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Jony Ive was right
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With the advent of Apple Silicon, I gotta say that now even AAA games are playable - when available.
Been playing Dying Light at 1080p and it rarely goes below 50 fps, which obviously makes it super playable.
Not sure how it would run with Dying Light 2 though, cuz they didn't release it for mac 🤬
My conclusion; about the comparison between the, 13" M2 MBP and 13" M2 MBA:
I'm happy that I don't need to upgrade my MBA this year, but I would've gone with the 13" M2 MBP if I had to do it now. A little more for the money.
I'm happy that I don't need to upgrade my MBA this year, but I would've gone with the 13" M2 MBP if I had to do it now. A little more for the money.
Yep. People need to learn to stop feeding trolls or responding to click-baity threads…This is thread about nothing to be fair
You’re conveniently ignoring better screen, MagSafe + extra port while charging, better camera and a more modern design…. On a computer designed for people who don’t really require sustained performance and might actually prefer thermal throttling to fan noise.
To problem with previous generations of MacBooks was not that they were super-thin for their class, it was that there were no bulkier, better cooled alternatives for performance focused people. It’s good to have both options.
M2 Air is an awesome computer, one of the best laptops Apple ever made - but people love drama and content creators love views, so….
This is mighty presumptuous of you. You assume the delivery is to do with demand and not supply.
This whole thread seems to be ignoring the absurdity of understanding the complexity of supply chain and inventory management which makes up about 95% of shipping delays.
Apple forecast a number of units and tries to be ready for that many. Either one could be delayed because of a single part, or just customs because it comes from Taiwan. One could be outselling the other by 10x but have no delays.
But if you want to ignore the hundreds of logical reasons for shipping disparities, a big factor is each persons use case. For some people they have a desktop as their power machine and their laptop is for portability. For other people they want a laptop as their main machine. It’s the same reason Apple makes the iPad and the Mac, there are different use cases for different scenarios.
By the logic of the OP and most replies, Apple sells more iPhones than Macs, so people only really want phones and should stop selling computers, iPads, and everything else there not a phone.
Apple forecast a number of units and tries to be ready for that many. Either one could be delayed because of a single part, or just customs because it comes from Taiwan. One could be outselling the other by 10x but have no delays.
But if you want to ignore the hundreds of logical reasons for shipping disparities, a big factor is each persons use case. For some people they have a desktop as their power machine and their laptop is for portability. For other people they want a laptop as their main machine. It’s the same reason Apple makes the iPad and the Mac, there are different use cases for different scenarios.
By the logic of the OP and most replies, Apple sells more iPhones than Macs, so people only really want phones and should stop selling computers, iPads, and everything else there not a phone.
You guys can laugh all you want.
I was recently comparing my 15” “Jony Ive” Intel MBP against the 16” M1 Max MBP, and the 15” is a good looking thin machine.
Sure, the fans turn on the moment you do something, but I think a 15” MBP redesigned by Jony Ive in 2022 to make it even more thinner (and also thinner bezels with a notch and updated keyboard) with a M2 chip in it would sell like hotcakes probably.
Jony Ive could have made a great thin 15” MBP in 2022 with the M2 chip. It is allowed to thermal throttle as the MBA has proven, so that should not be a show-stopper.
I was recently comparing my 15” “Jony Ive” Intel MBP against the 16” M1 Max MBP, and the 15” is a good looking thin machine.
Sure, the fans turn on the moment you do something, but I think a 15” MBP redesigned by Jony Ive in 2022 to make it even more thinner (and also thinner bezels with a notch and updated keyboard) with a M2 chip in it would sell like hotcakes probably.
Jony Ive could have made a great thin 15” MBP in 2022 with the M2 chip. It is allowed to thermal throttle as the MBA has proven, so that should not be a show-stopper.
