Let's Face It - MBPs are overpriced *&%@

[aristobrat]

the problem with any rev 1 product is that they don't have the feedback from millions of users who chance upon overlooked issues that a regular r and d department won't always catch

Your thought is true of ANY "rev".

For example, the last rev of PowerBooks (what were they, .. Rev E?) had screen issues that took Apple MONTHS to resolve.

As for Apple lowering the price of MacBook Pros, ... I think they sort of did -- by not raising the price of the MBP. If you consider that the price of a MBP is the same as the PowerBook line that it replaced, ...

 

[netdog]

Do you have a MacBook Pro?

I do, & I have no problems with it at all; it is 'a week 5' MacBook Pro. There is no whine at all, never has been; the fans don't come on very much or 'smell' at all; & it never gets so hot it burns me or I can't use it on my lap (unless I am running SIMS 2, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, & Parallels at the same time)

There is nothing wrong with my machine except I have one stuck pixel that is stuck on 'red' but it is covered by the dock. I know it's there, but sometimes I can't even find it. I think having 1/1260000 pixels dead is pretty good.

I love my MacBook Pro & is everything I thought it would be when I first ordered it, & the day before arrival I was flippin out if it was gonna be perfect or a frikkin flop ass DOA, but it turned out perfect, minus one pixel.

I don't have an MBP, but if I keep reading reports that they have fixed the noise problem, I will wait to see the MB and then most likely buy one or the other. I don't hate Windows and am quite masterful at using it, but the Mac is just a more tranquil environment in which my creative juices flow. That is why, for me, it must be quiet, and for the prices Apple charges, they should be quiet. We are paying top dollar and we deserve something very close to perfect for that money.

 

[mmmcheese]

My MBP isn't much warmer than my old iBook G3...

Apparently heat is much less acceptable these days...go figure.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

That is why, for me, it must be quiet, and for the prices Apple charges, they should be quiet. We are paying top dollar and we deserve something very close to perfect for that money.

I don't think that they are that loud, really. I'm not speaking of you here but there are a number of Noise Nazis floating around who have unacceptably high standards for quietness...and everyone has their own levels of noise tolerance. Since I am a PowerMac G4 user, I have a pretty high tolerance for noise.

The MacBooks have had some teething troubles but all in all they are worth the asking price, and very competitive with PC laptops in the same price range.

 

[netdog]

I don't think that they are that loud, really. I'm not speaking of you here but there are a number of Noise Nazis floating around who have unacceptably high standards for quietness...and everyone has their own levels of noise tolerance. Since I am a PowerMac G4 user, I have a pretty high tolerance for noise.

The MacBooks have had some teething troubles but all in all they are worth the asking price, and very competitive with PC laptops in the same price range.

If they are as quiet as an iMac, I will be happy. Even if they are almost as quiet.

 

[mmmcheese]

I don't think that they are that loud, really. I'm not speaking of you here but there are a number of Noise Nazis floating around who have unacceptably high standards for quietness...and everyone has their own levels of noise tolerance. Since I am a PowerMac G4 user, I have a pretty high tolerance for noise.

The MacBooks have had some teething troubles but all in all they are worth the asking price, and very competitive with PC laptops in the same price range.

The overall sound volume of the MBP (even with the whine) is about the same as my iBook G3...it's just a different sound. The MBP has a much quieter hard drive.

Also, compared to most notebooks, the MBP is still very quiet.

 

[BurtonCCC]

IMO, the 17" MacBook is a great value over the 15.4".

Before the 17" came out, I was thinking about getting a 15.4" and upgrading to the 2.16 processor, 2GB of RAM, and 120GB hard drive.

The 17" comes with two of those things... AND a 8X DL SuperDrive, and freaking huge screen, which, if you work it out, are pretty much free after what the processor, hard drive, etc. upgrades would cost.

So, I'll definitely be getting the 17" and then buying some aftermarket RAM for it and then I'll be set.

Daniel.

 

[mmmcheese]

IMO, the 17" MacBook is a great value over the 15.4".

Before the 17" came out, I was thinking about getting a 15.4" and upgrading to the 2.16 processor, 2GB of RAM, and 120GB hard drive.

The 17" comes with two of those things... AND a 8X DL SuperDrive, and freaking huge screen, which, if you work it out, are pretty much free after what the processor, hard drive, etc. upgrades would cost.

So, I'll definitely be getting the 17" and then buying some aftermarket RAM for it and then I'll be set.

Daniel.

Yeah, value is a personal opinion though. To me, the 15.4" is better value...but that's because I don't want a machine as large as a 17".

 

[BurtonCCC]

Yeah, value is a personal opinion though. To me, the 15.4" is better value...but that's because I don't want a machine as large as a 17".

True. I do work with photography so much, but I'm still deciding if I want something that big.

I'm still so proud of my 12" PB.

Daniel.

