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VintageMacGS

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I appreciate your reply, but I do not think that Hackintosh or Windows is related to the issue of being unable to restore an iPod on PowerPC at all. I could have omitted that information, but I chose to include it for completeness' sake because I was able to successfully restore the iPod in the end, albeit on a different machine.


I'm glad to hear that Apple did not block 10.6.3 from accessing the iPod software update server; however, that does not change the fact that I cannot connect to said server. My computer's network connection is properly set up, and requests to Apple's domains, like s.mzstatic.com and ax.itunes.apple.com, are going out successfully when pressing buttons in iTunes.

As for the software I used to restore my iPod, it was iTunes 11.4.

P.S. I have attached a screenshot of iTunes 10.6.3 after pressing the "Restore" button for context.
Thanks for the attached pic. That's an update server in the iTunes app. I was referring to the Software Update server found under the Apple menu.

Are you using a newer iTunes app on the other computer that worked for you?

The only other thing that comes to mind is you have a firewall blocking a certain port or iTunes Helper is not running as that is needed for iPods.
 

thewireless

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Thanks for the attached pic. That's an update server in the iTunes app. I was referring to the Software Update server found under the Apple menu.

Are you using a newer iTunes app on the other computer that worked for you?

The only other thing that comes to mind is you have a firewall blocking a certain port or iTunes Helper is not running as that is needed for iPods.
I was able to successfully restore the iPod using iTunes 11.4 on another computer on the same network by pressing the 'Restore' button. I doubt that versions 10.6.3 and 11.4 use different ports for fetching the update binary, so I don't think my router's firewall is blocking them. I’ve also confirmed that iTunes Helper is running.

Since I’ve already restored my iPod and can sync my music, we could leave it as is. However, it would be nice to find a solution for anyone who might want to restore an iPod on PowerPC in the future.
 

eyoungren

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I was able to successfully restore the iPod using iTunes 11.4 on another computer on the same network by pressing the 'Restore' button. I doubt that versions 10.6.3 and 11.4 use different ports for fetching the update binary, so I don't think my router's firewall is blocking them. I’ve also confirmed that iTunes Helper is running.

Since I’ve already restored my iPod and can sync my music, we could leave it as is. However, it would be nice to find a solution for anyone who might want to restore an iPod on PowerPC in the future.
Google again…I googled your exact error phrase.

According to a user on Reddit, you can work around the iPod server issue by downloading the (signed) IPSW for your device from IPSW.me

Hold down OPTN and then click the 'Recovery button. Point iTunes to the IPSW you just downloaded and everything should proceed as normal.

Found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/applehelp/comments/ye0fkk
 
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thewireless

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Google again…I googled your exact error phrase.

According to a user on Reddit, you can work around the iPod server issue by downloading the (signed) IPSW for your device from IPSW.me

Hold down OPTN and then click the 'Recovery button. Point iTunes to the IPSW you just downloaded and everything should proceed as normal.

Found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/applehelp/comments/ye0fkk
Neither solution worked for me. After putting the iPod in Disk Mode, no prompt appeared.

Your second solution doesn’t make sense, as it’s for iOS devices, and an iPod from 2004 doesn’t run iOS.

I appreciate your help, but I know how Google works, and pointing me to a Reddit post that’s unrelated to my problem isn’t particularly helpful.
 

marosa32

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Hello! Has anyone tried version 10.7? It maintains the same cover flow and interface with minor performance improvements. I'm curious. Thanks.
 
Hello! Has anyone tried version 10.7? It maintains the same cover flow and interface with minor performance improvements. I'm curious. Thanks.

Others have; I don’t, because 10.7 doesn’t support PowerPC Macs at all. I use my library on both PowerPC and Intel Macs (the library and iTunes database are on an external SSD).

That was the most noticeable change with Apple’s 10.6.3-to-10.7 revision: dropping the universal binary code.
 

tomo100brt

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Who said iTunes 10.6.3 will never die? For me it is not working any more from today. The same Check your internet connection problem. Nothing helped. Even editing hosts and installing Legacy Mac Proxy doesn't help. I ges it is over. Stop using old MacBook With iTunes internet radio and use new MacBook Air with Calm radio app.
 
