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rui no onna

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What multitasking is my 2016 iPP missing?

All 3 apps active when doing both splitview + slideover.

Dunno if that’s still the case with iOS 15 but there were complaints about that back in the day. I believe there were also complaints about the 2015 iPad Pro (A9X/4GB) having this feature during early betas but later getting removed.
 
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I really wonder how many people would really want such complicated UI on an iPad, when they can just buy a $1000 Macbook Air with full macOS and keyboard+trackpad already included.

I also believe manipulating windowed app on anything less than 13.3" screen, especially one with touch UI, would be too cumbersome. I tried multiple windows on my 12/4" Galaxy tab S7FE, and the desktop space just feels cramped/too small, that I only use the standard 2 apps side-by-side at the most.

And using external monitor won't suffice if it just mirrors the current iPad desktop space. It would still exhibit the same problems.
 

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"does less" is highly subjective. The iPad line does things that no Macbook does. They're two different form-factors.

Nearly everyone here on MacRumors criticized Microsoft for the Surface tablet line of products. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over how Microsoft was simply putting a desktop OS on a tablet were of epic proportions.

I was one of them. Slapping a desktop OS (with oversized UI elements) on a tablet is NOT a good thing. It wasn't good when Microsoft did it, it wouldn't be good should Apple decide to do it.

Google has stumbled and fumbled with ChromeOS with regard to trying to bridge the divide between the laptop and tablet form-factor. They did a better job than Microsoft IMO, but they still fell way short... but that was an easier task since ChromeOS is far less functional than Windows.

Samsung IMO, has done the best job to-date in providing a tablet and desktop experience in a single device. DeX on their Android tablets is really a thing to behold for those who aren't swayed by the emotions of platform fandom.

Their Galaxy tabs are uncompromising in their tablet usage, and come the closest to a desktop experience using the same mobile OS.

Apple does NOT have a good track record with UX design when it comes to iOS/iPadOS. Their track record on the desktop isn't much better. I have no faith that Apple would do better than Microsoft should they decide to put MacOS on an iPad.

Is it possible to have an OS that can provide a stellar user experience as both a tablet AND a laptop? Absolutely! Does Apple have the will (they HAVE the technical ability to do it) to do that? Absolutely not! They didn't become a $3 trillion company by giving customers reasons to buy fewer products.
There is a level of hardware versatility with iPad that keeps bringing me back. It’s so awesome when you are working on something “work-ish” and then just detach the iPad from the keyboard, sit on the couch and catch up on some YouTube videos. Of course the drawing is huge as well. Love it. I am really hoping for the ability to extend the display on iPadOS 16.
 

cupcakes2000

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The fact that an iPad Pro costs more than a MacBook Air and does less than a MacBook Air boggles my mind.

I get the pencil-and-tablet stuff is useful for people. But I don't get paying more than a laptop to be able to do that.

Seriously, just make the iPad run macOS and it would be both devices very effectively. All problems solved.
Define ‘do less’. In my eyes the iPad does more.
 
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If Apple next week announces iPad OS and it brings along windowed app support and better external display support what do you think the requirements will be. I have a feeling that it will be limited to the M1 pros or at the very least 2018/2020 pros.
how is that different from DEX from samsung? and samsung doesnt need high performance SoC
I think any new design ipad can work/be supported
I mean every ipad pro since 2018 with A12X and newer
 
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Define ‘do less’. In my eyes the iPad does more.
define "does more" The ipad even after a decade still doesnt offer full file management support :)) something that was basic thing for any OS back 20 years ago
Hey if on my ipad can work in Maya or final cut pro, im all for it
 
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I'd wager the 2020 iPad Pro would be a cut off point (the standardized 6GB of ram vs. different amounts of ram in 2018 models, depending on the storage size). We'll see in a week ;)
 

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define "does more" The ipad even after a decade still doesnt offer full file management support :)) something that was basic thing for any OS back 20 years ago
Hey if on my ipad can work in Maya or final cut pro, im all for it
By the same token, after more than a decade there still isn't a Mac with a touchscreen for drawing, something even the first iPad offered. If you need Maya or FCP for work I'm not sure why you'd want to run them with only 5GB available RAM and no swap, or only 12GB RAM on the 1/2TB iPads.
 
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The external display must be A12 or later
All of the windows and split view are available on all iPads, I believe
 

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All 3 apps active when doing both splitview + slideover.