 

[mark!]

LMFAO @ her's still being thicker when yours is on top of something.

I think it's hilarious how people think 3" laptops are portable.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

One thing to remember is that Apple's MacBooks are not true DTR laptops because Apple has always demanded good mobility from its portable line. Powerhouse PC DTR laptops are often nowehere near as mobile...some are essentially useless in terms of battery life.

 

[mark!]

One thing to remember is that Apple's MacBooks are not true DTR laptops because Apple has always demanded good mobility from its portable line. Powerhouse PC DTR laptops are often nowehere near as mobile...some are essentially useless in terms of battery life.

Sorry, I feel stupid...but what is DTR?

 

[Hunts121]

Sorry, I feel stupid...but what is DTR?

Desk Top Relplacement

 

[BurtonCCC]

Desk Top Relplacement

Or Drive-Thru Records.

Daniel.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

Sorry, I feel stupid...but what is DTR?

Desktop replacement. Most PC hardware manufacturers' flagship laptops fall into this category.

Generally a DTR laptop is meant (as it sounds) as a total replacement for your desktop in features and performance, which usually means sacrificing mobility. DTRs tend to be quite hot (sometimes too hot to safely use on your lap, especially in the case of the Pentium 4 models), have very poor battery life and are heavy; some DTR laptops weigh over 10 pounds. Some even have 19" screens. They also tend to have very powerful mobile GPUs like an nVidia 6800Go or even 7800 series chip, which are only marginally mobile in terms of heat dissipation/power consumption. In short a DTR is a laptop made with desktop parts and either a big huge battery in a vain attempt at mobility or a regular sized battery that is useless.

In terms of performance they are very powerful, but they are not something you could carry around and comfortably use. They are menat to be carried to somewhere with a wall outle and set up ona desk. So they are similar in concept to the "luggable" suitaces PCs of decades past.

PowerBooks and the MacBook are not as powerful as most DTR laptops but they are actually useable on battery power and don't weigh a ton. They are also nice and thin - and not ugly, which is always a plus.

 

[mark!]

Oh, jk


I think the MacBook Pro really is a desktop replacement, but in the old, & forever ago rolleyes: ) PPC days, the PowerBook deffinately wasn't...

Now the MacBook Pro is pretty good with matching up with the iMac, but iMac isn't pro. So the MacBook Pro is = to the iMac, & the MacBook (iBook) [will] = the MacMini...

Sounds like we need one to match the MacPro


Quad Core Duo Super MacBook Pro please.
Make that with 8 GB of RAM to go, thanks.

'Okay you're total is $11,000.16, please pull up to the second window'

 

[tcar18]

how long does it typically take for a revision.

Anyone know how long it took for a powerbook G4 revision?

 

[Lord Blackadder]

It depends on what you mean by "revision".

The 15" Macbook Pro is already on its 5th or 6th logic board revision...in terms of a major hardware revisions check our Mac Guides section, it has a detailed breakdown of the average amount of time between new hardware releases depending on the model.

 

[cait-sith]

I think the MacBook Pro really is a desktop replacement, but in the old, & forever ago rolleyes: ) PPC days, the PowerBook deffinately wasn't...

Are you kidding? I'm a software engineer and I use my G4 15" PB as my main desktop machine. Just plug it into a monitor and keyboard and away you go. Desktop replaced.

 

[mmmcheese]

Sorry, I feel stupid...but what is DTR?

Dirty Tramp Rectum?

 

[mark!]

Are you kidding? I'm a software engineer and I use my G4 15" PB as my main desktop machine. Just plug it into a monitor and keyboard and away you go. Desktop replaced.

I'm talking about in terms of G5 vs. G4

Now its just Core duo vs. Core duo

 

[mmmcheese]

Oh, jk


I think the MacBook Pro really is a desktop replacement, but in the old, & forever ago rolleyes: ) PPC days, the PowerBook deffinately wasn't...

Now the MacBook Pro is pretty good with matching up with the iMac, but iMac isn't pro. So the MacBook Pro is = to the iMac, & the MacBook (iBook) [will] = the MacMini...

Sounds like we need one to match the MacPro


Quad Core Duo Super MacBook Pro please.
Make that with 8 GB of RAM to go, thanks.

'Okay you're total is $11,000.16, please pull up to the second window'

Bolt some wheels on the bottom of a G5 Quad and attach an LCD screen to the side.

 

[liketom]

Bolt some wheels on the bottom of a G5 Quad and attach an LCD screen to the side.

faster then a ferrari i bet lol

 

[mmmcheese]

faster then a ferrari i bet lol

Because of the racing stripes...

 

[Deepdale]

At these prices, Apple should have done better, and they didn't.

Paying a noticable premium does not seem to unduly trouble established Mac users. It may not always be justified, but Apple knows its customer base and the loyalty shown enables them to do what they want in the pricing area.