It's almost 2016, I can't wait for Google/Android to stop being awful

[ozaz]

Since this thread seems to have turned into a SOT thread, can someone please explain to me how to do a valid/useful SOT test in Android? I've never understood how people do it and why it's considered a valid indicator of battery life.

I mean, if I never turn my screen on the charge will last a long time but I will have a screen on time of 0 minutes. This is an extreme, but the point is that different people will turn their screen on and off for different lengths of time, so unless I'm missing something SOT seems to me to be an indicator that's heavily contaminated by behaviour.

 

[Blaze4G]

if you have to wait 24hours while using your device at the same, how an earth you ever know true SOTs if it is changing all the time?

no clue...I asked the same thing. Had a big debate about it in a next thread with no conclusion of course lol.

 

[mrex]

Since this thread seems to have turned into a SOT thread, can someone please explain to me how to do a valid/useful SOT test in Android? I've never understood how people do it and why it's considered a valid indicator of battery life.

I mean, if I never turn my screen on the charge will last a long time but I will have a screen on time of 0 minutes. This is an extreme, but the point is that different people will turn their screen on and off for different lengths of time, so unless I'm missing something SOT seems to me to be an indicator that's heavily contaminated by behaviour.

Android shows the real "screen on time" since the last charge so you know exactly how much battery the screen has used.

the problem here is that while android is showing the real sot, iphones doesnt and people are compairing these results together or in the worst case, they think Usage in iphones means same as sot.

For example if i check my ipad battery now i get these results:
battery left: 63%
usage: 5 hours 26 minutes
standby: 6hours 17minutes

if i calculate screen on time: around 9hours

and that is impossible or could i say that ipad has still 63% battery left and i have been using it 9hours with the screen on?

 

[nj1266]

On iOS 9 iPhones show SOT per app for a 24 hour period. That is the way the data is presented.

So here is what you do:
1. Fully charge your iPhone
2. Use it for 24 hours. That matches the stand by time at the bottom of the battery screen to the "last 24 hours" period of SOT at close to the top of the screen.
3. Click on the hour icon heading next to last 7 days. This will give you the screen on time per app
3. Manually add the SOT per app. That will give you the total SOT.
4. Usage time will almost always be higher than total screen on time if you do it per 24 hour period.

It is tedious and a PITA to have to monitor 24 hrs of standby time before you can check SOT. But it will give you as accurate a number as you can get of TOTAL SOT for every 24 hrs of stand by time.

 

[ozaz]

Android shows the real "screen on time" since the last charge so you know exactly how much battery the screen has used.

Ok, but it sounds to me like SOT is heavily influenced by user behaviour (per charge cycle, someone who uses their phone a lot will get a higher SOT than someone who does not) and therefore I don't see why people talk about their SOT as a useful gauge when comparing battery endurance with someone else.

I'm talking in general terms, not specifically about Android vs iPhone SOT comparison.

 

[nj1266]

Ok, but it sounds to me like SOT is heavily influenced by user behaviour (per charge cycle, someone who uses their phone a lot will get a higher SOT than someone who does not) and therefore I don't see why people talk about their SOT as a useful gauge when comparing battery endurance with someone else.

I'm talking in general terms, not specifically about Android vs iPhone SOT comparison.

TBH, the most useful gauge is the time between charges. Time elapsed when the phone was unplugged at 100% charge and when it died is the best measure. On that score nothing in the Android sphere beats the iPhone 6/6s Plus.

 

[jamezr]

On iOS 9 iPhones show SOT per app for a 24 hour period. That is the way the data is presented.

So here is what you do:
1. Fully charge your iPhone
2. Use it for 24 hours. That matches the stand by time at the bottom of the battery screen to the "last 24 hours" period of SOT at close to the top of the screen.
3. Click on the hour icon heading next to last 7 days. This will give you the screen on time per app
3. Manually add the SOT per app. That will give you the total SOT.
4. Usage time will almost always be higher than total screen on time if you do it per 24 hour period.

It is tedious and a PITA to have to monitor 24 hrs of standby time before you can check SOT. But it will give you as accurate a number as you can get of TOTAL SOT for every 24 hrs of stand by time.

how do you know those numbers are accurate? what if you don't check it at exactly the 24 hour mark? It's a very flawed process to say the least. Just to be stubborn and say you can get SOT on IOS.

 

[jamezr]

TBH, the most useful gauge is the time between charges. Time elapsed when the phone was unplugged at 100% charge and when it died is the best measure. On that score nothing in the Android sphere beats the iPhone 6/6s Plus.

not true....there are a lot Android phones get same or better battery life as the iphone.....and they can give you accurate SOT to boot!

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobile-phones/1402071/best-battery-life-2015-60-smartphones-tested

 

[nj1266]

I thought surveys are pointless and it is all about personal experience. You have told me that a million times over in previous threads. Now you are pulling up surveys on me. I can pull up Anandtech's battery tests that show that the iPhone plus battery life is unassailable, but then you would tell me that AT is biased. Here is one of the newish 6p getting its ass handed to it by the 6s Plus.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9820/the-google-nexus-6p-review/6

 

[jamezr]

I thought surveys are pointless and it is all about personal experience. You have told me that a million times over in previous threads. Now you are pulling up surveys on me. I can pull up Anandtech's battery tests that show that the iPhone plus battery life is unassailable, but then you would tell me that AT is biased.