Who said iTunes 10.6.3 will never die? For me it is not working any more from today. The same Check your internet connection problem. Nothing helped. Even editing hosts and installing Legacy Mac Proxy doesn't help. I ges it is over. Stop using old MacBook With iTunes internet radio and use new MacBook Air with Calm radio app.

It depends on how one is using iTunes.

If one relies on the iTunes store and cloud-oriented consumer services, then yes, those options may no longer be available. Restoring some iPod and (very old) iPhone models via iTunes might also no longer be available. But that isn’t a faulting of iTunes; it’s a consequence of decisions Apple have made from their servers’ end.

If, however, you rely on your own physical, local library; if you listen to internet streaming radio [EDIT: read below]; or if you listen to other iTunes libraries on your local network (like, say, on a file server), then iTunes 10.6.3, especially when running it on a PowerPC Mac on 10.5.8, is still as useful as the day the revision was issued.

[EDIT to add: I just opened the streaming radio index, and indeed, when clicking on one of the index tree triangles, iTunes puts up a dialogue box warning, “An error occurred while contacting the radio tuning service.” I’m unclear on whether Apple provided the index service or whether it was a third party. What I always noticed is the lists rarely changed, and I never could figure out how a streaming service could get registered to be listed on this index tree. (I was looking at creating a streaming station of my own a couple of years ago and explored this back then.) My presumption from past use is this index was supplied by a third-party which shared an agreement with Apple to supply the index. That said, iTunes 10.6.3 still plays streaming radio just fine. It does, however, require a Cmd-U and pasting the streaming link from urls found on an index web site like this one.]

At the moment, as a test, I’m listening to a German ’80s radio station on iTunes 10.6.3:

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VintageMacGS

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Who said iTunes 10.6.3 will never die? For me it is not working any more from today. The same Check your internet connection problem. Nothing helped. Even editing hosts and installing Legacy Mac Proxy doesn't help. I ges it is over. Stop using old MacBook With iTunes internet radio and use new MacBook Air with Calm radio app.
The radio streaming service stopped working about a week ago as I had checked to see if it was still working but as already mentioned, it was the same list from who knows how long ago and many links did not work or were for stations no longer broadcasting. I have a list of stations saved that I enjoy and you can still use your own by opening the URL under the Advanced menu/Open Stream.

I mainly use 10.7 since that works fine under Catalina and also works on Apple Silicon Sequoia installed with Retroactive so if you like the CoverFlow interface, iTunes is certainly not dead even on newer hardware but as stated, the store and radio streaming locator is not working but that is not a big deal.
 

VintageMacGS

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[EDIT to add: I just opened the streaming radio index, and indeed, when clicking on one of the index tree triangles, iTunes puts up a dialogue box warning, “An error occurred while contacting the radio tuning service.” I’m unclear on whether Apple provided the index service or whether it was a third party.
Kerbango has been mentioned as the original source of the radio and streaming service which was used with earlier iTunes but I don't know if that applied to later versions. Patched iTunes versions are in Macintosh Garden for older iTunes but I never tried those to see if they work.

 

VintageMacGS

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Hello! Has anyone tried version 10.7? It maintains the same cover flow and interface with minor performance improvements. I'm curious. Thanks.
I mentioned today as well as in an earlier post that 10.7 is usable but it doesn't work for PowerPC but can work in newer OS like Sequoia installed with Retroactive.
 

AshleyPomeroy

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This prompted me to pop open iTunes 10.6.3 on my PowerBook G4. It ripped Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's Mustt Mustt fine, and even connected to the gracenotes database to find the track names. But as you point out the iTunes store itself is down, and it won't update my podcasts.

I have to admit that I never ever used the radio section. So I popped open Apple Music on my modern Macintosh, and although it has a "radio" section, it's awful! It wants me to listen to country music. It lists a handful of radio stations and doesn't have the handy drop-down lists from 10.6.3, pictured above.

