I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with a post so much. The performance of the M1 aside (which objectively for throughput is incredible) I actually think the whole “quality of seerrrvice” Grand Central Douchebag scheduling is not that influential and in part the animations and such leave performance sloppy on low power mode especially. Just sad really. And good god, don’t let me get to iOS
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Let's get one thing straight, Apple software quality is no where as good as it used to be!
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It's quite a reversal from the older days right? Windows used to be the disaster and OSX was the sleek clean smooth alternative. Now it's a bloated over animated mess, and I think Big Sur was the final straw for me. I hate it. Also, another thing I hate is external monitors with macOS. More often than not, if I plug my MBP into my external monitor it throws my windows all over the place and doesn't remember where I had them before, and the colors are all washed out on the monitor.
Well I would think that signing the old os for reinstall on supported device would not be that resource intensive....
I am not asking for new feature, but a right to downgrade, put a security warning and such, but let people go back.
I am okay with Apple software. Really liked Bigsur on M1Mac and I love my ipad pro too mainly because of outstanding drawing apps but I cannot tolerate an iPhone. For me, It is less about software and more about overall experience. I am still using Galaxy s7 edge. It still works great for online banking, multiple tabs in browsers, YouTube, photography, email etc. I also used Galaxy Note 10 and found it to be an outstanding device. I found the software of my M1 iPad pro to be too restrictive sometimes. Samsung feels very liberating. I hated my Apple pencil once I used the in-built s pen inside Note. Other than an average battery life and a bit weaker processor for gaming, a Samsung phone is miles ahead of iphone. It has call recordings, great camera and display, a proper file system, endless customization, in-display fingerprint sensor and face id both with flawless accuracy, USB C, VR support, s pen in Note series which is way ahead of Apple pencil, Nova launcher can give you nearly any animation/ wallpaper scrolling/ transitions etc. Still I like people who buy iphones. It helps subsidize real innovation like M1 chips. Ipad pro is an inexpensive high quality drawing tablet, M1 Mac mini is a very good value computer. We wouldn't have got these had people bought Samsung phones.
My backup phone is a pixel 3a. Simply a good solid experience.
Just be glad your 4 year old phone is still getting the latest updates.
Yeah iOS is a bit buggy at the moment, but give it a few months and most things will get ironed out, Samsung phones are generally buggy throughout the life of the phone.
I actually found myself being quite happy with the smoothness of ios15. But I did upgrade this year.
I do plan on however not updating to iOS 16 unless I upgrade hardware again. I have noticed for a while that the “planned obsolescence” is more than just a meme. It seems like every time I upgrade to the new software my device gets stuttery. Still have my mba on Mojave for this reason.
Galaxy phones have no FaceID or any other reliable alternatives. They are using simple face photo unlock which is much less secure then even 4-digit pincode. Better stick with fingerprint sensor.
Some older Galaxy phones used Iris scanners, but this feature required you to hold your phone like 10-15 cm from the face which was not very usable.
Yep, I think coming to the point for privacy and security. Samsung has Knox and the Knox vault which is even more secure the Secure Enclave.
so I am excited to use that feature in my Samsung.
I use Windows 10 on my 16” mbp and it’s like a different computer in a good way. It’s faster and quicker and oh and external monitors work great. macOS has **** external monitor support. The 1080p and 1440p are so bad and blurry in macOS.
scaling options also suck on macOS too. I am really thankful I have an intel Mac and that I can use native windows on my 16.
iOS 15 is way buggier than iPhoneOS 3 for sure. However, iOS 15 does WAY WAY more stuff. There is just more opportunity for bugs. Further, everyone gets access to the iOS update simultaneously. This allows a lot more bugs to be found by the different sets of hardware and use cases.
People who want more stability can stick with the previous OS now while still keeping security patches. Those who want new features will have to endure the occasional bug.
Still, I hold Apple to a higher standard than any other company. They should do better.
People who want more stability can stick with the previous OS now while still keeping security patches. Those who want new features will have to endure the occasional bug.
Still, I hold Apple to a higher standard than any other company. They should do better.
People don't like hearing it but Apple's standards have been declining ever since Steve Jobs died.
