KEYBOARD POLL-OWNERS ONLY PLEASE

[Mefisto]

Having opinions, and respecting those of others, is certainly a good thing, no arguments there.

But basing those opinions solely on what a very small group of people (in this case a subset of MacRumors users) say is problematic, at best, in my opinion. At least when discussing actual issues of which there really isn't any tangible information given by anyone "in the know". The issue becomes even more skewed when one chooses to only listen to the negative opinions / experiences given about a subject.

Now, I'm definitely not invalidating the experiences of those, who have had problems. I'm just not sure that a comprehensive picture of the situation at hand can be extrapolated only from them.

 

[CaptRB]

Having opinions, and respecting those of others, is certainly a good thing, no arguments there.

But basing those opinions solely on what a very small group of people (in this case a subset of MacRumors users) say is problematic, at best, in my opinion. At least when discussing actual issues of which there really isn't any tangible information given by anyone "in the know". The issue becomes even more skewed when one chooses to only listen to the negative opinions / experiences given about a subject.

Now, I'm definitely not invalidating the experiences of those, who have had problems. I'm just not sure that a comprehensive picture of the situation at hand can be extrapolated only from them.

Yes, pretty much on target. The "poking in the eye" metaphor is about kicking a product you don't own and have minimal knowledge about. Obviously I'm sympathetic for anyone who owns a defective product, but if anyone believes that online forums give a unbiased indication of anything, they're mistaken.

Now, if we saw widespread keyboard failures and they were Flooding every forum and youtube review, that would be an indicator. But that is not the case at all.

The truth here is that we're really seeing VERY FEW issues against the huge amount of sold machines. So to extrapolate a negative view has to be something a person wants to do since the available math is not supporting such views. I just don't fully understand why they feel the need to do it.


R.

 

[SDColorado]

Sounds a bit like the storyline with Pitbulls. You read that they were responsible for 71% of dog-related fatalities in the US last year, sounds horrible right? Reading further you read that that 71% comes because they are responsible for 22 of 31 dog related deaths last year, also sounds horrible when examined in the bubble.

But upon further study, you realize that there are 78 million dogs in the USA, which means that only that only about 0.00000053% cause fatalities. The chances of dying from a dog bite are 1 in 116,448, which is less than dying from a wasp sting 1 in 55,764 or choking on food 1 in 3,375. Being killed in a fall is 1 in 144

You don't hear much about being dying from bee stings, choking to death or dying from a fall, but you sure do hear about the Pittbull related deaths.

Long story short, things tend to get blown way out of proportion when examined in a microcosm

 

[Playfoot]

Yes, pretty much on target. The "poking in the eye" metaphor is about kicking a product you don't own and have minimal knowledge about. Obviously I'm sympathetic for anyone who owns a defective product, but if anyone believes that online forums give a unbiased indication of anything, they're mistaken.

Now, if we saw widespread keyboard failures and they were Flooding every forum and youtube review, that would be an indicator. But that is not the case at all.

The truth here is that we're really seeing VERY FEW issues against the huge amount of sold machines. So to extrapolate a negative view has to be something a person wants to do since the available math is not supporting such views. I just don't fully understand why they feel the need to do it.


R.

Again, I can not comment on whether or not there is, or is not, "flooding". From a personal experience, I can comment that for my last keyboard replacement, I had to wait for spare parts to be ordered and arrive as there had, in the words of the Genius, been an unforeseen need for parts...However, that does not mean a rash, or an issue.

In the end, no one but Apple knows the numbers . . .

 

[dezza85]

Personally I think the new keyboard is great, the main thing I have learnt is to very gentle with it so that its not too noisy.

My only issue is that I own the new MacBook Pro for on the move and a 27" iMac 5K with the latest keyboard and going between the two keyboards is very confusing.

There isn't anything wrong with either, I just wish that I could use just one type, if I had a choice this would end up being the newest version. If Apple bring out a Butterfly 2 keyboard for their desktops I will 100% be investing, if anything to stop the confusion from going between the two.

 

[smelly cat]

I have to say that I love the typing experience of the new keyboard. However, as maflynn mentioned, the number of posts I've seen regarding the keyboard's potentially poor reliability have stopped me from buying one. The fact that it's so insanely expensive doesn't help the case.

 

[Yr Blues]

I've had my 13" MBP since it came out and the keys are hard to press. I have to exert more force than the earlier keyboard. My wrists hurt after long use, which never happened before. The keys get stuck pretty often, too.

I hope the next MBP will fix these issues. I'll be trading up for sure.

 

[MrGuder]

Polls are fun but on this forum there not to be taken seriously or lend any proof to it's outcome.

I would vote yes I liked it. I had this model for a total of about 8 weeks between all 3 I owned but returned. I really liked how the keyboard felt and worked I just couldn't find a perfect one out of the 3. The best was the last one a refurb the only key that bothered me was the space bar it just didn't feel stable like the others and had much more wobble and play.

I kept trying because I really like this 2016 laptop but I'm a perfectionist and for the money I want all the keys to be perfectly uniform. I'm coming from an old Dell laptop where the keys are so silent that I can't hear them at all and all the keys press exactly the same very stable and uniform.

I have a Mac Mini as my home desktop with an Apple Keyboard with numeric keypad which I absolutely love all the keys press exactly the same way with nice feedback and it's quite so pleasant to type on. I like that it has extra USB slots on each side for my iPhone and USB Logitech receiver. I wish the 2016 MBP keyboard would have mirrored this keyboard.

 

[smelly cat]

From what I am gathering, heat may be one of the major variables impacting the reliability of the keyboard. Putting the system under stress will, of course, cause it to generate more heat. This causes the various materials in the top case to expand and contract during the heating/cooling cycle, which can change the tolerances of the various moving parts and cause issues.

Not that I have any scientific or rigorous evidence to support the above or anything, just a pet theory based on what I've been reading. Anyone have any insight or a keyboard that seemed to work perfectly right up until the system was put under heavy load?