their ways of how they want the interface to remain.
I have grumbled about the changes to iMovie quite a bit over the years. I think I understand what you are getting at. Unfortunately change is a constant.
IMO this is a huge issue with the phone. Microsoft recently released two high end phones and I think only AT&T is carrying one of them. Microsoft needs to provide incentive to get more carriers to carry it.
It's not that I'm set in my ways. It's the fact with every new interface users have to re-learn things. The basics have remained relatively unchanged but the nuances keep changing. I welcome changes which led to improvement however it seems changes of late (late being defined throughout the life of OS X and Windows since Windows NT) seem to be mostly for the sake of change. That's what I am frustrated with.I haven't followed Linux very much if at all in the last decade. However Windows and OS X have changed considerably. I can understand how people can get set in their ways of how they want the interface to remain.
I have grumbled about the changes to iMovie quite a bit over the years. I think I understand what you are getting at. Unfortunately change is a constant.
Sadly I use Verizon for my cell phone for work and personal use. They have one model to pick from and it is far from the best. This is a death spiral as it is right now for Microsoft. They either need to make an unlocked phone and sell it directly that I can connect to Verizon or get Verizon to stock the better models too.
Windows 8 and Windows 10 changed a lot from Windows 7. I grew to like the Windows 8 start screen the moment I realized that it was a full screen spotlight like feature that included on screen shortcuts making it a hybrid between spotlight and launchpad. I set Windows 10 up to be similar. My gripe with Windows 10 is the start screen went backwards in configurability which was unnecessary.
A lot of the UI changes are for style and purely a new coat of paint. However without this change new features are not invented or thought up and people get bored.
They do the same thing with cars which by the way there is a reason why body styles change every 5 to 7 years ... car loans and the buying cycle.
Everything is about generating more money which is in no way a bad thing. Sometimes though it gots to a extreme. I'm undecided on the interface in OS X. I don't think that Apple has gone too far on the consumer line of products but the Mac Pro feels incomplete.
I'm not sold on the nMP in terms of longevity but there is something to say about not having to tinker with it.
I think you can buy both models directly from Microsoft. However I'm not sure if they'll work with Verizon. Microsoft really needs to start pushing their phones hard. Their lackadaisical effort doesn't convey to me any kind of commitment to the platform.
Specifically what configurability did you lose with Windows 10?
I understand the need to keep things "new" and "fresh" and I'm not wholly against freshening up the look. It's the changes, which amount to no benefit, which cause one to have to learn the new way of doing things that's the problem. But I can even see an argument to be made for leaving the interface alone. An OS is not the reason people use computers. They use them to run applications. For example I am typing this in an application and not an OS. The amount of time I interact with an OS is minimal compared to applications. So why does it need to be constantly changing?
I know this is going to be unpopular here on a Mac forum but I find OS X no easier / harder to use than Windows. Or Linux. They all basically work the same. In the earlier days of computing I was a hardcore Mac OS advocate...spent a lot of my time in comp.sys.mac.advocacy championing the Macintosh to all the Windows users who questioned its superiority. However, with the release of Windows XP and OS X, the two platforms became, IMO, equals. I no longer find one more capable / stable / easier than the other...just different. What I'd really love to see is OS X underpinngs with the Mac OS "everything else".
I think Apple has shortened the nMP longevity. For example I see a local retail outlet selling a refurbished MBA..the one with 64GB of SSD and 2GB of RAM. Given these low specs and the lack of upgradability on the RAM this system is a poor value at roughly $400. Even at $300 it would be. Possibly so at $200. If I could upgrade the RAM it may be something to consider. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way as it's been forsale for over three months.
If you ever loved a windows phone or a samsung **** phone, then if you say the trash can is not a failure, it must be the biggest failure in the history of failures.
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In Windows 8.1 you could have more columns in a group. This limits the group to three medium size tiles. What if I wanted two of the 2x1 tiles side by side? Not on Windows 10.
Speaking of scroll bars, it reminded me of this article.
Their approach to UI has echoes of their approach to the nMP design.
Digilloyd refers to this downward rend as Apple Core Rot. We can only hope Apple takes this critique to heart and reverses this trend.
Their approach to UI has echoes of their approach to the nMP design.
Digilloyd refers to this downward rend as Apple Core Rot. We can only hope Apple takes this critique to heart and reverses this trend.
Complete rubbish. Oculus have paused development on OSX partly because there is no direct monitor mode but mostly to have single focused goal. They have said they will come back to it and have been hinted they have been working with apple on a direct VR mode.
It's only a laught stock for you buddy - It entirely depends what you do with it. I have made a lot of money out of my nMP if only as I can take it with me abroad or anywhere I need to go. It's a tool and what you can do with it is entirely up to you. Bad workmen blames his tools and all that... I know many many people that have tricked out overclocked PCs and can do Jakck with them... All the gear and no Idea.
People bang on about upgrades and guess what in 90% of the hundreds of places I've worked - Computers are NOT upgraded beyond some memory and perhaps a second drive. most never even filled or even knew there were 4 hard drive slots in the old mac pro - this is not just Mac thing. Windows Workstations are bought with whatever config and then not touched. A lot of companies won't even upgrade the OS for fear of borking their editing machine.
I do agree it needs an update and they really should make the graphics cards updatable. who knows they may well make it an in-store upgrade available when the new one comes out.
They are not interested in the hobbiest home user with this machine for sure... and the key thing about Apple is they like to keep control over the hardware as this allows for controlled experience... something you never get in the wild wild west of windows.
Well, you did use the word "never".There is always an exception to the rule, right?
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Who cares if the hundreds (hundreds...really?) of places you have worked did not upgrade their systems. The reality is there are people who do and the nMP eliminated the one OS X system which provided that capability. The people who are upset are the people who want / need the upgradability. I fail to see why this is such a hard concept for some people to grasp.
Other computers may not be upgraded but they aren't locked down by ****** design decision either.
You may not upgrade them after the fact but you can bloody well configure them to your need. You can also replace a failed part yourself without the need to take an appointment with an Apple store and risk being turned back for arriving five minutes late (this happened to me twice already). In fact, HP and Dell offer on site service for their workstation.
Need can also evolves. Many workstation at my job that were bought for Autocad were later converted to Catia workstation by simply replacing the low powered Quadro MVS350 for the top of the lone K model. Good luck doing that with the nMP...
Which most are preconfigured.
Under warrantee....A user replaceable part...Yes. A non-user replaceable part...No
If you are not early, you are late. Genius Bars tend to be very busy.
So does Apple, I know as my Mac Pro is covered for on site repair.
A good IT department will repurpose or already have a replacement ready. They are not going to have you wait around for an upgrade with down time in productivity.
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