They still make good products, but it’s not with the same amount of “love”.
For example, the Air moniker was specifically given to products that were designed from the ground up to be as thin, light, and portable as possible. Now it’s slapped onto a product that reuses old parts as a “clever” way to generate more revenue for the company. This seems to be a recurring theme in Apple’s product releases.
It's not something that can be taken as single user making a decision. Our whole family is Apple centric. Anyone who tried to leave was banished to one on one communication. No group chat ever. Macs, iPhones, iPads, Apple TV Apple watches the entire family, more than 30 users would have to leave or move to something like WhatsApp.
It's just not feasible. I just wait a few revs until the OS is more stable. Only 1 of my phones has been upgraded to 15. My main Mac is still on Catalina. The test 2017 MBP 15 is on Big Sur. I will test Monterey at .1 or .2
For the most part our Apple devices are easy to use and stable.
It's just not feasible. I just wait a few revs until the OS is more stable. Only 1 of my phones has been upgraded to 15. My main Mac is still on Catalina. The test 2017 MBP 15 is on Big Sur. I will test Monterey at .1 or .2
For the most part our Apple devices are easy to use and stable.
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what an absurd comment. as if he'd laid no groundwork before he passed, and apple's execs got up the next day, and planned to ruin everything
in the real world, things change. OSes evolve, become more complicated, as we get new features, improved code, new options... and new bugs.
if you compare ios15 to, say, ios 4... there's a lot more going on, and i'm grateful for that. but more also means... more things to become problematic.
anyway, we all have our opinions. i grew up on macs, since the power pc 6100 & mac os 7.6. right now (ios 15, monterey), i am having a great time (& not a perfect one; there are bugs, but there are always bugs).
but i'm pleased that apple keeps moving forward, and we're not left running ios 4. and whining with each new os does nothing, except, perhaps, make for an entertaining read.
1. I'm honestly not being snarky when I say this, but PLEASE break up posts into smaller paragraphs. Very hard to read a huge block of text with no logical breaks. I did read it, but was very tempted to skip it because of that (and I'm sure others will).
2. As someone (me) who has been using Apple products since 2005, I couldn't disagree more. I think you are exaggerating . . . majorly. I use Windows 10 every day at work and it works just fine for me as well, so I'm not one of those Apple users who trash Windows. I simply prefer macOS and it's definitely not inferior to Windows overall. Both have their ways of doing things that some people love and some people don't.
Your actual examples are definitely hyped. For example, I use the Message app every day (iOS and macOS), and it's not slow at all and the ONLY bug I've had is on the macOS version where sometimes it will crash if I use the insert-emoji button, but that's easy to work around.
As for browsers, obviously you don't have to use Safari on macOS. I don't. I use Chrome primarily and also Firefox. You can install ad/content blocker extensions on those for sure.
To take a screenshot of a custom area, you actually only need to press command + shift + 4 (no need to include the control key). Print Screen in Windows does NOT let you take a screenshot of a custom area - it takes the screen shot of the entire screen (like command + shift + 3 does on macOS). I use the Snipping Tool on Windows to do custom screenshots. While it works great, it's also much slower than on Mac, because you have to manually save each screenshot, whereas macOS does that automatically for you, so you can take a lot of screenshots much faster.
It literally gets worse every year. I think there’s a reason they’ve dropped the “it just works” marketing from heavy rotation. Does anything really just work anymore? A day doesn’t go by where I don’t have some burdensome and ongoing Apple-software headache.
Their sloppiness on this front is tremendously embarrassing given their price points, marketing, and history, and it’s certainly changed my buying habits. I still upgrade the phone every year for the camera improvements, but that’s the only reason why. I used to upgrade nearly all my devices a lot more often, some every year as well, though I no longer do. The upsides of the hardware aren’t felt when the software is this bad and I no longer enjoy taking a bath on 1-year old products when they can’t be bothered to make quality software.
And there’s an important word: enjoy. I used to enjoy all this tech when it mostly did just work. Every day I find myself cursing it for one reason or another now; it’s not really fun anymore. It’s about as fun as Windows never was. I think the word I’d use is “burden.”
