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A problem for whom?
I have seen people walk into an Apple Store and really be confused about what the different versions are. It's really dumb, especially if its someone older and not tech minded.. and the sales person is telling them, oh this is our best iPad.

Selling them an iPad Pro for web browsing etc. 😂

I guess it's just business....

I guess in the case of an iPad with larger screen... for vision impaired people.. this would be a genuine advantage.
 
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Imagine that they all are differentiated by price so you can choose one which is best for your budget. As tablets they all perform similar functions, but some have better speakers and displays or chips. Pretty hard to grasp i know
They are differentiated by features, build and functions... and then have a price attached.

They don't make iPads and say we have 10 of these at 399, 10 at 699 and 10 at 999.....

Salesperson: These are iPads and the difference between them is this one is 399 and that one is 999. The difference is that one is more expensive...

Customer: Er, what is the difference between them.

Salesperson: The price. We have a range of iPads at different prices.

Customer: Ok, so what is the differentiator between them?

Salesperson: The Price.

Customer: I'm off to the Samsung store.
 
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I'd say for most people, the cheapest or the smallest iPads are most worthwhile. Even if smallest isn't the cheapest, the size/portability is pretty compelling for casual use, which I think almost anyone can benefit from. Other larger or Pro iPads can be worthwhile if you have a more specific requirement for it, but also if you just want it--it's subjective.
That's also exactly my POV.
For many years the (just) iPad was probably the best value in Apple's whole lineup.
 
Which is more than enough for most people
Depends on the use case... some people use tablets for tablet thing... then there's others who want to do more than what a tablet typically does..

Like apple releasing iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard... but when you pay that much, and expect more than what a tablet usually does... I think it's just so much better buying a MacBook. This is where iPad OS becomes so so limiting. Apple did it to themselves. Especially when they put M series processors in them...

For most people... iPad OS does what they need..
 
The problem is they are fragmenting the products. There are already too many different iPads.


Cannot really clearly judge fragmentation of products without looking at the target markets the products are being sold into. There is lots of commentary here that revolves some notion of "the iPad line is confusing because they are trying to sell too many different units to me ... "

That is highly questionable. Apple is extremely unlikely trying to sell someone with a $249-449 iPab budget a $1,299 iPad. What they are doing is selling to a wider, more diverse set of people. As the general iPad product becomes more capable they are selling to a wider variety of folks ( e.g., pulling some folks out of classic PC form factors and into iPad. They don't have to pull 'everybody' out of the older form factor to have additional multiple millions of folks to sell a device to. )

Over the last year the iPad 9th Gen has dropped down to a $249 selling on more than several occasions. ( Amazon promos , holiday sales , etc. I happens about every quarter or two over last year). Little chance the 10th gen could have limbo under the $289 price point during that time period because it was a relatively much newer design (that isn't 'paid for' yet ).

There is a pretty good chance that Apple is going to take the iPad Pro with OLED into a more niche (higher priced ) space where compete against even more expensive "pro camera" and "pro design" hardware. That will leave a gap for a 12.9" iPad.

The reality is that the market is fragmented. Users have varying needs , budgets , and priorities. Most cases that leads to varying products to meet the varying needs. With a 50-60M units per year users base if a unit only sells 2-3M units that is a "substantial enough" addition to the line up even if it isn't a huge double digit percentage of the total.


If there is an iPad model that is "too big" , "too expensive " , "too small" for your budget and priorities .... don't buy it . It is just that simple. If Apple was packing 4-5 models into the same price range ( e.g., $599 +/- 200 ) that could get confusing , but they are not. If the add more while at the same time expanding the price point range the entire product line covers , then it the addressed market density is not going up.


