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Zwhaler

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Why are you even clicking on that tab if you're not in Apple Music subscriber?

This is actually making my point... why is that tab even there if I'm not an Apple Music subscriber? I got that image from Google, btw. I was referring to the tabs on the bottom, not the content in the main window. And this begs the question, why else would that tab be there if I'm not an Apple Music subscriber? To pressure me to subscribe to Apple Music.
 

mjschabow

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So basically it's not the app that's junk, it's that you'd like there to be 2 versions of the app, one for subscribers, one for non subscribers. I think that's fair. Maybe it's something they'll add in the future.
 
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Zwhaler

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Just like everything in life, you can't make everyone happy.


It would be nice if Apple let you use third party apps to manage and play your own music.
Ouch, I didn't actually know iOS users couldn't do that. Being an Android user I would often say that the iPod (Music app) on the iPhone was the biggest thing I missed from switching. Sadly that is not the case anymore. Truthfully I'm not here to bash Apple needlessly, I really want them to make this app amazing (if it ain't broke don't fix it, same goes with iTunes which has also gotten worse) but many users including myself can see right through Apple's presentation of this new interface to what it really is, a tactic to gain subscribers and punish those who don't.
 
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e93to

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You can get rid of Connect by enabling Restrictions. However, that doesn't put any other useful icon on the menu bar. The number of icons is just reduced to three instead of four
 

HankHowdy

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Ouch, I didn't actually know iOS users couldn't do that. Being an Android user I would often say that the iPod (Music app) on the iPhone was the biggest thing I missed from switching. Sadly that is not the case anymore. Truthfully I'm not here to bash Apple needlessly, I really want them to make this app amazing (if it ain't broke don't fix it, same goes with iTunes which has also gotten worse) but many users including myself can see right through Apple's presentation of this new interface to what it really is, a tactic to gain subscribers and punish those who don't.


Aren't all the tabs you need in the my music section?
 
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Zwhaler

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So basically it's not the app that's junk, it's that you'd like there to be 2 versions of the app, one for subscribers, one for non subscribers. I think that's fair. Maybe it's something they'll add in the future.

I definitely would. As the article said Beats had it right, back when My Music was separate from streaming. By mashing the two together and giving 80% of the priority to Apple Music, millions of users have had their music experience demoted. This is also sad because Apple was an undisputed leader in this category not to mention an industry pioneer. If they had simply introduced an Apple Music app, this thread wouldn't exist. I also do not see any financial incentive for them to separate the two so long as the consumers don't voice their dissatisfaction with their wallets en masse (it's really not big enough of an issue for that to happen).
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Aren't all the tabs you need in the my music section?
They are, but it is an inferior browsing experience, and it doesn't solve the incessant and useless Apple Music features baked into the app at the expense of what used to be the world's best music player GUI.
 
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sigalf

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Try ´Wall Of Sound'. Free app on the Appstore to listen to your music. Can work with your local library, iTunes, and Apple Music. Elected in the top 10 apps on iOS in 2012. Updated since then for all iOS versions.
 

lagwagon

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You can get rid of Connect by enabling Restrictions. However, that doesn't put any other useful icon on the menu bar. The number of icons is just reduced to three instead of four

In 9.3 beta 2 There is no Connect tab and it's been replaced with a Playlist tab. I don't have Restrictions enabled and never have.
 

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TrenttonY

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Heres the issue.

the Songs, Albums, Artist sub menus are at the very top of the My Music tab. So if i want to switch views I have to scroll all the way to the top and tap the ^ to access it with its Share Sheet style UI. This could be so much simpler, and faster if they got rid of the ^ and Share Sheet UI, and just showed the icons.

*Note* I couldn't figure out how to place the row of icons normal, but it still gives you the idea.

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Same thing for iTunes on Mac.

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Side note: why can't in Multitasking for iOS and Mission Control for Mac, show above the card an icon that indicates the app currently has background audio.. I get so mad when accidentally close my music.
 
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lagwagon

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Heres the issue.

the Songs, Albums, Artist sub menus are at the very top of the My Music tab. So if i want to switch views I have to scroll all the way to the top and tap the ^ to access it with its Share Sheet style UI. This could be so much simpler, and faster if they got rid of the ^ and Share Sheet UI, and just showed the icons.

*Note* I couldn't figure out how to place the row of icons normal, but it still gives you the idea.

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Same thing for iTunes on Mac.

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Side note: why can't in Multitasking for iOS and Mission Control for Mac, show above the card and icon that indicates that is the app sound is coming from. I get so mad when accidentally close my music.

You don't have to scroll up per say. Tap the time in the status bar at the top and it instantly moves to the top from where ever you were down the list (this works for pretty much everywhere in iOS and in apps as a quick way back to top.)