Apple is extremely lucky their main competitor is run like an equal or worse clownshow the majority of the time.
Please let the next CEO be a genuine product person. Apple needs a leader that actually uses these products and challenges teams to make the best experience for the customer. That’s been missing for years and it’s only getting worse.
Their sloppiness on this front is tremendously embarrassing given their price points, marketing, and history, and it’s certainly changed my buying habits. I still upgrade the phone every year for the camera improvements, but that’s the only reason why. I used to upgrade nearly all my devices a lot more often, some every year as well, though I no longer do. The upsides of the hardware aren’t felt when the software is this bad and I no longer enjoy taking a bath on 1-year old products when they can’t be bothered to make quality software.
And there’s an important word: enjoy. I used to enjoy all this tech when it mostly did just work. Every day I find myself cursing it for one reason or another now; it’s not really fun anymore. It’s about as fun as Windows never was. I think the word I’d use is “burden.”
Apple is extremely lucky their main competitor is run like an equal or worse clownshow the majority of the time.
Please let the next CEO be a genuine product person. Apple needs a leader that actually uses these products and challenges teams to make the best experience for the customer. That’s been missing for years and it’s only getting worse.
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I disagree. One UI is nice, smooth and polished. Never run into issues with my Fold 3.
Definitely lost its polish and “just works” tag line. But iOS does so many things better and android. Same way android does so many things better than iOS.
I use both on a daily basis and windows is not better overall.
I have pain points on both windows and Mac OS. There both also have features that I miss when using the other.
Right now I prefer Mac because the MacBook Air with the M1 is arguably the best laptop right now. I also love the Apple displays and like Touch ID.
On the desktop side, I do prefer windows and PC’s because I have more choice and the current choices with Apple don’t align with me.
what an absurd comment. as if he'd laid no groundwork before he passed, and apple's execs got up the next day, and planned to ruin everything
in the real world, things change. OSes evolve, become more complicated, as we get new features, improved code, new options... and new bugs.
if you compare ios15 to, say, ios 4... there's a lot more going on, and i'm grateful for that. but more also means... more things to become problematic.
anyway, we all have our opinions. i grew up on macs, since the power pc 6100 & mac os 7.6. right now (ios 15, monterey), i am having a great time (& not a perfect one; there are bugs, but there are always bugs).
but i'm pleased that apple keeps moving forward, and we're not left running ios 4. and whining with each new os does nothing, except, perhaps, make for an entertaining read.
Many fair points, but as someone else who’s been using all this stuff for a long time, I can’t think of a time when it’s felt as bad as it has the last few years. Complexity absolutely plays a part and for many years I used that as an excuse too. At this point though, there are too many basic things that are constantly broken.
Reminders has been broken for me for years; I’ve tried all their troubleshooting. I’ve done seemingly everything, but scheduling and deleting are completely broken, and since iOS 15, I literally can’t even use the app. I open it and all I see is a white screen that crashes eventually. This is just reminders.
AirPlay is another thing that somehow “just worked” ten years ago on far more antiquated software and network tech, and now seems to never “just work,” just like the original HomePod which I’ve about thrown out the window countless times in the last year.
I could fill a large Excel sheet with bugs, and yes, I file bug reports and oftentimes work for many hours with the techs to try to work through these issues.
Bugs have always existed, yes, but the nature and frequency and frustration levels in recent years to me is genuinely sad. I haven’t talked to any serious Apple user who hasn’t felt it. They have very much slipped up, and they no longer have strong enough leadership to right the ship.
But they have Ted Lasso…
When their best non-hardware product is a TV show, something is amiss.
i respect your right to your opinion. but i am thriving; my work mac (logic, final cut) is really happy, and am working without glitches, crashes, sluggishness, etc.
my 'everything else' macbook is good too; some random quirks, but no OS, at any stage of it's development, is bug-free.
remember, more features, complexity, can mean more bugs. but i wouldn't trade this moment for any previous one; i do not want to give up the enhancements and options i have now for less. am also not giving up my flatscreen tv for a picture tube one, or my iphone 12 for a 3gs...