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Let's Face It - MBPs are overpriced *&%@
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I can't believe people still think that Mac users pay a premium for hardware. This kind of lousy reasoning comes from some person glancing over the Dell $200 special and thinking that POS is the same as Mac hardware. 
If you looked at an equivalent PC laptop to the MBP, you would end up paying more. Get any laptop from a PC gaming laptop maker like Alienware, Voodoo PC, Sager, and you will see the prices are over $3000.
You can get an MBP for under $3000 fully loaded. Even the 17 inch one. Unless Apple changed the price and nobody told me.
And another thing ...
Runs hot? Noisy fans? I have an Alienware gaming laptop here you might want to take a look at.
Poor battery life? Stop running Windows on your MBP.
If you looked at an equivalent PC laptop to the MBP, you would end up paying more. Get any laptop from a PC gaming laptop maker like Alienware, Voodoo PC, Sager, and you will see the prices are over $3000.
You can get an MBP for under $3000 fully loaded. Even the 17 inch one. Unless Apple changed the price and nobody told me.
And another thing ...
Runs hot? Noisy fans? I have an Alienware gaming laptop here you might want to take a look at.
Poor battery life? Stop running Windows on your MBP.
Well I can't wait to get mine. Can't speak for the overpriced part because the office is probably going to buy it for me
zap2 said:
Except for those who have already purchased up to that point and are still listening to Apple's phone monkeys declaring that "there are no known issues" with the MBP
Hey, it is happening with the horizontal lines on PB HD screens! STILL!
After G said:
I know what you are talking about- I had a HP Pavilion ZV5000Z w/ an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ processor and that thing-
1) Weighed half a ton.
2) Was loud (compared to my iBook G4- fan only ever came on once so far).
3) Was warm enough to heat my room during winter (same for my G5 as well....
).
aristobrat said:
i see your points, it's just that rev a models of any manufactured computer product has multiple major issues and later revisions may suffer with a major issue or two, but are generally improvements
common sense tells us this but i spent years in college and grad school trying, with thousands of others worldwide, to counteract the lemon problem that haunts rev a products even though the students, professors, and scientists from other fields such as mathematics knew it was nearly an impossible task
one colleague i know at toshiba spent six years working on a form of a flash memory card before they thought it was ready for the market...sounds simple, but believe it or not, even something seemingly simple like that involves a ton of research
it's kind of like beating cancer through an airtight form of prevention or detection...on paper it sounds like a great idea, but in practice they are years away from that
my wife has a yet undiscovered genetic predisposition to breast cancer, which she got, stage IIIa, but the current models known are brac I and brac II of which she tested negavie, but there are many others, perhaps, but there's a lot of math and research that needs to be done to isolate other genetic factors...the genetic counselor at stanford medical centers was convinced she had an undiscovered genetic factor
same goes with manufacturing of computer products in the sense that it would be nice to isolate issues and problems first and come out with a decently running machine
some really high math goes into predicting what factors mixing and matching components could yield when making a new product like the mbp, but all the technology and brains out there will not catch all the mistakes...it's one thing to put together a pc from standard parts, but yet another to take a mac, work it with tiger, and do that on an intel architecture from a relatively new intel chip
macworld was nice in the fact that they gave the mbp four mouses out of five, but made the review look more like a two and a half mouse review
that being said, i would love to have any rev a mac over a similarly priced rev a pc, laptop or desktop...and i am happy with my rev a intel imac, problems and all, but i know the next rev of the intel imac should be faster and more problem free as will be the next rev of the macbook pro
mmmcheese said:
i guess many of us mac users demand continuing and evolving excellence...and we get SPOILED ROTTEN
but if we just look over at the pc side, we should realize how lucky we really are
>>> Apparently heat is much less acceptable these days...go figure.
It is not so much heat that is less acceptable, but gas prices are the highest now as compared to... geez.. I have no idea. Anyhow performance per watt is what matters now, and if your CPU is producing heaps of heat it is obviously not very efficient per watt!
It is not so much heat that is less acceptable, but gas prices are the highest now as compared to... geez.. I have no idea. Anyhow performance per watt is what matters now, and if your CPU is producing heaps of heat it is obviously not very efficient per watt!
jefhatfield said:i guess many of us mac users demand continuing and evolving excellence...and we get SPOILED ROTTEN
but if we just look over at the pc side, we should realize how lucky we really are
Well, all I can say is that the MBP is the best laptop I have ever had (mac or pc)...
I went to the Alienware site Configured the Aurora m7700, and I also configed the 17" mac book pro so they have the same amount of RAM, drives CPU etc. And the Alienware is $4,802.00 US the macbook pro is $3,448.00. Which one is higher priced?
A 17" Dell w/ a 2.0GHz Core Duo is roughly $2800. I didn't spec it out exactly the same as a MBP, but it's definately in the same ballpark.trainguy77 said:
So if people are saying that performance of a MBP is 2x-3x more than the PowerBook, but the heat's about the same, ... that's an improvement, no?generik said:
trainguy77 said:
Gotta love it. A similar spec'd PC costs ~$1,400 more than a Mac.
Whoever said that Macs were more expensive.
We need to drive those prices down! Way to high!dmw007 said:Gotta love it. A similar spec'd PC costs ~$1,400 more than a Mac.
Whoever said that Macs were more expensive.
Those PC prices are insane! Who pays those prices?
Being relatively new to the Mac world, I was surprised and happy to see that MacWorld gave the MBP a tough but fair review. I had seen their previous "star" ratings and it seems like pretty much everything from Apple rated four stars.jefhatfield said:
I agree w/ the rest of your post too.
That's the thing.trainguy77 said:We need to drive those prices down! Way to high!
AlienWare's market is serious gamers. I swear some of those folks wouldn't think twice about giving away one of their children for an ultimate rig.
j/k j/kAnd thrifty people don't pay Dell "normal" prices. They hang out at FatWallet or BensBargains until Dell releases those stackable coupons that take $800 off a laptop.
aristobrat said:I agree w/ the rest of your post too.
i get scolded to hades when ever i say something bad about any rev a mac...people take it as if i am attacking all macs ever made
many mac fanboyz are convinced that when apple releases something, it's from the very hand of god and perfect in every way, shape, and form
it's almost as if they believe:
Book of Genesis, Chapter 1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(2) And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
(2.5) Then God said, "Let there be Macs and a Steve Jobs to lord over the computer industry."