[ Some folks get 'twisted' that more models means Apple is spread out thinner. That doesn't really happen on the iPhone line where most of it is sell older designs at new price points. The iPad is a bit different , but more than decent chance this 12.9 Air will primarily be just as scaled back iPad Pro 12.9 legacy design. ( strip off some cameras, Lasers, ProMotion, Some Color spectrum, etc. and sell at a lower price point with a "paid for" SoC ( M2). )

The lowest entry iPad will generally be an 'old' iPad chassis with some small incremental SoC upgrade that is also basically 'paid for' also.

In short, the older the iPad line up gets the more options there are to sell older, 'paid for' chassis at more competitive price points. Why is Apple going to give up on sell more iPads?

]
 
Cannot really clearly judge fragmentation of products without looking at the target markets the products are being sold into. There is lots of commentary here that revolves some notion of "the iPad line is confusing because they are trying to sell too many different units to me ... "

That is highly questionable. Apple is extremely unlikely trying to sell someone with a $249-449 iPab budget a $1,299 iPad. What they are doing is selling to a wider, more diverse set of people. As the general iPad product becomes more capable they are selling to a wider variety of folks ( e.g., pulling some folks out of classic PC form factors and into iPad. They don't have to pull 'everybody' out of the older form factor to have additional multiple millions of folks to sell a device to. )

Over the last year the iPad 9th Gen has dropped down to a $249 selling on more than several occasions. ( Amazon promos , holiday sales , etc. I happens about every quarter or two over last year). Little chance the 10th gen could have limbo under the $289 price point during that time period because it was a relatively much newer design (that isn't 'paid for' yet ).

There is a pretty good chance that Apple is going to take the iPad Pro with OLED into a more niche (higher priced ) space where compete against even more expensive "pro camera" and "pro design" hardware. That will leave a gap for a 12.9" iPad.

The reality is that the market is fragmented. Users have varying needs , budgets , and priorities. Most cases that leads to varying products to meet the varying needs. With a 50-60M units per year users base if a unit only sells 2-3M units that is a "substantial enough" addition to the line up even if it isn't a huge double digit percentage of the total.


If there is an iPad model that is "too big" , "too expensive " , "too small" for your budget and priorities .... don't buy it . It is just that simple. If Apple was packing 4-5 models into the same price range ( e.g., $599 +/- 200 ) that could get confusing , but they are not. If the add more while at the same time expanding the price point range the entire product line covers , then it the addressed market density is not going up.


[ Some folks get 'twisted' that more models means Apple is spread out thinner. That doesn't really happen on the iPhone line where most of it is sell older designs at new price points. The iPad is a bit different , but more than decent chance this 12.9 Air will primarily be just as scaled back iPad Pro 12.9 legacy design. ( strip off some cameras, Lasers, ProMotion, Some Color spectrum, etc. and sell at a lower price point with a "paid for" SoC ( M2). )

The lowest entry iPad will generally be an 'old' iPad chassis with some small incremental SoC upgrade that is also basically 'paid for' also.

In short, the older the iPad line up gets the more options there are to sell older, 'paid for' chassis at more competitive price points. Why is Apple going to give up on sell more iPads?

For me personally, I would like Apple to make a bigger iPad. Samsungs S9 Ultra has a 14” display. I think Apple should make a similar device, give that the Pro name. The 12” iPad Pro is then dropped to Air status and the Air then becomes the cheapest iPad.

I think Apple is doing what they did before Steve Jobs came back, making to many versions of one product. Next year they will be releasing a new product in a category that’s new to them, the Vision Pro.
 
What's the point of the Air. I'm seriously asking. You can get a refurbished iPad Pro for just a little more than the Air or get an iPad for a lot less than an Air.

I can't see where it works in the market.
 
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Only on MR do I hear some complain about iPad OS. Whats the beef—because it’s not Mac OS? The iPad is not intended as a laptop or desktop substitute.
The 8-core M1 is suited for multitasking, working with five apps simultaneously and running a dozen demons in the background. It is mind-boggling and sad how under-used this powerful chip is in an iPad.
 
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Ive been telling them for years to put a 13 inch screen in the iPad mini.

