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iPhone 16 Pro Max Issues with ProRAW 48 and stock camera app

nunolikeapple said:
update, got the second unit today. (17 PM)

Same results as previous.

Horrible and blurry results from wide camera in proraw 48, with native camera app, this time.

Samples 16 PM vs 17PM, same conditions.
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Is this only an issue with ProRAW, or also with HEIC 24MP (shot through native camera app)? And are you viewing the ProRAW in Lightroom or directly in the native photos app?

My 17 Pro is having the exact same issue as my 16 Pro, where ProRAW's are blurred/smudged similar to yours, but HEIC's are not.
 
nunolikeapple said:
update, got the second unit today. (17 PM)

Same results as previous.

Horrible and blurry results from wide camera in proraw 48, with native camera app, this time.

Samples 16 PM vs 17PM, same conditions.
Click to expand...
Well, that sucks! Even though I've partially switched over to Samsung Galaxy S25 ultra, i felt like I was about to pull the trigger on a deep blue 17 pro max, but I think I'll hold off. Since I have the 16 pro max, I think it would probably be a waste of money to get the 17 Pro Max especially since the wide & ultra wide cameras are exactly the same as what's on the 16 pro max. I'm hardly using my iPhone anymore anyway, mainly controlling home kit accessories at the house and a few other apps with it. Apparently, apple is making their phones for sale and pushing them out as quickly as possible, Unfinished. They call these phones pro version iphones, but they don't operate like a pro. I'm guessing it's software related, but you would think that iOS 26 would handle everything else so much better. Sorry that the replacement didn't work any better.
 
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rapishorrid said:
Is this only an issue with ProRAW, or also with HEIC 24MP (shot through native camera app)? And are you viewing the ProRAW in Lightroom or directly in the native photos app?

My 17 Pro is having the exact same issue as my 16 Pro, where ProRAW's are blurred/smudged similar to yours, but HEIC's are not.
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I tested only ProRaw 48 with native and ProCam app. (same results on both).
Need to investigate more with JPEG- max and HEIC files.
 
ToddH said:
Well, that sucks! Even though I've partially switched over to Samsung Galaxy S25 ultra, i felt like I was about to pull the trigger on a deep blue 17 pro max, but I think I'll hold off. Since I have the 16 pro max, I think it would probably be a waste of money to get the 17 Pro Max especially since the wide & ultra wide cameras are exactly the same as what's on the 16 pro max. I'm hardly using my iPhone anymore anyway, mainly controlling home kit accessories at the house and a few other apps with it. Apparently, apple is making their phones for sale and pushing them out as quickly as possible, Unfinished. They call these phones pro version iphones, but they don't operate like a pro. I'm guessing it's software related, but you would think that iOS 26 would handle everything else so much better. Sorry that the replacement didn't work any better.
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Truly disappointing…
Im already in line with Apple assistance.
New report again in coming!
Last year, pixelation.
This year, blurriness.
 
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It seems that under various conditions the app decides that the 1x has the better aperture to capture light and opts for a 12 MP crop of the main lens. In bright daylight you get 4x, beyond a certain ISO they switch to 1x cropped. There are other factors, effects, live image, fast shooting etc. At the moment Halide is the best way to get 48 MP ProRAW from the tele.

The 4x otherwise IS an upgrade. Apart from the fact that is a nicer zoom level that 5 was, you get 100mm equivalent in 48 MP and 8x in the (rather bad) same 12MP the 16 offered. With decent light and Halide, the 4x now offers almost the same quality as the 1x. Both are not even on the the level of a good m43 chip, not to mention full frame or middle format, but vs the 16, the 17 offers a much-improved tele.
 
lindros2 said:
but if you call Apple, like I did, they'll blame you and request performing hours of diagnostic step-by-step troubleshooting.

It's our fault. It's the software. It's the beta (I hoped that would fix it). It's isolated.

Mine is going back.
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Yes i can relate…
I will be contacted tomorrow by them…
Lets raise and escalate this situation again.
 
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Artsketch said:
I have done that with the 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max, but the only right decision was to go back to a used 14 Pro in mint condition and stay there until some day Apple release an equal main lens again.
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which is funny... my 15 Pro Max has been excellent.
Maybe - just maybe - it is the batch of devices?
(my 15PM was produced Oct 2024, not early)
 
Add me to the ranks of people severely underwhelmed by the 17 Pro telephoto so far. It's blurry to the point of unusability in many shots. Here's 4 images of the same tree in the distance - ProRaw taken in 12MP and 48MP mode, a native 12MP RAW (shot using ProCamera), and a 20MP RAW from my little Panasonic Micro 4/3 camera at the same zoom for comparison.

I can forgive a dedicated camera being better at 20MP than the 17 Pro is at 48MP, but I'm seriously struggling as to why the 12MP RAW would show far more detail in e.g. the lower tree branches than the ProRaw option does, especially the 48MP. The latter is just a smudgy, blurry mess.

12MP ProRaw
IQRivNir-Ol8TJrLpYdMBmh0AWXyifoifUcNlPt49iDbSD0


48MP ProRaw
IQRMQqhK3x1gQ7qk868dRz3HAR_0O1HBucnXs6C0-muqzdQ


12MP RAW
IQQ7oaRsULfgQ5chFKLkkOvSATKl86xxAEBuwQBw7swshyc


20MP M4/3 RAW
IQRs74Pw87epQoctC1m6DyP6AZW2mUrJezXJSNvz-64Px0w
 
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