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Apple's desire to make a thin desktop makes that impossible. Not because of design, but because of thermal limitations. I mean, even the current 6700K thermal throttles at high use, imagine a Broadwell-E 6-core.
You are right about that it would probably take a redesign to incorporate the increased heat.

The current 6700K has a TDP of 91 Watts, the 6800K to 6950X have a TDP of 140 Watts. However what you are saying about the 6700K throttling is not true. It was in the 2014 version, in the 2015 version they've improved the thermal system and it doesn't throttle.

In addition to that their are rumors of upgrading from a the M395X (125 Watts) to an RX 480 (150 Watts).

I'd like them to get rid of the HDD (~10 Watts) and use the space for an improved thermal design. I doubt you get there when adding a net of at least 65 Watts without increasing the thickness of the iMac. I'm certain it can be done, I just don't think Apple will prioritize it.

I guess Apple could do the same with lower powered variants of the Xeon processors. The E5-2640 (10-core), E5-2630 (10-core), and E5-2620 (8-core) would work well in an iMac as they have 85-90 Watt TDP.

As far as the Mac Pro is concerned. If it going to be a niche Pro machine, make it a pro machine and differentiate it from the iMac's performance more or just kill it and focus on the iMac.
 
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You are right about that it would probably take a redesign to incorporate the increased heat.

The current 6700K has a TDP of 91 Watts, the 6800K to 6950X have a TDP of 140 Watts. However what you are saying about the 6700K throttling is not true. It was in the 2014 version, in the 2015 version they've improved the thermal system and it doesn't throttle.

In addition to that their are rumors of upgrading from a the M395X (125 Watts) to an RX 480 (150 Watts).

I'd like them to get rid of the HDD (~10 Watts) and use the space for an improved thermal design. I doubt you get there when adding a net of at least 65 Watts without increasing the thickness of the iMac. I'm certain it can be done, I just don't think Apple will prioritize it.

I guess Apple could do the same with lower powered variants of the Xeon processors. The E5-2640 (10-core), E5-2630 (10-core), and E5-2620 (8-core) would work well in an iMac as they have 85-90 Watt TDP.

As far as the Mac Pro is concerned. If it going to be a niche Pro machine, make it a pro machine and differentiate it from the iMac's performance more or just kill it and focus on the iMac.
i7 6700K as in the current one if it's 91W seems much better than IF they will update the CPU ...

About the GPU...Would that mean that it'd be "best" to aiming in buying the Current iMac (thinking of the Radeon R9 M390 it says 2gb but can't find the watts or specs?) and will run Logic Pro X.

Which'd be best overall the M390 or RX4xx ones for thermal´?
 
To follow Apple's Pro and Thinness fetishes, iMac might split in to Classic and Pro lines:

iMac Classic "extra thin"
- Full retina, last gen displays.
- AMD A10 and A12 APU's 65W TDP
- SSD 128GB or bigger
- DDR4 Ram soldered
- No Thunderbolt
- Retina model staring from $1,299.00

iMac Pro
- HDR Retina displays, maybe Apple pencil compatible
- Latest Intel CPU's less than 100W TDP
- Latest GPU's under 150W TDP
- Water cooling, no more hard drives
- SSD 256GB or bigger
- DDR4 user serviceable
- Thunderbolt 3 or similar PCIe tech
- Pricing starting from $1,999.00
- Space gray! :p

Disclaimer: everything is speculation up there...
 
I checked about a week ago, still said new for all the iMacs.

I think they're trying to milk it as much as possible, they aren't new at all anymore.

The sight says 'new force touch' on 15" MBP, 'new 5th Generation processors!', iphone 6s was 'new' a week ago.
Apple keeps mostly the same blurb from launch day till replacement day.
 
I'd love to see Apple do something like this. There are many people, such as professional photographers, who would happily pay more for a better specced iMac.

To follow Apple's Pro and Thinness fetishes, iMac might split in to Classic and Pro lines:

iMac Classic "extra thin"
- Full retina, last gen displays.
- AMD A10 and A12 APU's 65W TDP
- SSD 128GB or bigger
- DDR4 Ram soldered
- No Thunderbolt
- Retina model staring from $1,299.00

iMac Pro
- HDR Retina displays, maybe Apple pencil compatible
- Latest Intel CPU's less than 100W TDP
- Latest GPU's under 150W TDP
- Water cooling, no more hard drives
- SSD 256GB or bigger
- DDR4 user serviceable
- Thunderbolt 3 or similar PCIe tech
- Pricing starting from $1,999.00
- Space gray! :p

Disclaimer: everything is speculation up there...
 