Dunno if that’s still the case with iOS 15 but there were complaints about that back in the day. I believe there were also complaints about the 2015 iPad Pro (A9X/4GB) having this feature during early betas but later getting removed.
Possibly, but I honestly don't remember anything multi-tasking that I my iPP didn't get. With iOS 13 and 14 mine was even closer to current specs so there would have been fewer hardware reasons why it wouldn't get an OS feature.
 

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Videocall working over teams during split screen is one point of doing better in the future software. There could be something with sandbox that only works on M1.
 

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I’m really hoping the 2020 iPad Pro doesn’t get left out. If it does, I’m going to be really mad and my wallet will be in excruciating pain as soon as the M2 iPad Pro is released. I actually am on the edge about upgrading anyway, but if the 2020 iPad Pro is still supported by iPadOS 16, that’ll save me about $3000 (I live in Canada, that‘s why the iPad Pro is so expensive here) so I can wait until the OLED iPad Pro comes out in 2024, and I’ll have an easier time saving up to buy a MacBook Pro in the meantime, since I’ve all but given up hope for the iPad software ever becoming more useful. It’s basically an expensive laptop/tablet that runs a blown up mobile operating system. Then again, I might upgrade anyway because I might run out of storage and because I want the cellular model. I’ve used up almost 400GB on my 512GB iPad Pro. I’m also hoping that the next iPad Pro (which would mean the M2 chip) adds hardware accelerated ray tracing support.
 

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I’m really hoping the 2020 iPad Pro doesn’t get left out. If it does, I’m going to be really mad and my wallet will be in excruciating pain as soon as the M2 iPad Pro is released. I actually am on the edge about upgrading anyway, but if the 2020 iPad Pro is still supported by iPadOS 16, that’ll save me about $3000 (I live in Canada, that‘s why the iPad Pro is so expensive here) so I can wait until the OLED iPad Pro comes out in 2024, and I’ll have an easier time saving up to buy a MacBook Pro in the meantime, since I’ve all but given up hope for the iPad software ever becoming more useful. It’s basically an expensive laptop/tablet that runs a blown up mobile operating system. Then again, I might upgrade anyway because I might run out of storage and because I want the cellular model. I’ve used up almost 400GB on my 512GB iPad Pro. I’m also hoping that the next iPad Pro (which would mean the M2 chip) adds hardware accelerated ray tracing support.
I think I’d be kind of annoyed too as there’s nothing wrong with my 2020 iPad Pro other than it’s a previous generation. I wouldn’t mind the upgrade to the M1 iPad Pro (Apple Store has a bonus trade in value of $10-$50 until May 31 - conveniently right before WWDC). I’d like to have a cellular version, but that’s not too important. At this point, might as well wait for the 2022 iPad Pro.

What they show at WWDC will really determine whether I want to keep my 2020 12.9 iPad Pro, wait for the new one, or switch to a MacBook as my main device.
 

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I think I’d be kind of annoyed too as there’s nothing wrong with my 2020 iPad Pro other than it’s a previous generation. I wouldn’t mind the upgrade to the M1 iPad Pro (Apple Store has a bonus trade in value of $10-$50 until May 31 - conveniently right before WWDC). I’d like to have a cellular version, but that’s not too important. At this point, might as well wait for the 2022 iPad Pro.

What they show at WWDC will really determine whether I want to keep my 2020 12.9 iPad Pro, wait for the new one, or switch to a MacBook as my main device.
Same here. Hopefully they unveil new software that fixes the limitations of iPadOS and supports 2020 iPad Pros (which will probably mean the 2018 Pros get fully supported as well, since they have the same chip, save for a binned GPU core on the A12X compared to the A12Z), unless RAM makes a difference, but then again, they might as well give the 1TB 2018 Pro better software support because it has 6GB compared to the 4GB on the lower end 2018 iPad Pros, which at this point is going to be a bottleneck, and why I’d recommend getting a refurbished 2020 instead of a 2018 if people want an iPad Pro without spending almost MacBook Pro levels of money
 

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By the same token, after more than a decade there still isn't a Mac with a touchscreen for drawing, something even the first iPad offered. If you need Maya or FCP for work I'm not sure why you'd want to run them with only 5GB available RAM and no swap, or only 12GB RAM on the 1/2TB iPads.
exactly, you answered to your own question
for me touchscreen is not a "mac doesnt know" you navigate with the cursor and not the finger...the mac can handle anything
 

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Perhaps the windowed mode will require a keyboard and mouse/trackpad to be attached. That would make sense considering the windows will need a minimal border of some sort. Easier to manipulate with a mouse. I'd say it's a fair trade off.

It would also be useful if the scaling could be reduced at bit. Then more could fit on an 11'.
 

