It's about time someone sent Jobs to the "LOONIE BIN!"

[jefhatfield]

After the release of Boot Camp, this thread seems just that much more stupid.

geez, i knew i heard something on abc radio today

first we had macs switch to ibm processors when people feared the ny company, then intel's usb on macs - ouch!!, then universal motherboard architecture for macs, then microsoft office for macs, then os x on intel, and now...what many feared, microsoft windows on macs

i actually like the idea and though i can dual boot now on my mactel imac, i will spend most of the time in os x anyway...but now i have the option to run both operating systems natively

 

[mmmcheese]

from vertigo, the U2 song

I knew what it was referring to...but at least according to Bono, it's proper Gaelic (and not Spanish like everyone says)...of course I don't know Gaelic, so I have no way of checking that.

http://www.atu2.com/lyrics/lyrics.src?VID=150&SID=677

 

[lonelemur90]

with the announcement of boot camp today, apple has done just the opposite and has now cornered the OS X/Microsoft dual boot market. prices will shoot through the roof. also, Microsoft concentrates ONLY on software and look at the quality of XP; its full of holes and glitches and will occasionaly freeze the computer, forcing a reboot. one of the things that makes apple so magical is that they make the operating system and the hardware to complement each other.

 

[jefhatfield]

I knew what it was referring to...but at least according to Bono, it's proper Gaelic (and not Spanish like everyone says)...of course I don't know Gaelic, so I have no way of checking that.

http://www.atu2.com/lyrics/lyrics.src?VID=150&SID=677

my ex wife is gaelic so i will ask her

she met me (as i mentioned above i am of japanese descent) when i was wearing a pin that said "kiss me, i'm irish"...she said, "you're not irish", but i said she could still kiss me

being shy and all and the total geek, think that character from "goonies", i thought some girl somewhere would pay attention to me, and low and behold, a really fine gaelic chick!!

oh, and ironically, my buddy who lived in the same dorm was an irish guy who was into japanese girls and he asked if i had a sister...many years later i met an asian girl, who worked with my gaelic wife, who was married to an irish guy, and i knew this other irish guy who married a whole string of asian girls...man, there must be some sort of weird conspiracy here!?

 

[marchcapital]

After the release of Boot Camp, this thread seems just that much more stupid.

hmmm...your rite milo, what a stupid thread. it just has 6 pages and more then 125 posts.

 

[dr_lha]

if pc users will pay $399.99CAD for Windows XP Professional Edition, why wouldnt they pay $299.99 or $349.99 for Mac OS X? i know i would if i could legally dual boot it, and xp on my pc.

Most PC users don't pay $400CAD for Windows XP though, it comes with their computers.

 

[dr_lha]

margin is THE key in a business where your product is meant to sell in large numbers

No doubt, but could Apple sell large quantities of OS X without the desirable hardware? Right now Apple are selling an Image, and part of that image is having that shiny silver laptop with the Apple logo glowing on the back. If they just sold OS X instead that would make them... Microsoft... and how uncool are they?

I know this seems like shallow crap, but trust me, its called marketing, and it sells computers and makes Apple $$$.

could apple sell os x to pc vendors and make money? why not?

The question you should be asking is, can they sell OS X to PC vendors and make as much money as they are now. I think the honest answer is: No.

 

[marchcapital]

Most PC users don't pay $400CAD for Windows XP though, it comes with their computers.

thats why i said xp pro...cause that doesnt usually come standard unless you buy a really expensive pc. home comes standard on pcs and if ppl want pro they have to pay$$$.

 

[marchcapital]

No doubt, but could Apple sell large quantities of OS X without the desirable hardware? Right now Apple are selling an Image, and part of that image is having that shiny silver laptop with the Apple logo glowing on the back. If they just sold OS X instead that would make them... Microsoft... and how uncool are they?

I know this seems like shallow crap, but trust me, its called marketing, and it sells computers and makes Apple $$$.


The question you should be asking is, can they sell OS X to PC vendors and make as much money as they are now. I think the honest answer is: No.

i understand what your saying. but in my argument im not saying that apple should stop selling their own hardware....because there are ppl that go for the whole look like designers. im not a designer im a real estate investor, i look for a computer thats reliable, productive, and of good quality. Mac OS X has all three of those attributes, but apples hardware does not. its no good for me to buy a condo because it looks good on the outside, i have to examin the foundation first. if the foundation is firm and going to last then i concentrate on the image. if i sell somthing that falls apart, its going to be hard for me to sell somthing in the future.

 

[Timepass]

thats why i said xp pro...cause that doesnt usually come standard unless you buy a really expensive pc. home comes standard on pcs and if ppl want pro they have to pay$$$.

Ok first off your understanding of the M$ break down of its OS pricing is pretty poor

Edu upgrade is 80 bucks
OEM of pro is 140
Upgraded 200 bucks
Full retail is 300 bucks or so

That about is for XP pro
Next we can look at home

Edu (I dont believe there is one)
OEM 92ish
upgrade 100 bucks
Full retial I believe is 200

I may be a little wrong on the retail pricing but the others I know more for sure.