It's common sense. The portability of the iPad mini, with the screen estate of the larger Pro. *key thing is, that it's not foldable 🤔
Sometime around 2010(?) I saw a mock Apple ad on YouTube for an iDevice whose size could be changed by pinch-to-zoom. So you could “zoom” an iPhone-like device up to iPad size and down again. I wish I could find that video again. It illustrates well how far we are from actual “magic” technology.
 
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Like apple releasing iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard... but when you pay that much, and expect more than what a tablet usually does... I think it's just so much better buying a MacBook. This is where iPad OS becomes so so limiting. Apple did it to themselves. Especially when they put M series processors in them...

Apple's accessories fall into the same tarpit that their BTO prices on RAM/SDD capacity do. It isn't as much as mark on the base iPad's utility as it is on Apple going "over the top" on the accessory. I strongly suspect Apple sells fewer accessories for higher priced iPads than they do for lower ones. So the "pro" Magic Keyboard drives way out into the swamp of lower general utility. Apple is mainly just aiming at people would are just going to throw money at it because it is "Apple's label" solution to the problem . Buying more "Magic" than a "Keyboard". ( Apple knows it is going to be an "even lower volume" product so slap an extra "low volume" tax on it to goose up the margins. )


Apple's specific keyboard for an iPad is entirely optional. What the OS can do , or not, isn't tightly coupled to an Apple being on the label of the keyboard or not. Even more so now that every macOS DriverKit device driver now also should work on Pro level iPads also.
 
And iMacs the size of MacBooks. 😩
They will resize the iMac to HomePod... with 2 inch screen...

But the bigger issue might be the placement of the power cord... they may place it on the bottom, and forget it's not battery powered. So you have an iMac with 2 inch screen, but it can never be used upright because the power cord sticks out bottom.

But then, they will say, ahah... because its on its side.. the 2 inch screen will face you.

It will just be a pity they forgot to give the user a keyboard, or mouse (no longer included)

So you'd be left navigating MacOS on a 2 inch screen, via voice commands only.

Meanwhile, iPad Pro has increased in size to 27 inches.. and you can buy the iPad Pro Stand.. for $300. But since it runs iPad OS... its use will be limited as a desktop replacement. But on the plus side, they will ship you a mouse that wirelessly charges 🤨
 
I quite often go back and watch Steve Jobs presentations, I just love his presentation style. It's reminded that Apple's product line is now more fragmented than when he came back to Apple and reduced the selection to the 4 quadrants.

Obviously there will be more products "types" now, but it's an absolute mess currently.
 
I quite often go back and watch Steve Jobs presentations, I just love his presentation style. It's reminded that Apple's product line is now more fragmented than when he came back to Apple and reduced the selection to the 4 quadrants.

Obviously there will be more products "types" now, but it's an absolute mess currently.
Its amazing that Apple are gong through yet another cycle of more choice is better... they focus less on making a product thats just a stellar example of a device in its category.. and instead make every single permutation possible.
 
Its amazing that Apple are gong through yet another cycle of more choice is better... they focus less on making a product thats just a stellar example of a device in its category.. and instead make every single permutation possible.
That's exactly it.

Nowadays I think people stick with them due to being embedded in the ecosystem more than how good the products are.
 
Apple in 2033

iPad SE
iPad SE Plus
iPad
iPad Air Lite
iPad Air (2 sizes)
iPad Air Plus
iPad Pro Lite
iPad Pro
iPad Pro Plus
iPad Maxi Max
iPad Ultra (infinitely variable screen size using advanced Apple Smart Stretch)

iPad Vision Pro (a digital only version for your Vision Pro)
 
The problem is they are fragmenting the products. There are already too many different iPads.
It feels like yes, "they are fragmenting the products. There are already too many different iPads." But then again it is a hella big market space, and maybe Apple needs to offer more choices than seem appropriate. IDK. E.g. I need a new iPad because my v1 Air is too slow now, but none of the existing wide range of choices suits me enough to spend the money.
 
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