Those aren't surveys...they are benchmarks. AT is biased but there are a ton of other sites that do benchmarks too.....
If as you and others have said, the iphone can get 12 hours or more SOT then why doesn't it show in all benchmarks from all sites? Yes...we all use our phones differently.

 

[Blaze4G]

Ok, but it sounds to me like SOT is heavily influenced by user behaviour (per charge cycle, someone who uses their phone a lot will get a higher SOT than someone who does not) and therefore I don't see why people talk about their SOT as a useful gauge when comparing battery endurance with someone else.

I'm talking in general terms, not specifically about Android vs iPhone SOT comparison.

it is heavily influenced by user behaviour. The thing is, the screen is what uses the most power on phones. So the longer SOT you get, usually means the better the battery life is generally on a phone (some cases will be different).

 

[nj1266]

Those aren't surveys...they are benchmarks. AT is biased but there are a ton of other sites that do benchmarks too.....
If as you and others have said, the iphone can get 12 hours or more SOT then why doesn't it show in all benchmarks from all sites? Yes...we all use our phones differently.

I never said that the 6s plus can get 12 hours of SOT. The most I got was 8.7 hours and the average has been 7 hours. Please do not put words in my mouth. I have tracked SOT 6 times on my 6s Plus and the average is 7 hours of SOT.

 

[jamezr]

I never said that the 6s plus can get 12 hours of SOT. The most I got was 8.7 hours and the average has been 7 hours. Please do not put words in my mouth. I have tracked SOT 6 times on my 6s Plus and the average is 7 hours of SOT.

Sorry but since you cannot get accurate SOT from IOS i doubt those numbers. The process you described earlier is flawed and leaves too much room for user error and user diligence to get suspect information.

 

[Blaze4G]

I never said that the 6s plus can get 12 hours of SOT. The most I got was 8.7 hours and the average has been 7 hours. Please do not put words in my mouth. I have tracked SOT 6 times on my 6s Plus and the average is 7 hours of SOT.

Sorry but since you cannot get accurate SOT from IOS i doubt those numbers. The process you described earlier is flawed and leaves too much room for user error and user diligence to get suspect information.

come on guys stop, we went through this in a next thread. 7 hours sounds about right for a 6s+. Anyway you two just agree to disagree.

 

[nj1266]

Sorry but since you cannot get accurate SOT from IOS i doubt those numbers. The process you described earlier is flawed and leaves too much room for user error and user diligence to get suspect information.

I explained to you in detail how it's done and posted two examples of doing it. You have refused to try my method, yet you insist it does not work. Try it before you knock it. You are just scared that you will be proven wrong. The method is accurate and 7 hours average SOT is reasonable for the 6 plus considering how battery efficient iOS is. You are the problem and not the method.

 

[jamezr]

come on guys stop, we went through this in a next thread. 7 hours sounds about right for a 6s+. Anyway you two just agree to disagree.

Hey I am not the one making false statements about iphone SOt and the flawed process to get it.

 

[jamezr]

I explained to you in detail how it's done and posted two examples of doing it. You have refused to try my method, yet you insist it does not work. Try it before you knock it. You are just scared that you will be proven wrong. The method is accurate and 7 hours average SOT is reasonable for the 6 plus considering how battery efficient iOS is. You are the problem and not the method.

right......im not going to jump through those hoops to try to get an inaccurate SOT. IOS does not accurately display SOT. Why can't YOU just admit that? Instead of making claims of a flawed process that makes people jump through a very manual process rife with chances of user error. Just stop now.....Stop making claims you cannot back up.
My iphone gets great battery life. Better than my N5...but not to the extent you say......

 

[nj1266]

right......im not going to jump through those hoops to try to get an inaccurate SOT. IOS does not accurately display SOT. Why can't YOU just admit that? Instead of making claims of a flawed process that makes people jump through a very manual process rife with chances of user error. Just stop now.....

Until you try it, you have no leg to stand on. The process is not flawed. You just refuse to accept the data because it proves you wrong. You did not provide one iota of evidence that the method does not work. You just flat out refused to try it out of fear of being wrong. Try it first then post the data with screen shots to prove that it does not work.

 

[jamezr]

Until you try it, you have no leg to stand on. The process is not flawed. You just refuse to accept the data because it proves you wrong. You did not provide one iota of evidence that the method does not work. You just flat out refused to try it out of fear of being wrong. Try it first then post the data with screen shots to prove that it does not work.

I have tried as me and others have posted numerous times for you in the other thread. The data is not accurate. Here is my present reading....the screen times add up to more than usage times. Then I don't take my phone from the charger at the same time everyday. Leaving out trying to make it at the 24 hour mark so I can manually add up the numbers.
The data is not accurate....

