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Yeah but that 25% could change weekly - making accounting impossible.

Has anyone place a tariff directly on a specific company before? 😂
It's nonsense. If a government starts targeting individual companies, then those companies basically become state run entities. Wait... maybe that's what Nr. 1 really is aiming for?
 
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That's quite a broad claim you're making about more than 77 million voters. The few of his supporters you might know may be uninformed, but I can assure you there are quite a lot of us out here who overwhelmingly support this pro-American agenda.
many fall for his MAGA rhetoric, but reality shows (and will show much more), that it is in fact anti-American.

Any U.S. president has considerable leverage to incentivize American companies to bring their manufacturing back to the US. Prior to Trump, very few (if any) others have dared to wield it in such a way. If he is successful in these attempts to mitigate much of the unfair global trade imbalances, while also bringing a large portion of manufacturing back to the States, it's just one of the many reasons he will be seen as one of the most consequential presidents in this country's short history.
 
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Wouldn’t all the parts shipped from china get tariffed anyway?

As usual with Trump, it’s unclear what exactly the policy is. Are products with the Apple branding tariffed? If so, no, components from suppliers wouldn’t get tariffed. Are any components tariffed if they ultimately end up in an Apple product? I don’t see how that’s bureaucratically realistic. Are any high-tech products tariffed, and Apple is only an example? Then yes, they’d be affected.
 
Kuo, a respected analyst with a long track record of accurate forecasts about Apple's supply chain, made the statement on X (formerly Twitter) in response to renewed pressure from former President Donald Trump for Apple to shift iPhone production to the United States. The comment follows President Trump's threat to impose a 25% tariff on all iPhones not assembled domestically.

I abhor the orange guy, but "former President"?
 
Trump’s actual plan may be utterly stupid, but isn’t it true that having a weak industrial base isn’t a smart long term proposition for a large country?

When people thought history had ended, and that integrating economically with China would turn it into one of us (us being liberal democracies), then sending our manufacturing capacity there might have seemed like a good idea. I think that always seemed like a bad idea, but surely it’s entirely insupportable now?
 
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Trump’s actual plan may be utterly stupid, but isn’t it true that having a weak industrial base isn’t a smart long term proposition for a large country?

When people thought history had ended, and that integrating economically with China would turn it into one of us (us being liberal democracies), then sending our manufacturing capacity there might have seemed like a good idea. I think that always seemed like a bad idea, but surely it’s entirely insupportable now?
Is the U.S. still a democracy? I do hope so.
;JOOP!
 
Did y’all know china uses child labor to make things? It actually makes sense to have stuff built in the USA. The trick will be getting people who know what they’re doing.
You know states like Florida are trying to change child labor laws. They want children to be able to work more hours and even do over night shifts. The current mags movement is trying to take us back to the gilded age where people and children worked in low paying industrial jobs with no rights because they are also trying to get rid of unions.
 
The vice President says china has peasants in factories manufacturing items for Americans to buy and trump wants those factories in USA, meaning trump wants office workers and workers in the service industry to start doing peasant jobs.
It’s no different than when Trump said undocumented workers were taking black jobs. Which means he thinks black people should still be the ones doing domestic and field work. It’s not often reported on how a lot of the federal workers losing their jobs are educated black Americans who often take lower paying government jobs because it’s often harder to get similar work in the private sector.
 
I agree, let the tariffs come, but Trump will deal with the negative consequences at the mid terms.

That's assuming the Democratic Party can find candidates that can tack to the center and focus on core issues that drive voters to the polls in a positive way.

The Democratic Party is at such a crossroads right now that I have serious doubts about the Party's ability to field candidates that can win elections. Trump didn't so much win in 2025 as the Democrats lost.

The constant pandering to the uber progressive wing of the Party is costing more votes than it's getting.

And I'm not saying those issues are right or wrong, or if I support them or I don't. This isn't a "political" post per se as I'm looking at this from a strategic perspective. The Democratic Party has an image problem and a marketing problem.

Consistently siding with the 20% of 80/20 issues isn't going to get you in charge of things. And all everything else aside, your advocacy for any issue doesn't amount to a hill of squat if you can't win elections.

One of the reasons Trump is president again is the Democratic Party. The fielding of candidates that make Joey bag of donuts scratch his head and decide not to vote is a problem. Not that it's right or it's wrong, but the Democratic party's stance on certain issues keeps too many people on the sidelines. They simply say to themselves "nah, I don't think so" and they stay home, and that's how you lose elections. That, and being terribly UN democratic in how you pick candidates for high office (Keeping Joe Biden's cancer and health issues under wraps for pretty much his whole Presidency, anointing Harris as the candidate with ZERO input from the voters) leads to lost elections.