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You raise a good point about the Butterfly Keyboard, and I should have been more specific. There were two issues with the Butterfly Keyboard: (1) Its lack of key travel, which made it uncomfortable to type on. This was a design requirement, which came from Ive, and is thus his responsibility. (2) Its poor execution, which left it vulnerable to being jammed by small particles. This was an engineering failure, and is thus the responsibility of the engineers. I'll edit my post to make it clearer I'm talking about #1.
But I stand by what I said about Ive's obsession with thiness, and form-over-function, hurting the prosumer devices. There's a general consensus that the 2014-2015 MBP was a much better design than the super-thin generation that came after it.
Further, his attempt at clean, elegant design sometimes led to exactly the opposite because of his lack of understanding of how professional devices are actually used. For instance, the 2013 MacPro is beautifully small and elegant, but only when it's not actually being used! In actual use, professionals need all sorts of cards and drives. With a larger box, all those stay neatly inside. But since the 2013 Mac Pro was too small to contain them, they ended up as external attachments, creating an ugly rat's nest of boxes on one's desk:
With Ive design philosophy:
After rejection of Ive design philosophy:
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A MBP that throttles is not a great MBP, in fact it's awful at being a MacBook Pro; no one purchasing a MBP wants their computer to throttle due to an obsession with "thin at all costs". What you want is a larger MacBook Air.
Besides, he would never have included MagSafe or an SD slot which automatically makes it inferior to the current MacBook pros.
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The absurdity here, is the OP continuously bashing the M2 MBA every chance he gets with logical fallacy.
Not just that, but with removing the optical drive I started seeing many MacMinis turned 180° to make the ports useable.
What a pinnacle of design that was......
Apple tried the thin-at-all-costs minimalistic approach and the products were unreliable, under performing and under specified. I for one am glad we’ve come out the other end of that.
Wrong in my personal case. I choose the MacBook Air because I want a laptop with physical function row keys and scissor key keyboards. I want a laptop without Jony Ive’s terrible touchbar and butterfly keyboard.
Or they do not realize they are throttling. I seriously doubt most people have never throttled.
Thats not an accurate prediction of demand… It just tells you the mismatch between supply and demand. Nothing can be inferred unless you know their supply situation.
Now that I think about it, classifying it as a 15” MBA would be better indeed.
Would be a great business laptop as it offers more screen real estate to work on (13” is really too small) and probably also better battery life.
Just don’t use it for gaming and stuff like that.
I know you guys disgree on it, but it could have been a great laptop by Jony Ive.
You really think the average MBA user plays WoW? Lol most users don't play computer games.
I hope this is a tr0lling attempt. If this is how you come to that of a conclusion then wow, I guess we can all be glad you aren't in charge of things.
The departure of Ive is an objectively positive thing that benefited both sides.
I don't mind Ive at all. I think he undeservedly receives too much flak on these boards, despite his designs likely being a key factor to why many are here in the first place.
One should keep in mind that Intel kept telling the entire laptop industry that the node shrinks were coming and new architectures would go with that, so not only Apple started years in advance designing laptops with small thermal envelopes expecting Intel to deliver what they had promised. Look at the 2018ish Asus Zenbook Pros. Look at the Dells. All productivity laptops that tried leveraging a new standard of "business adequate"-level of volume had the same issues. Ive fell into the same trap of expecting Intel to deliver.
But the thermal throttle in an Intel Macbook vs what we're calling thermal throttle on the M1/M2 Air.. it's in a different league. Comparing my both laptops in my signature.. the Intel 16" MBP that is supposed to be the *fixed one* with better thermal headroom than íts 15" predecessors.. If I push both the CPU and GPU (a game, or a Resolve video rendering/export) the VRM of all things freakin' overheats and demands the CPU to go down to 1.4-1.6GHz! On an Intel processor that's basically asking it to terminate itself. It's SO noticeable.
On the M2 Air, again like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have to actively read the powermetrics to know when it has started striving for thermal equilibrium. It's such a non-issue. Throw a big render on it, it will finish the job in a timely manner on like a ~8W sustained power envelope.