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ucfgrad93

macrumors Core
Aug 17, 2007
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After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple

Get whatever works best for you, @kre62.
 

TheRealAlex

macrumors 68030
Sep 2, 2015
2,980
2,248
After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple


So Well Written Short complete and to the point really makes the Swaggers or Flaunters foolish about wasting their Money Ohhh look at me I have a Worse phone.
 

briand05

macrumors 6502
Jan 23, 2005
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I agree about that lag going back to the home screen on the 7. I don't really mind the haptic button itself but this slight lag when using the home button is noticeable, it actually makes the 7 feels less smooth than the 6s.
 

Mildredop

macrumors 68020
Oct 14, 2013
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1,510
-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

I don't quite get this argument. Even if the home button did work when wearing gloves, the screen doesn't.

Why would you want to wake the phone but then not interact with the screen?
 

HickDead

macrumors 6502a
Dec 2, 2011
854
274
I'm going from a iPhone 6S and SE to a 7 Plus. So for me I will see a very big difference.

But I understand OP. To be honest if the Note 7 was not under a **** storm, that would be a better phone in all areas but software. Even before the recall hit I passed on that phone because frankly the iPhone's are much faster in actual use. A normal user would not see it but a power user like myself notices.

I just know one thing. Next year's iPhone better be completely different.


The Note 7 is a vastly superior service to the IP7/+. Like you mentioned it's crippled by its software. I loved my Note 7 and ended up returning it not due to the battery recall - but due to WiFi connectivity issues and lagging. Typical Android issues.

I got the IP7 and honestly I'm very underwhelmed (hardware wise). If it wasn't for the buttery smoothness of iOS ....I would never purchase an iPhone.

My perfect phone would be iOS + Samsung device.
 

aka777

macrumors 6502a
Mar 13, 2012
865
428
As mentioned many times, the 6s didnt seem to have this issue, one of the only years. My thought is that there were no panel changes year over year, so no need to reboot the manuf process (seems like this happens at the beginning of a new LCD manuf process.)

I 100% agree with this. The s models are always much better.
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After seeing all the tear downs and outstanding results of waterproofing tests can we really take this kind of stance? I get that it may be inconvenient and i am sure a lot of Floppy disk collectors felt the same way but this just seems ignorant to the natural trend of tech.

How has Samsung kept their phones and headphone jacks waterproof for so many years though? Their phones also IP68 certified, which is better than the iphone and can withstand saltwater.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,735
6,100
Anyone that owns a 6s, 6s+, or SE looking for a speed increase is crazy. They already run IOS like a champ. The real reason to upgrade IMO would be waterproofing, a new color, or the plus camera.
 

TheRealAlex

macrumors 68030
Sep 2, 2015
2,980
2,248
After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple

Hats off to you, Single handedly REKT the entire iPhone 7 community.


#1. Marginally better Camera unless its the 7 Plus
#2. Yellow tinted low quality displays you are correct
#3. Worse Home Button No Glove functionality
#4. No Headphone Jack
#5. No Sapphire materials cheaper device
#6. No Noticeable Speed increase
#7. Dim display (not really brighter)
#8. GSM models Worse Intel 3x3 MIMO Intel Modem vs CDMA 4x4 MIMO Qualcomm Modem

All Valid concerns which are not Outweighed by the known positives.
 

duction

macrumors 6502a
Jun 6, 2010
800
80
U to the K
I 100% agree with this. The s models are always much better.
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How has Samsung kept their phones and headphone jacks waterproof for so many years though? Their phones also IP68 certified, which is better than the iphone and can withstand saltwater.

Samsung didn't have 'courage' hahaha, 'gullible' should of been used instead.
 

Steve686

macrumors 68040
Nov 13, 2007
3,905
1,937
US>FL>Miami/Dade>Sunny Isles Beach>Condo
Legitimate breakdown from someone who has the previous generation of the product.

The OP isn't trying to push heroin or crack cocaine on anyone here or even tell nobody to get the phone.

He bought.

He tried.

He tested.

He returned.

Based on HIS preference and based on the individual unit he received.

And yes. Many times any subject on these boards that has the slightest hint of anti-Apple, it turns into a feeling of the North Korean style of dictatorship. Say ANYTHING against our supreme leader and your head will roll.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
I don't quite get this argument. Even if the home button did work when wearing gloves, the screen doesn't.

Why would you want to wake the phone but then not interact with the screen?
Some wake the phone by pressing the button to quickly check for any notifications.

Frankly I'm surprised we still don't have screen use with gloves. It was one of my favorite features in the Lumia 920. Too bad it was limited by windows phone.
 

angrytoothbrush

macrumors regular
Jun 16, 2009
173
58
I 100% agree with this. The s models are always much better.
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How has Samsung kept their phones and headphone jacks waterproof for so many years though? Their phones also IP68 certified, which is better than the iphone and can withstand saltwater.