No, I don't think enough of a shift in the mid terms will lead to any measurable check on Donald Trump. The 2026 Senate electoral map is a hot mess for Democrats. The Republicans will probably pick up seats in the Senate mid term. The House is another story, but the American public has a short attention span. Unless a full blown recession comes about, the House is a total toss up.

Personally, I'm sick of the tulmolt and constant whiplash that's been this administration so far.

We will see what 2026 brings, but I think Democrats will lose more elections as opposed to Republicans winning them unless they make big changes. And that ship may have all ready sailed for 2026.
 
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It looks like the $1 million bribe that Tim Crook paid to that fascist Donald Trump is not working.
 
That's assuming the Democratic Party can find candidates that can tack to the center and focus on core issues that drive voters to the polls in a positive way.

The Democratic Party is at such a crossroads right now that I have serious doubts about the Party's ability to field candidates that can win elections. Trump didn't so much win in 2025 as the Democrats lost.

The constant pandering to the uber progressive wing of the Party is costing more votes than it's getting.

And I'm not saying those issues are right or wrong, or if I support them or I don't. This isn't a "political" post per se as I'm looking at this from a strategic perspective. The Democratic Party has an image problem and a marketing problem.

Consistently siding with the 20% of 80/20 issues isn't going to get you in charge of things. And all everything else aside, your advocacy for any issue doesn't amount to a hill of squat if you can't win elections.

One of the reasons Trump is president again is the Democratic Party. The fielding of candidates that make Joey bag of donuts scratch his head and decide not to vote is a problem. Not that it's right or it's wrong, but the Democratic party's stance on certain issues keeps too many people on the sidelines. They simply say to themselves "nah, I don't think so" and they stay home, and that's how you lose elections. That, and being terribly UN democratic in how you pick candidates for high office (Keeping Joe Biden's cancer and health issues under wraps for pretty much his whole Presidency, anointing Harris as the candidate with ZERO input from the voters) leads to lost elections.

No, I don't think enough of a shift in the mid terms will lead to any measurable check on Donald Trump. The 2026 Senate electoral map is a hot mess for Democrats. The Republicans will probably pick up seats in the Senate mid term. The House is another story, but the American public has a short attention span. Unless a full blown recession comes about, the House is a total toss up.

Personally, I'm sick of the tulmolt and constant whiplash that's been this administration so far.

We will see what 2026 brings, but I think Democrats will lose more elections as opposed to Republicans winning them unless they make big changes. And that ship may have all ready sailed for 2026.
Aren’t there any old fashioned anti-MAGA Republicans left? Or will they stay too afraid of the orange oracle? If so, then that in itself says a lot about Republicans in general.
Maybe they’re even more responsible for the mess you’re in.
 
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Yes I have. Many . It can suck, but what gives us the divine right to think it’s just for other people. The whole world can’t work in marketing, sales or finance !

What gives you the divine right to think it’s for anyone who doesn’t want it? Your comment reminds me of the opening scene of Interstellar, where the school tries to lie about the moon landing and says that Cooper’s son shouldn’t go to college because “the world doesn’t need engineers, it needs farmers.” Stop insisting people squander their natural talents and interests just because you demand to be “proud” of your country via a pipe wrench that was made in Akron instead of Vietnam.
 
No, I don't think enough of a shift in the mid terms will lead to any measurable check on Donald Trump. The 2026 Senate electoral map is a hot mess for Democrats. The Republicans will probably pick up seats in the Senate mid term. The House is another story, but the American public has a short attention span. Unless a full blown recession comes about, the House is a total toss up.

Personally, I'm sick of the tulmolt and constant whiplash that's been this administration so far.

We will see what 2026 brings, but I think Democrats will lose more elections as opposed to Republicans winning them unless they make big changes. And that ship may have all ready sailed for 2026.
If the 2026 elections happen in a reasonably fair way (big if), a Blue Wave is very likely no matter what the electoral map is. First, we have the regular historical event that the undecided and largely uninformed US voter tends to flip flop and vote against the sitting President's party. Second, we have that the undecided and largely uninformed US voters tend to not show up and vote in non-Presidential election years. Both of these will benefit the Democrats (grabbing some of the undecideds and Republicans missing out on some of the undecided voters who won them the 2024 elections). Third, Trump is getting more and more deranged with age. He is already somewhat wild and saying incredibly unpolitical things like: Hey who cares if kids have less dolls to play with because of my tariffs. This will just get worse over the course of the next 18 months because of him just getting older. Fourth, there is very likely to be a recession (and we might be in one now). Yes, the Republicans are attempting to point all economic issues back to Biden. But that doesn't seem like a good argument now and it will look positively laughable in 2026.