The MacBook Air continues to exist because Apple needs a notebook under $1000. As soon as they can drive the MacBook to that price point (while keeping their margins), the MBA will be removed from the line-up, IMO.
If they put a full hd screen on the Air, I'm first in line. Usb-c would be icing on the cake.
 
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/41650-new-imac-will-be-a-Polaris

CPU can be either Intel Kaby Late 7000 series, or Apple reserved the ZEN production for themselves for October-February... ZEN CPU was to be released for consumers in October, but then postponed to February. Maybe it was delayed for consumers because Apple bought it all up to February?

Anyway, Polaris iMac on the way...!
 
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http://www.fudzilla.com/news/41650-new-imac-will-be-a-Polaris

CPU can be either Intel Kaby Late 7000 series, or Apple reserved the ZEN production for themselves for October-February... ZEN CPU was to be released for consumers in October, but then postponed to February. Maybe it was delayed for consumers because Apple bought it all up to February?

Anyway, Polaris iMac on the way...!
I doubt Apple will transition to Zen until a custom Zen+Polaris based SOC is available, but that is just my opinion.

I expect this release to make the Kaby Lake 7000 series available with Polaris GPUs. I'd be very happy with a Core i7-7700K (4.2 GHz->4.5GHz) cpu with an RX480 GPU and TB3/USB3.1 etc.

Just this week the Core i7-7700K started showing up in online benchmarks and in some retail pre-order channels. So I don't think the assumption that Kaby Lake isn't ready for an iMac release in October is entirely accurate.
 
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Just this week the Core i7-7700K started showing up in online benchmarks and in some retail pre-order channels. So I don't think the assumption that Kaby Lake isn't ready for an iMac release in October is entirely accurate.

Well it's a single retailer in Estonia per reports and Intel's leaked road-maps still say that CPU won't be available before next year though it is possible Apple is going to secure early production in time for next month (since that now looks like the launch date).
 
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I doubt Apple will transition to Zen until a custom Zen+Polaris based SOC is available, but that is just my opinion.

I expect this release to make the Kaby Lake 7000 series available with Polaris GPUs. I'd be very happy with a Core i7-7700K (4.2 GHz->4.5GHz) cpu with an RX480 GPU and TB3/USB3.1 etc.

Just this week the Core i7-7700K started showing up in online benchmarks and in some retail pre-order channels. So I don't think the assumption that Kaby Lake isn't ready for an iMac release in October is entirely accurate.
The only source we have to go off is this, this is the only source

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...repare-ipad-upgrades-and-refreshed-mac-lineup

That and the fact that they have refreshed the iMac in October of every year since something like 2009.

That article definitely makes it sound like the iMac will be released in October (as it always is).

I think they'll be releasing the iMac in October with only an upgraded graphics setup, and will late until mid 2017 for a Kaby lake update. That is my speculation.
 
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I think they'll be releasing the iMac in October with only an upgraded graphics setup, and will late until mid 2017 for a Kaby lake update.

You are probably correct with just video upgrades...

...Unless they have secured Kaby Lake production (which if memory serves they did when Apple first moved to Intel powered machines).
 
To follow Apple's Pro and Thinness fetishes, iMac might split in to Classic and Pro lines:

iMac Classic "extra thin"
- Full retina, last gen displays.
- AMD A10 and A12 APU's 65W TDP
- SSD 128GB or bigger
- DDR4 Ram soldered
- No Thunderbolt
- Retina model staring from $1,299.00

iMac Pro
- HDR Retina displays, maybe Apple pencil compatible
- Latest Intel CPU's less than 100W TDP
- Latest GPU's under 150W TDP
- Water cooling, no more hard drives
- SSD 256GB or bigger
- DDR4 user serviceable
- Thunderbolt 3 or similar PCIe tech
- Pricing starting from $1,999.00
- Space gray! :p

Disclaimer: everything is speculation up there...

Sounds good, but let's just steer clear of the moniker "classic". It rings too close to that of the iPod Classic, which was a product destined for EOL. I'd be happy with simply "iMac" like the "MacBook".
 
You are probably correct with just video upgrades...