 

[jamezr]

Until you try it, you have no leg to stand on. The process is not flawed. You just refuse to accept the data because it proves you wrong. You did not provide one iota of evidence that the method does not work. You just flat out refused to try it out of fear of being wrong. Try it first then post the data with screen shots to prove that it does not work.

I think we have had enough off topic discussion. Let's not make false claims that can only be backed up with some flawed users error filled process and stick to the thread topic.
Sorry everyone....

 

[nj1266]

I have tried as me and others have posted numerous times for you in the other thread. The data is not accurate. Here is my present reading....the screen times add up to more than usage times. Then I don't take my phone from the charger at the same time everyday. Leaving out trying to make it at the 24 hour mark so I can manually add up the numbers.
The data is not accurate....

You did not log 24 hours of standby time as per the screen shot. Which part of logging 24 hours of stand by time do you not understand. How many times did I repeat that you MUST log 24 hours of standby time? How many times did I say that the app SOT PER 24 HOURS must match the standby time of 24 hours. Do these screen shots do that? NO.

 

[jamezr]

You did not log 24 hours of standby time as per the screen shot. Which part of logging 24 hours of stand by time do you not understand. How many times did I repeat that you MUST log 24 hours of standby time? How many times did I say that the app SOT PER 24 HOURS must match the standby time of 24 hours. Do these screen shots do that? NO.

exactly my point...i guess you missed that in my previous posts in the other thread. i don't WANT to wait 24 hours. I want to get accurate battery SOT information in realtime. But IOS does not display accurate SOT. Even if you manage to get it at just the 24 hour mark...there is no guarantee the information is accurate. Its a flawed process. The information displayed is not accurate. I want to pull the information from my phone....not take some information now and then wait precisely 24 hours just to have the honor of getting out my calculator and adding the information up. How archaic is that! What a stupid process.
Now let's get back on topic.

 

[mrex]

You did not log 24 hours of standby time as per the screen shot. Which part of logging 24 hours of stand by time do you not understand. How many times did I repeat that you MUST log 24 hours of standby time? How many times did I say that the app SOT PER 24 HOURS must match the standby time of 24 hours. Do these screen shots do that? NO.

and this is the problem. when people are telling their great sot times on iphones (12 hours on screen and still 40% left! wow!) i dont think they have left their iphones on the table doing nothing for 24hours, charged them full and checked that everything is showing 0% for sot. people are just taking screenshots and compairing them together..

 

[bkends35]

My question is why did Sasmung dull the crap out of battery stats in settings? I can't even see the detailed graph anymore and half the time I can't even see my SOT because 'screen' isn't in the top 5 battery usages processes.

With that being said, my S6E+ hasn't exactly been great on battery.

 

[macjunk(ie)]

I use a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus as my daily right now (have an iPhone 6S Plus as well). I use it because it is a better device for my needs (vacation pics, front and rear camera) and Samsung Pay is AWESOME, but I just can't help but be appalled at just truly how terrible the software is when comparing it to iOS in many ways.

I'm not even going into Samsung Software because we all know most of it is terrible. Thankfully, one can disable all or most Samsung software and simply use a Material Design theme on top of TouchWiz.

So Google, when are you going to stop being terrible at:

1) Battery life! I can disable every thing from location services, to android device manager, debloat every possible thing, and my iPhone 6S Plus gets 2x days of straight usage, possibly 2 weeks of idle if I left it there. My S6 Edge + gets about 3 days of idle, or maybe 5 hours of screen usage on it.

2) Music! Don't even get me started. Google Play Music is still a beta service. Duplicate tracks, replaced explicit tracks, app not refreshing, taking days to update from changes to online, any changes to playlists not updating for ages. Poor performance in App. Horrible interface. I'm now resorted to using Shuttle + iSyncr. GPM is the epitome of horrible Google coding and engineering. Perpetually stuck in beta software state.

3) Maps! How does Google Maps performance worse in rendering and framerate on Android than iOS? Shameful

4) Apps! Generally, the big name apps are OK. But when looking at most of the equivalent apps on my iOS device, they are almost always behind in features or performance. Google Apps actually perform worse as well, Chrome for example is never consistent in scrolling acceleration and rendering performance. It works better on iOS (probably because Chrome uses Safari's rendering in iOS).

Some things to wish for from Google but will likely never happen:

- iMessage competitor. Just make Hangouts integrate with Google Account, actually work just like iMessage.

- Integrate Hangouts like FaceTime does with Google Account.

Here's to a better Google experience in 2016. Google, please hire some legit software engineers. Your stuff is so half baked compared to Apple, when you're supposed to be a purely software and services company.

Agree with you mostly except music cause I do not have a lot of experience with that

My personal wish list
1) An everywhere dictionary like iOS. In fact, do one better, include pronunciations
2) An optimised browser that is as smooth as Safari on iOS
3) An optimised music player with consistent lock screen controls that can play music stored locally on the phone. It should also be a beautiful app - I am shallow that way
4) No skinning. All OEMs goodies should be packaged as apps
5) Introduce minimum hardware requirements for OEMs (like Microsoft)

Points 3 and 4: so that the platform at least has a semblance of consistency. Android has achieved its purpose...world domination. Now it can call the shots IMO

2016 is the year Google