MayaUser

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By the same token, after more than a decade there still isn't a Mac with a touchscreen for drawing, something even the first iPad offered. If you need Maya or FCP for work I'm not sure why you'd want to run them with only 5GB available RAM and no swap, or only 12GB RAM on the 1/2TB iPads.
exactly, you answer to your own question (ipad do less)...the mac can handle a lot more even more now that share the same architecture and a lot of ipadOS can run on the mac...ipad is still fragile and so limited
 
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rui no onna

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Same here. Hopefully they unveil new software that fixes the limitations of iPadOS and supports 2020 iPad Pros (which will probably mean the 2018 Pros get fully supported as well, since they have the same chip, save for a binned GPU core on the A12X compared to the A12Z), unless RAM makes a difference, but then again, they might as well give the 1TB 2018 Pro better software support because it has 6GB compared to the 4GB on the lower end 2018 iPad Pros, which at this point is going to be a bottleneck, and why I’d recommend getting a refurbished 2020 instead of a 2018 if people want an iPad Pro without spending almost MacBook Pro levels of money

We don’t know yet which models are getting which features. I wouldn’t make any purchasing decisions/recommendations with regards to iOS 16 until after the dust has settled.

Even then, I don’t have very high hopes for iOS 16. That way often lies disappointment.
 
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I’m really hoping the 2020 iPad Pro doesn’t get left out. If it does, I’m going to be really mad and my wallet will be in excruciating pain as soon as the M2 iPad Pro is released. I actually am on the edge about upgrading anyway, but if the 2020 iPad Pro is still supported by iPadOS 16, that’ll save me about $3000 (I live in Canada, that‘s why the iPad Pro is so expensive here) so I can wait until the OLED iPad Pro comes out in 2024, and I’ll have an easier time saving up to buy a MacBook Pro in the meantime, since I’ve all but given up hope for the iPad software ever becoming more useful. It’s basically an expensive laptop/tablet that runs a blown up mobile operating system. Then again, I might upgrade anyway because I might run out of storage and because I want the cellular model. I’ve used up almost 400GB on my 512GB iPad Pro. I’m also hoping that the next iPad Pro (which would mean the M2 chip) adds hardware accelerated ray tracing support.
Yeah we need ray tracing for p2w mobile games.
 

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exactly, you answer to your own question (ipad do less)...the mac can handle a lot more even more now that share the same architecture and a lot of ipadOS can run on the mac...ipad is still fragile and so limited
This argument has always been, and will forever be, pointless. The iPad was never intended to be a Mac replacement. Steve Jobs described it as middle device between the iPhone and MacBook. I expect my iPad Pro to powerfully do what I need in terms of art and music creation, music performance, PDF markup, photo editing and much more. It also can do typical "computer stuff" when I'm out and about, so that I don't have to carry my heavy 16" MBP.

Likewise, I don't get mad at my MBP because I can't turn it sideways (portrait mode) to read sheet music, or make performance cue marks with my Apple Pencil.
 
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exactly, you answer to your own question (ipad do less)...the mac can handle a lot more even more now that share the same architecture and a lot of ipadOS can run on the mac...ipad is still fragile and so limited
Depends on what you use each for. I don't use Maya or FCP so the fact that they don't exist on the iPad is not the iPad doing less. It's a theoretical problem for me at best.
 
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By the same token, after more than a decade there still isn't a Mac with a touchscreen for drawing, something even the first iPad offered. If you need Maya or FCP for work I'm not sure why you'd want to run them with only 5GB available RAM and no swap, or only 12GB RAM on the 1/2TB iPads.
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darngooddesign

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No swap memory and only ~70% of physical RAM is available to apps. So while the very expensive 1/2TB iPads can give apps ~12GB, all of the lower tier iPads have ~5GB RAM for any app. If Apple can't even universally entice developers to click a button to make their iOS apps run on Macs, how are they going to encourage pro desktop developers to target the latest 1/2TB iPad Pros that start at $1500 + keyboard/mouse.
 

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define "does more" The ipad even after a decade still doesnt offer full file management support :)) something that was basic thing for any OS back 20 years ago
Hey if on my ipad can work in Maya or final cut pro, im all for it
Why don’t you speak to the devs if you want the apps? Nothing stops the iPad from running anything, if it’s practical on such a device.

What is full file management support when it’s at home? I can manage all my files just fine. If you can’t then perhaps follow some online instructions?
Or, if you like, I’ll wait while you pull out a random niche use case, something that wouldn’t suit a touch first computer in the first place.
 
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