I mean, I just want a list of radio stations by genre. Apple Music's radio section doesn't even appear to have a search box. No, I do not want to listen to TalkSport. Or Heart anything. Why is there a radio station called Kisstory? Why would I want to kiss a Tory?

Except for Penny Mordaunt. I'm digressing here. As per B S Magnet's suggestion, if I paste in the radio URL - I picked http://s.stereoscenic.com/asp-h.pls, "ambient sleeping pill" - iTunes 10.6.3 will play the station, so it must be that the index has broken. In fact I can do the same thing with Apple Music on my modern Mac.
 
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VintageMacGS

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This prompted me to pop open iTunes 10.6.3 on my PowerBook G4. It ripped Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's Mustt Mustt fine, and even connected to the gracenotes database to find the track names. But as you point out the iTunes store itself is down, and it won't update my podcasts.

I have to admit that I never ever used the radio section. So I popped open Apple Music on my modern Macintosh, and although it has a "radio" section, it's awful! It wants me to listen to country music. It lists a handful of radio stations and doesn't have the handy drop-down lists from 10.6.3, pictured above.

I mean, I just want a list of radio stations by genre. Apple Music's radio section doesn't even appear to have a search box. No, I do not want to listen to TalkSport. Or Heart anything. Why is there a radio station called Kisstory? Why would I want to kiss a Tory?

Except for Penny Mordaunt. I'm digressing here. As per B S Magnet's suggestion, if I paste in the radio URL - I picked http://s.stereoscenic.com/asp-h.pls, "ambient sleeping pill" - iTunes 10.6.3 will play the station, so it must be that the index has broken. In fact I can do the same thing with Apple Music on my modern Mac.
Apple Music's radio interface is nothing like the iTunes one as you've discovered and is more or less a portal to the subscription part that Apple is trying to push for further revenue.

I did check another volume I have that has iTunes 12.8.2 and the radio service is working on that version and populating the genres so I can only assume they cut off some older versions like 10.7 and 10.6.3 which were working until recently.
 
It depends on how one is using iTunes.

If one relies on the iTunes store and cloud-oriented consumer services, then yes, those options may no longer be available. Restoring some iPod and (very old) iPhone models via iTunes might also no longer be available. But that isn’t a faulting of iTunes; it’s a consequence of decisions Apple have made from their servers’ end.

If, however, you rely on your own physical, local library; if you listen to internet streaming radio [EDIT: read below]; or if you listen to other iTunes libraries on your local network (like, say, on a file server), then iTunes 10.6.3, especially when running it on a PowerPC Mac on 10.5.8, is still as useful as the day the revision was issued.

[EDIT to add: I just opened the streaming radio index, and indeed, when clicking on one of the index tree triangles, iTunes puts up a dialogue box warning, “An error occurred while contacting the radio tuning service.” I’m unclear on whether Apple provided the index service or whether it was a third party. What I always noticed is the lists rarely changed, and I never could figure out how a streaming service could get registered to be listed on this index tree. (I was looking at creating a streaming station of my own a couple of years ago and explored this back then.) My presumption from past use is this index was supplied by a third-party which shared an agreement with Apple to supply the index. That said, iTunes 10.6.3 still plays streaming radio just fine. It does, however, require a Cmd-U and pasting the streaming link from urls found on an index web site like this one.]

At the moment, as a test, I’m listening to a German ’80s radio station on iTunes 10.6.3:

View attachment 2446831

To follow up, I found this thread on restoring iTunes store functionality for an older version as a starting point for determining what iTunes is polling/pinging whenever a user pops clicks to open one of the streaming radio genres.

As suggested by the thread, I opened Charles Proxy and found iTunes (10.6.3) is looking to an unencrypted link pointing to


and getting a 404.

When I try opening the full URL reported by Charles in a browser, an XML file, the 404 checks out:

1730764941198.png



When, however, I change it to https, Firefox warns of a bad certificate (SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN):

1730765038597.png



This indicates the URL, when using https, likely still exists (and for later versions of iTunes, may have begun to point to the secure URL instead).