...Unless they have secured Kaby Lake production (which if memory serves they did when Apple first moved to Intel powered machines).
I would hope that's the case, I'll be making a purchase this October and I would very much like it to be updated with the latest tech (in all areas). Though those skylake processors perform well.
 
Sounds good, but let's just steer clear of the moniker "classic". It rings too close to that of the iPod Classic, which was a product destined for EOL. I'd be happy with simply "iMac" like the "MacBook".
Yeah, I put it there just to make a distinction between two models. If Pro comes, old iMac name remains as is.
 
If Apple does not release a new iMac by late summer/fall, a machine with some serious GPU power at least I will buy my first PC this fall as the first since a long time ago. I love the iMac. But since Im doing a lot of rendering, 3d modeling and After Effects work I want my machine to be powerful. And, now that apple has discontinued the Apple Display, not updated the Mac Pro for 3 years and the iMac is one of the most powerful machines they can deliver Im starting to feel that Apple has completely abandoned the Pro Market. I think the iMac looks beautiful, dont get me wrong, but thats pretty much all the arguments I have left (and thats even though I own a Retina iMac maxed out BTO myself). if you pay the amount for a PC as you pay for the maxed out iMac, about 4.000 which I paid, I can get a monster machine now! From what I put together, a 128gb ram DDR4 2400MHz, a top notch 32" 4K monitor, GTX 1080, 8 Core CPU 3.2GHz i7, 1tb SSD. So we are talking one extremely powerful machine. All the arguments people are always giving (and myself too) about if you include the monitor in the iMac , the price isnt actually that bad, .... just doesn't make sense anymore. And honestly for me working with windows isnt a huge dealbreaker. Of course I think OSX is a better than Windows 10 - but not by miles. But with the completely unpredictable release dates of apple hardware and being late to the game almost every time with new hardware, Apple is starting to feel less appealing to me. I mean nobody in their right mind would buy the top priced Mac Pro today, the two GPU's perform less than a GTX 1080 together and you must pay so much for so little!
If Apple would take the pro market more serious, their BTO should always be up to date with new hardware. I mean they build your machine after you order it anyway. They could at least do that! I understand the secrecy to hyped consumer gadgets, but I dont understand secrecy to the pro market. its not like Im sticking to apple because of surprises when it comes to my working machine.

So, I have my money ready to get a top of the line iMac this fall, if apple is offering (and Ill gladly pay 4-5000 for it, if it is a proper product). If nothing shows up, and they keep selling outdated ****** hardware for stupid prices, and all we see is a snooze-worthy iPhone 7 this fall...I've decided to stop using Apple as a work/pro product and simply stick with their "toys" for now. Sadly pro machines and OSX was what made me jump to apple in the first place, and now what probably will make me stop being an apple evangelist. Ive always said to friends that asks that they should try apple and Ive converted a lot of people. But today, only non-nerds, parents and oldies who only gonna use the machine for facebook and browsing and text based programs should buy an apple, nobody that needs a proper machine for heavy lifting should consider Apple imo - too costly.

Sorry, had to get this off my chest.

The current top of the line iMac can go toe to toe with a base 2013 nMP. I'm not sure where all this rage is coming from.
 
The current top of the line iMac can go toe to toe with a base 2013 nMP. I'm not sure where all this rage is coming from.

Kind of funny you say that the top of the line iMac can go toe to toe with a pro machine from 2013. That means all in all Apple don't offer machines in 2016 that can do more than what hardware you had 3 years ago. Which is fine if OS X would be available from other vendors. But since Apple is the ONLY company that brings out OS X compatible machine (at least officially) they have an obligation to serve professional users professional machines with demanding hardware... and if they don't care about the Mac Pro they should give the iMac better CPU and gpu options.... not selling old hardware for premium initial prices that never change.
There's no rage here, I just completely disagree with Apples strategy when it comes to the professional market and macs these days. But honestly I don't care anymore, I built a PC that serves all the needs I have, a true professional machine where I can replace internals as I like and the performance eats any macs available for breakfast. I think it was the right time to switch and from now on I'll only buy Apple consumer products... So I'm a happy camper. ;)
 
I built a PC that serves all the needs I have, a true professional machine where I can replace internals as I like and the performance eats any macs available for breakfast. I think it was the right time to switch and from now on I'll only buy Apple consumer products... So I'm a happy camper. ;)
You're Apple core customer. iToys give them more profit and are replaced more often than Macs.