I think this is a quality over quanity type of tradeoff that we make as consumers. All the tests I've seen have been extremely impressive. iFixit had to quit the iPhone 7 Swim test because youtube wouldn't let them live stream past 8 hours. All the salt water tests have been on par with anything I've seen. Hot coffee, soda. Another point since you mention the rating the only difference between the seven and eight is a 1/2 meter of depth for the same amount of time. Not to mention Samsung phones are exploding! I haven't actually read why that would be happening but apparently the achievement will be undercut but the implementation of the technology needed to achieve it.
 

aka777

macrumors 6502a
Mar 13, 2012
865
428
I think this is a quality over quanity type of tradeoff that we make as consumers. All the tests I've seen have been extremely impressive. iFixit had to quit the iPhone 7 Swim test because youtube wouldn't let them live stream past 8 hours. All the salt water tests have been on par with anything I've seen. Hot coffee, soda. Another point since you mention the rating the only difference between the seven and eight is a 1/2 meter of depth for the same amount of time. Not to mention Samsung phones are exploding! I haven't actually read why that would be happening but apparently the achievement will be undercut but the implementation of the technology needed to achieve it.

I actually just ate my words... The iphone withstood deeper water than the s7.

 

Mildredop

macrumors 68020
Oct 14, 2013
2,478
1,510
Some wake the phone by pressing the button to quickly check for any notifications.

Frankly I'm surprised we still don't have screen use with gloves. It was one of my favorite features in the Lumia 920. Too bad it was limited by windows phone.
Maybe an argument for some sort of notification light (why won't Apple do this?).
 

angrytoothbrush

macrumors regular
Jun 16, 2009
173
58
I actually just ate my words... The iphone withstood deeper water than the s7.



One concession I do have to make and Idk if this is true about the samsung or not... If you dismantled the iPhone 7 for idk screen repairs lets say being most common. I find it impossible the person (outside of apple) could actually close it up as heavily waterproofed as the way they found it... that should be a consideration if you break your screen and use outside vendors regularly.
 
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Esoom

macrumors 6502
Apr 30, 2010
415
51
Colorado
I remember when the 6 came out, a poster had returned his phone 6 or 7 times, I suggested he might have OCD, and got cautioned by a mod for suggesting it, then about a week later, the OP admitted he'd been diagnosed with OCD as a teen, and was untreated as an adult. I never did get an apology from the mod for that ****.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
Maybe an argument for some sort of notification light (why won't Apple do this?).
I think this is something that people have wanted for so long (basically the beginning) that we've just accepted it's not happening.

For the record I would be all for it. I think Apple's answer is the Watch. I just got one myself and am very happy with it so far. But I could absolutely get behind notification loght.
 

CraigGB

macrumors regular
May 30, 2010
207
154
Hats off to you, Single handedly REKT the entire iPhone 7 community.


#1. Marginally better Camera unless its the 7 Plus
#2. Yellow tinted low quality displays you are correct
#3. Worse Home Button No Glove functionality
#4. No Headphone Jack
#5. No Sapphire materials cheaper device
#6. No Noticeable Speed increase
#7. Dim display (not really brighter)
#8. GSM models Worse Intel 3x3 MIMO Intel Modem vs CDMA 4x4 MIMO Qualcomm Modem

All Valid concerns which are not Outweighed by the known positives.

Sigh

1. early reviews indicate low light performance is much better, honestly these are where the biggest gains are in mobile photography, most phone cameras do just fine in bright scenarios these days, not to mention the normal sized phone (finally) has OIS which is a big deal
2. uhhh :|
3. surely if you are wearing gloves then the screen won't work either, not to mention it can't read your fingerprint through gloves, if you want to check notifications or use Siri then there is raise to wake
4. fair enough
5. also fair enough, would be interesting to find out why not
6. the 6s is the fastest phone on the market, it's going to be a few years before anything makes use of the extra power in the 7, however anyone coming from the 5,5s or 6 is going to notice it for sure
7. I'm not entirely up to date on this, didn't they say the light sensor would only trigger the extra level of brightness when it realised you were outside or something?
8. heh :|

honestly it's not going to to be a huge upgrade for 6s users (though 40% faster and a 2x GPU performance increase year on year is impressive to me as I'm used to the tiny gains made year on year by Intel), it is as I mentioned before a big upgrade for anyone coming to the end of a 2 year contract on the iPhone 6 or anyone still using something older then that, those people are getting a pretty decent upgrade not to mention they are getting everything that was included with the 6s too. that is who this is aimed at, not insecure 6s owners. :p
 
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IBeDrummin

macrumors member
Jul 24, 2013
30
6
You listed everything that was obvious before buying the 7? Why did you get it in the first place if you knew you weren't going to like it.
 

canadianpj

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2008
552
496
I may get another 7 when the good screens return, but you're kidding yourself if you think the screens shipping right now are in any way better than the 6S. These are the same low quality launch screens that ship every year. I've seen these screens a thousand times, on my 3GS, my 4S, my 5, my 5S, etc. My 6 and 6S were fine (though many got bad 6 screens, I got lucky that year I guess), but now we are back to bad launch screens. Sad.

Sorry. My screen is fine. Sorry.

I'm also calling troll on you original post.
 

angrytoothbrush

macrumors regular
Jun 16, 2009
173
58
You listed everything that was obvious before buying the 7? Why did you get it in the first place if you knew you weren't going to like it.


I mean I must say with all respect to the OPs opinion on the matter... A smarter consumer is a happier consumer.
 
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