I think we will have a Blue Wave if the elections run like normal. However, that is a big if as voter disenfranchisement is a base strategy for the Republican Party at this point. They continue to refine their strategies and tactics here. And the Republican Congress (which are largely already scared to hold town hall meetings with their constituents) will look the other way or support illegitimate attempts to influence vote counts because they will know they are going to be crushed in 2026 (it might not be clear now, but I predict it will be clear by early 2026 if only due to recession).
 
Both are German, a country known for world-class engineering. Given a choice between a Ford and a BMW in the same class, the winner is always BMW.
While we’re focused on dismantling regulatory authorities that are established to help the consumers, Germany’s doing the opposite. Anti-idling laws and GDPR are just two examples. Personal preference to their own home brands is another factor.

All Gemini did was simply perform a Google search and summarize the results. If you have any evidence to the contrary, lay it on me without the sarcasm.
You'll have no argument from me that German luxury autos are better in nearly every way than American autos. My whole point about the lack of US autos in the EU, is when European consumers look to buy a their next car, most US brands aren't even an option because of the restrictions the EU imposes on US cars.
 
You said

“If he is successful in these attempts to mitigate much of the unfair global trade imbalances, while also bringing a large portion of manufacturing back to the States“

There are no unfair global trade balances, no more than there are unfair supermarket balances in your own finances.

Americans are weapons of mass consumption, per head of population you get through more energy, plastics, foods than most other nations. Your wages(average) are massive, as such you will never, ever, be able to compete in a manufacturing context.

You import cheap, add value and consume, so voraciously that you have deficits with virtually every country.

There is an argument to say that if you impose tariffs, create a recession, make everyone much poorer, then they might just want to screw in millions of screws into iPhone for $4 an hour. But then wages drop, prices go up and you’re no long A country of mass consumption.

The truth is that America has a huge problem it’s called wealth disparity, the richest earn six times more than the poorest, in Europe it’s three times. The richest three men in USA have more wealth than the poorest 50% combined. Even with that statistic Musk is raping The country of all safety nets for the poorest in society.
Well now you're straying into some serious America-loathing that's probably better suited for somewhere other than the MacRumors forums.

I only say the trade imbalances are unfair in the sense that prior US administrations got us into bad trade deals. And they didn't incentivize US corporations enough to keep their manufacturing here, so they left. The blame falls squarely on past US leadership. Regarding foreign trade, Trump himself said he doesn't blame the other countries for taking advantage of the US, and that he would have done the same thing. Now the goal is to right as many of these wrongs as possible.
 
Well now you're straying into some serious America-loathing that's probably better suited for somewhere other than the MacRumors forums.

I only say the trade imbalances are unfair in the sense that prior US administrations got us into bad trade deals. And they didn't incentivize US corporations enough to keep their manufacturing here, so they left. The blame falls squarely on past US leadership. Regarding foreign trade, Trump himself said he doesn't blame the other countries for taking advantage of the US, and that he would have done the same thing. Now the goal is to right as many of these wrongs as possible.
Not really American-loathing, I think. It's see valid points in this post from @ForkHandles.
Which points do you not agree with?
 
You'll have no argument from me that German luxury autos are better in nearly every way than American autos. My whole point about the lack of US autos in the EU, is when European consumers look to buy a their next car, most US brands aren't even an option because of the restrictions the EU imposes on US cars.
Baloney. US cars are too large, inefficient and costly for the European market. Plus there is more competition/more brands. And a lot of homegrown loyalty between countries there. Plus they don't ban the sale of Chinese autos. China has already overtaken us in terms of innovation.
 
Obviously. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of business and manufacturing understands this. The guy imposing the tariff doesn't, though.
In other news, analysts have come up with many answers.
Joe Smith thinks manufacturing should move to the US.
Ivan Volkov can show how moving production to Russia would help
Trying Nguyen wants production in Vietnam.
Suresh Khadka can prove India is more profitable.
Scotty want them in Scotland.
Roberto Perez proves Mexico is the best location.
Big deal.
 
Well now you're straying into some serious America-loathing that's probably better suited for somewhere other than the MacRumors forums.

I only say the trade imbalances are unfair in the sense that prior US administrations got us into bad trade deals. And they didn't incentivize US corporations enough to keep their manufacturing here, so they left. The blame falls squarely on past US leadership. Regarding foreign trade, Trump himself said he doesn't blame the other countries for taking advantage of the US, and that he would have done the same thing. Now the goal is to right as many of these wrongs as possible.
No. No. No

There’s no hatred here only facts.

Previous American billionaires Worked out they could more easily achieve the American dream by outsourcing all manufacturing to economies that have cheaper labour.

There’s no incentivising billionaires, they’re just driven by the corporate dollar.
 
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