Did I just reason why Apple updates Mac's very seldom these days...
 
You're Apple core customer. iToys give them more profit and are replaced more often than Macs.

Did I just reason why Apple updates Mac's very seldom these days...

Sure I don't care if Apple takes my money when they make good products. And the iPad and iPhone are good products (though I must say I feel Apple has lost the creative flow with the iPhone 7 ).

No you didn't reason why they don't update, but you reasoned why I shouldn't/can't expect more from the iMac, which is beginning to look like apples only flagship pro desktop machine.
 
After what they did with the "new" iPhone 7 I'm pretty sure they'll just cram a "better" isight camera and "the newest, latest, most powerfull" skylake processors... Aaaaaannnnddd. nothing else.
 
But does the pre-order offer any expected delivery date? I perused the article and didn't find it. Also what varient will the iMac get? The 45W or 95W ?
The current Core i7-6700K in the current iMac is a 91W processor, so I assume the 95W variant would be used.
 
Kind of funny you say that the top of the line iMac can go toe to toe with a pro machine from 2013. That means all in all Apple don't offer machines in 2016 that can do more than what hardware you had 3 years ago. Which is fine if OS X would be available from other vendors. But since Apple is the ONLY company that brings out OS X compatible machine (at least officially) they have an obligation to serve professional users professional machines with demanding hardware... and if they don't care about the Mac Pro they should give the iMac better CPU and gpu options.... not selling old hardware for premium initial prices that never change.
There's no rage here, I just completely disagree with Apples strategy when it comes to the professional market and macs these days. But honestly I don't care anymore, I built a PC that serves all the needs I have, a true professional machine where I can replace internals as I like and the performance eats any macs available for breakfast. I think it was the right time to switch and from now on I'll only buy Apple consumer products... So I'm a happy camper. ;)

The top iMac from 2014 went toe to toe with the Mac Pro too. It's weakness was heat because a obsession with silence. A fan controlling program would keep it running at top speed longer.

The 2015 model is faster then the 2013 nMP in many areas that the two graphics chips in the nMP don't assist in. It's when the two graphics chips are utilized that the quad core nMP pulls ahead. Not bad for consumer grade parts in the iMac. :)

Keep in mind a top end iMac is 4K USD but it has everything and not just the computer itself. The Mac Pro is several grand more expensive with good peripherals purchased along with it.

I have a self built machine, 5930K, 32GB 2400 ddr4 quad channel with two GTX 1080 cards in SLI using a HDB bridge. It is fast and plays all kinds of games. It can do huge amounts of work too. However it doesn't have one thing my macs have; 100% uptime maintenance free.

I'd never give up my Mac but nor would I give up the hot rod gaming machine. They fill two different roles. :)
 
The top iMac from 2014 went toe to toe with the Mac Pro too. It's weakness was heat because a obsession with silence. A fan controlling program would keep it running at top speed longer.

The 2015 model is faster then the 2013 nMP in many areas that the two graphics chips in the nMP don't assist in. It's when the two graphics chips are utilized that the quad core nMP pulls ahead. Not bad for consumer grade parts in the iMac. :)

Keep in mind a top end iMac is 4K USD but it has everything and not just the computer itself. The Mac Pro is several grand more expensive with good peripherals purchased along with it.

I have a self built machine, 5930K, 32GB 2400 ddr4 quad channel with two GTX 1080 cards in SLI using a HDB bridge. It is fast and plays all kinds of games. It can do huge amounts of work too. However it doesn't have one thing my macs have; 100% uptime maintenance free.

I'd never give up my Mac but nor would I give up the hot rod gaming machine. They fill two different roles. :)


I had the maxed out 2014 5K iMac, which like you said was throttling when struggling. So for me this caused issues where I had to try not pushing it too hard. I heard that was better on the 2015. Nonetheless, the iMac is extremely silent and snappy until it starts struggling, then its fans go bananas loud.

Anyway, I built my pc for more than gaming, and if something goes wrong, the maintenance for me is actually better than with Mac. Because we dont have apple stores in norway and I have to send the machine in for repair. which means I will be without a computer for a few weeks. I rather replace the parts myself. And, having a 4.000$ iMac for websurfing and continuity only is overkill - nothing else I would use it for when I have the PC as well.
 
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