 

[marchcapital]

instead of argueing over what the exact price actually is like children...why dont we concentrate on what is relavent. if OS X is a better OS then windows, wouldn't you expect to pay more for it?

 

[jefhatfield]

Ok first off your understanding of the M$ break down of its OS pricing is pretty poor

i think some here are talking canadian dollars and some american dollars

but we here in the states can solve that issue very fast...we can invade canada...first, because we are bigger and george w is mighty strongs...and second, because they would never expect it

 

[Maedus]

Ok you find me a computer you can legally install OSX on it that did not come with an Apple OS on it to start with.
I' waitng....
Oh you faile to find one because there are none to be found.

You could always build your own Apple-compatible computer. It may be difficult finding all the necessary parts, but possible. I doubt there's any financial incentives to doing, but there is a computer that can run Mac OS X that did not have Mac OS X on it previously.

http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/41134/Build_Your_Own_G4_That_Will_Run_Mac_Software.html
http://www.macopz.com/buildamac/

 

[marchcapital]

i think some here are talking canadian dollars and some american dollars

but we here in the states can solve that issue very fast...we can invade canada...first, because we are bigger and george w is mighty strongs...and second, because they would never expect it

lol...o my...im canadian but i have to laugh because its so true

 

[jefhatfield]

You could always build your own Apple-compatible computer. It may be difficult finding all the necessary parts, but possible. I doubt there's any financial incentives to doing, but there is a computer that can run Mac OS X that did not have Mac OS X on it previously.

http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/41134/Build_Your_Own_G4_That_Will_Run_Mac_Software.html
http://www.macopz.com/buildamac/

oh come on...we can all do that...we will break into apple and find the parts...we can use the los altos hills as a staging area

 

[yellow]

You could always build your own Apple-compatible computer. It may be difficult finding all the necessary parts, but possible. I doubt there's any financial incentives to doing, but there is a computer that can run Mac OS X that did not have Mac OS X on it previously.

But it's not legal to install OS X on it.

 

[Timepass]

But it's not legal to install OS X on it.

dang you beat me to it. I was going to point on in the EULA that it states that OSX can only be installed on an apple labled computer there for making the home built one illegal and my point still standing on it is impossible ot LEGELLY install an OSX on to a computer that apple did not build and install one of their OS's on. (which in turn makes off the shelf OS buys an upgraded install)

 

[jefhatfield]

But it's not legal to install OS X on it.

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and you certainly don't want to get caught...i have been to os x prison and it's truly a terrible place to be

 

[Maedus]

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and you certainly don't want to get caught...i have been to os x prison and it's truly a terrible place to be

That's because they have Cheetahs and Pumas and Jaguars and Panthers and Tigers (Oh My!) as the guards.

 

[yellow]

and you certainly don't want to get caught...i have been to os x prison and it's truly a terrible place to be

What you do sexually in your spare time is your own business. I prefer to keep on the straight and narrow, as far as my public persona is concerned.

 

[jefhatfield]

What you do sexually in your spare time is your own business. I prefer to keep on the straight and narrow, as far as my public persona is concerned.

actually there is no sex allowed in os x prison...you have to sit in front of a beige computer all day and reinstall windows until it works

 

[hulugu]

And yet everyone's favorite love-to-hate darling, Microsoft, makes software and posted 2005 revenues of $12.2 billion.

I think there's some validity in their business model, too.

The business model is very effective for Microsoft, but I don't believe that Apple would want to emulate the same, especially when they'd be competing with Microsoft directly.
So, Apple should give up a profitable niche, abandon its business model, abandon its main source of profits, lock down the OS with licensing, all so they can compete head-to-head against Microsoft?
Why again?

 

[hulugu]

i understand what your saying. but in my argument im not saying that apple should stop selling their own hardware....because there are ppl that go for the whole look like designers. im not a designer im a real estate investor, i look for a computer thats reliable, productive, and of good quality. Mac OS X has all three of those attributes, but apples hardware does not. its no good for me to buy a condo because it looks good on the outside, i have to examin the foundation first. if the foundation is firm and going to last then i concentrate on the image. if i sell somthing that falls apart, its going to be hard for me to sell somthing in the future.

But, that's just it. An Apple computer is a marriage of foundation and fascia. The hardware is very well-built and is, in my opinion, better than much of the PC world. There are outstanding PCs out there, but they're often as much or more than the equivalent Apple. We can of course argue this all day, but I would say that generally speaking someone who is not tied to Windows should buy a Mac instead. There are exceptions for people who want ToughBooks or tiny Japanese palmtops, but I think Apple offers the best of everything.
Remember, the OS is not the foundation, its the facsia, the hardware is the foundation and the framing.

 

[marchcapital]

thats what i said. i was refuring to the hardware as the foundation, and thats the problem with apples. the hardware looks great, but the quality isnt there. a thinkpad by lenevo does have better quality hardware then apple, no matter what anyone says. although, os x is better then windows.

 

[marchcapital]

i wish i had someone to teach me how to install os x on a pc so i could dual boot...any suggestions? is there any sites that have a step by step process?