I opened the iTunes binary in vi and viewed the binary in xxd to find there are at least three references to that http url. I didn’t make changes.

This is about as far as I’ve gotten.
 
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tomo100brt

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It depends on how one is using iTunes.

If one relies on the iTunes store and cloud-oriented consumer services, then yes, those options may no longer be available. Restoring some iPod and (very old) iPhone models via iTunes might also no longer be available. But that isn’t a faulting of iTunes; it’s a consequence of decisions Apple have made from their servers’ end.

If, however, you rely on your own physical, local library; if you listen to internet streaming radio [EDIT: read below]; or if you listen to other iTunes libraries on your local network (like, say, on a file server), then iTunes 10.6.3, especially when running it on a PowerPC Mac on 10.5.8, is still as useful as the day the revision was issued.

[EDIT to add: I just opened the streaming radio index, and indeed, when clicking on one of the index tree triangles, iTunes puts up a dialogue box warning, “An error occurred while contacting the radio tuning service.” I’m unclear on whether Apple provided the index service or whether it was a third party. What I always noticed is the lists rarely changed, and I never could figure out how a streaming service could get registered to be listed on this index tree. (I was looking at creating a streaming station of my own a couple of years ago and explored this back then.) My presumption from past use is this index was supplied by a third-party which shared an agreement with Apple to supply the index. That said, iTunes 10.6.3 still plays streaming radio just fine. It does, however, require a Cmd-U and pasting the streaming link from urls found on an index web site like this one.]

At the moment, as a test, I’m listening to a German ’80s radio station on iTunes 10.6.3:

View attachment 2446831

Yes I know that, but problem is where to find url for radio stations that was on iTunes. If someone has that urls it will be helpful. Because I need classic section that I listened. Only streaming service that has nearly the same music I listened is CalmRadio. So if I don't find urls I'll have to use CalmRadio on my new MacBook Air.

Edit
Found urls of all radio stations that were in iTunes internet radio. Some are not working but at least I can listen to radio.
Today I'll add those stations to iTunes.
 
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VintageMacGS

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Yes I know that, but problem is where to find url for radio stations that was on iTunes. If someone has that urls it will be helpful. Because I need classic section that I listened. Only streaming service that has nearly the same music I listened is CalmRadio. So if I don't find urls I'll have to use CalmRadio on my new MacBook Air.

Edit
Found urls of all radio stations that were in iTunes internet radio. Some are not working but at least I can listen to radio.
Today I'll add those stations to iTunes.
I've seen that list and it is helpful but is a few years old. If you have access to a a newer OS that can run iTunes 12.8 or higher, you can still get the radio tuner list as it's working for now but who knows for how long. Other versions might work as well like iTunes 11 but I haven't tried that.
 
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Yes I know that, but problem is where to find url for radio stations that was on iTunes. If someone has that urls it will be helpful. Because I need classic section that I listened. Only streaming service that has nearly the same music I listened is CalmRadio. So if I don't find urls I'll have to use CalmRadio on my new MacBook Air.

I did see these, with two being possible candidates, but I’m guessing you eliminated these already:

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Edit
Found urls of all radio stations that were in iTunes internet radio. Some are not working but at least I can listen to radio.

This list is orders more extensive than the number of stations which had been listed on the iTunes 10.x index.

I never bothered with iTunes 11.x and 12.x, even on my Macs running High Sierra or Mojave (first thing I do after a fresh install is Pacifist-install 10.6.3), so if they added a more robust index for those versions, I wasn’t aware of it.


Today I'll add those stations to iTunes.

I’ve bookmarked this index site along with the search engine-based site I posted last day. Cheers.
 

iBookmaster

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I've seen that list and it is helpful but is a few years old. If you have access to a a newer OS that can run iTunes 12.8 or higher, you can still get the radio tuner list as it's working for now but who knows for how long. Other versions might work as well like iTunes 11 but I haven't tried that.
Thanks for this! I am still able to get internet radio stations to work in Sorbet Leopard on my G4 iMac. Still works fine for me. Thanks again for this though!
 
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