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Kuo: Apple Better Off Taking 25% Tariff Hit Than Move iPhone Production to US
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Deep down, I think he does. IMO, the tariffs debacle is more of a negotiation tool than a real expectation of bringing manufacturing back to the USA on a large scale. Labor, laws, red tape, lawsuits, insurance, unions, taxes, etc. are too much of a hurdle.
Evidence and analysis says otherwise.
All those things support a civilised society which is fair to the participants. Killing them kills civilised society.
Of course, the real world is more complicated than blame Biden for bad stuff and blame 45/47 for good stuff. Inflation started growing in late 2020 before Biden took office. Primarily as a result of supply chain shortages caused by COVID policies. Inflation continued to rise in 2021 when the US was operating under a budget signed by 45/47. Inflation peaked and began to decline in mid-2022, a few months after Biden's first budget went into effect.
Am I blaming any of this of either 45/47 or Biden? No. If anything I'd put some blame on the Federal Reserve. But the primary reason for the inflation was the pandemic. Biden had to choose to grow the economy and risk inflation or stagnate the economy and risk recession. There wasn't a perfect way through the problem.
Despite the voters blaming Biden for inflation, he, and the federal reserve, actually managed inflation better than most of our peers.
glad these two comments were next to each other. if Trump starts trying to individually tariff Apple I really cannot see a post-midterm Congress not trying to impeach him. taking the most eyeroll-inducing patriotic lens, the one that lawmakers take because their whole lives revolve around it, iPhone is one of the greatest American innovations of the 21st century and Trump would be a g-ddamn fool to essentially punish both the company who made it and all of its paying customers (who will end up eating the price of this if tariffs are pushed to a certain point). right now the only reason he's getting away with it is because 1) midterms haven't happened yet 2) Apple is being put under a blanket of other tech companies
Whatever you think as a robotics guy, I don't care either way. As I said before, I don't care if the phone is made here or on the moon. Moving production to the US means nothing to me.
It's a world economy and should be treated as such.
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That's quite a broad claim you're making about more than 77 million voters. The few of his supporters you might know may be uninformed, but I can assure you there are quite a lot of us out here who overwhelmingly support this pro-American agenda. Any U.S. president has considerable leverage to incentivize American companies to bring their manufacturing back to the US. Prior to Trump, very few (if any) others have dared to wield it in such a way. If he is successful in these attempts to mitigate much of the unfair global trade imbalances, while also bringing a large portion of manufacturing back to the States, it's just one of the many reasons he will be seen as one of the most consequential presidents in this country's short history.
Having worked in the political manipulation industry I can tell you that most are informed about the ideas but have little grasp of the real consequences of them. They feel they are in control but this is not true.
Edit: you can see the disparate realisation appearing in the republican camp at the moment.
A fine piece of this was the “Kamala is bad for Gaza” thing. Which is an appealing position. Now look where we are. (I don’t have a side there for ref - this is just an observation of what is said versus what happens).
Iphones arent built by robots. Tim Cook himself said there aren’t enough skilled labor in America who know how to work with the fine tooling needed to manufacture electronics. People like you is why Trump can push his nonsense
Corporations like Apple won't move factories to US until much of it can be automated... which translates to a minuscule number of jobs created for his blue collar worker voting base.
Designed by Apple in California.
Never understood the marketing behind that message.
Never understood the marketing behind that message.
If you think he's Pro-American, I don't know what to tell you.
He's Pro-Donald Trump, and that's it.
It's always been that way.
I think this is a political fight, not a legal fight. Because there might be standing, but I don’t know that this is justiciable (as a political question).
The lawyers will certainly be helpful navigating which imports receive which tariff from which country or origin.
Well, we can make educated or informed guesses though, right? I think that’s sort of what you’re saying you’re doing, and that’s at least what the administration says it’s doing. And there’s nothing wrong with that, but (no offense) your opinion and guesses are likely less informed and educated than economists and the administration. So I think what you’re really doing is deferring the decision to the administration, whereas many others are deferring to some economists that disagree.
Apple changes its product line to often for robots to be an option yet. My thing if robots where building iPhones what would even be the benefit to most Americans by bringing the factories onshore?
If Apple were to assemble in the US, that would make things even more complicated.
But even if they don’t, odds are China will retaliate. Which means any component produced in the US, such as the glass, would be hit with another tariff, meaning the actual price hike would exceed those 25%, unless Apple were to eat some of the cost.
That would open the door to Apple claiming production costs on an iPhone 16 Pro Max are $50.
Paying on the parts would be dependent on how the order is written. It would make no sense to tariff the imported parts if you wanted to encourage production in the US. But no one is accusing Trump of thinking these things thorugh.
Unfortunately he doesn’t think anything through. I hate having a president who uses social media like one of the cast members on a housewife show. I wish we had a congress who actually did their job and stopped letting him do whatever he wants. The thing I don’t understand is why Trump republicans are setting a precedent that a democratic administration can also take advantage of if they wanted. Everyone regardless of political ideology should support checks and balances. America isn’t supposed to have a king
ALL Of us know more about whats going on than that perfect specimen of an imbecile, Trump. That's evident by his complete and unadulterated idiocy.
MS13 tattoos.
They're eating the cats.
The wheel is older than the wall
etc.
etc.
ad nauseum
Why do you think a trade imbalance is unfair?
I have a trade imbalance with my local supermarket, they've never bought anything from me, i'm always buying from them.
But if you looked outside of your own country you'd realise that after Covid EVERY SINGLE western country had inflation which resulted in a cost of living crisis - it was government irrelevant. it's all part of a global pandemic and governments having to pay out billions to keep capitalist countries that ground to a halt still moving.
We knew we'd see massive inflation as well because it was the single biggest movement of money from governments to the super rich. Billionaires’ wealth increased more in the first 24 months of COVID-19 than in the previous 23 years combined, U.S. billionaires saw their collective wealth rise by 88% over four years, from $2.947 trillion in March 2020 to $5.529 trillion in March 2024.
Billionaires like to buy things and when there's nothing else for them to buy they buy the assets you want to own which causes inflation ten fold and eventually will result in poverty of the middle class as the assets you hope to buy increase in price so much your wages just can't keep up.
You had the best economy in the world during this time - mainly because the American billionaires did so well and thus this purchasing of stocks, bonds and gold sky rocketed asset prices - but it a least provided an opportunity for the middle classes to invest in something like the S&P 500 and make a profit.
Now under Trump the average person around the world, not just in America has lost THOUSANDS. He's personally wiped thousands off my pension and investments. Some people close to retirement age will not have enough time to build those investments back up so he's ruined their entire retirement by random ridiculous policy changes that change each day and tweeted out on his own banal social media platform that the biggest liar in power has the gaul to refer to as "Truth Social".
NONE of his policies have done anything to address the real issue - the wealth of the super mega rich which will continue to grow and assets will continue to get higher.