Also your icon suggestion doesn't exactly solve anything. You would still have to go back to the top to see them (thus still having to do the first step you pointed out as being annoying.)
 

TrenttonY

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You don't have to scroll up per say. Tap the time in the status bar at the top and it instantly moves to the top from where ever you were down the list (this works for pretty much everywhere in iOS and in apps as a quick way back to top.)

Also your icon suggestion doesn't exactly solve anything. You would still have to go back to the top to see them (thus still having to do the first step you pointed out as being annoying.)

Its solves not having to hit the ^ and waiting for it to come up and go down when you select your desired menu. If you think about it, that alone takes a couple of seconds, which I think adds to the feeling of the Music app being sluggish.
 
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lagwagon

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Its solves not having to hit the ^ and waiting for it to come up and go down when you select your desired menu. If you think about it, that alone takes a couple of seconds, which I think adds to the feeling of the Music app being sluggish.

I suppose icons outside of a menu would save a second. But how often do people change their sort view? For me personally I keep mine in Artist 100% of the time. To me it seems easier to find specific albums or songs going to the artist in the list. But that might just be me because I have 8000+ songs locally on my phone and having to sift through 8000+ entries in Song view or 500-600+ entries in album view would get annoying fast.

Again my own personal opinion. Adding more icons just creates more clutter. Having then within the menu is much cleaner.

There have been some that think the Music app has too many icons to tap as it is. Adding more would only upset them even more.
 
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KALLT

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The previous music app also allowed you to choose and rearrange the tabs. That’s also gone.
 
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Jessica Lares

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We could argue all day about which view is better, but the fact is that they’ve changed the way that browsing music had worked since the original music app. We’re all used to using the app in certain ways.
 
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unobtainium

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The solution is simple: move into the 21st century and start steaming your music with Spotify or Apple or some other service.
 
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sanke1

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My biggest issues with Music App are:

1. Why does have to taunt me that Purchased music is hidden? I know what I have disabled.
2. How many times does the music app hang at Apple music screen with the lady in black jacket and blue headphones?
3. When will our albums scroll smoothly?
 

BillyMatt87

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I agree with a bunch of you guys that the UI of the new music app is atrocious.

I do believe that the Apple Music service should be its own app (an optional App Store download) and the radio features should also be a separate app.

The stock music app should resemble and function more like the previous releases (especially the iOS 6 version) and re-add some of the features they took away since iOS 8.4 such as landscape view, customizable tabs and shake-to-shuffle.

As for the design layout, they should remove the transparent status bar over the album art in the Now Playing screen, it's really distracting and I'm sure that I'm not the only person irked by that design flaw.

There's a lot more that needs to be fixed with the stock music app and until Apple does a complete overhaul (and actually does it right), I'm not gonna be buying anymore iOS devices anytime soon. Part of the reason why I was so attracted to Apple products was for how easy and fun it was to play and listen to music on them. Now, the experience is aggravating and the app is poorly designed. WTF Apple? You made the iPod and iTunes (before it got so bloated), you can do so much better than the crap you have out right now. Very un-Apple and I've been very disappointed with Apple lately but hopefully they will come around and surprise/amaze us again but I won't hold my breath because Tim Cook's Apple is all about the bottom line and mediocrity doesn't seem to be a concern in Cupertino nowadays...
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Heres the issue.

Side note: why can't in Multitasking for iOS and Mission Control for Mac, show above the card an icon that indicates the app currently has background audio.. I get so mad when accidentally close my music.

I miss the little 'play' indicator on the top right-hand side of the status bar. It was an iOS fixture until Jony Ive removed it in 7 for some reason. What was the point of removing it again?
 

adamhenry

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The solution is simple: move into the 21st century and start steaming your music with Spotify or Apple or some other service.

No problem. You start paying for my data and service and I'll sign right up. That way I'm still paying for my music once. As it is now I pay for my music, then pay Apple to stream it to me, and pay VZW for the bandwidth to stream it to me?
 
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danleon950410

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I agree. AM needs its own separate app.
I feel the same about the evolution of stock apps.

IMO, Apple is so obsessed with "simplism" on their designs that they're taking it over functionality, reducing it a lot and getting (almost) no one happy
 

lagwagon

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I agree. AM needs its own separate app.
I feel the same about the evolution of stock apps.

IMO, Apple is so obsessed with "simplism" on their designs that they're taking it over functionality, reducing it a lot and getting (almost) no one happy

Lol...seperate app? Yeah, right. While we're at it lets have apps that cost money have their own App Store app. I don't want to look at apps that cost money when looking for free apps.

I barely ever use bookmarks in Safari. Apple should have Safari bookmarks as a separate app also. I don't want to see the bookmark button at the bottom while browsing.

Seperate apps for every feature of iOS!!! Things are too simple these days.
 
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BillyMatt87

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Lol...seperate app? Yeah, right. While we're at it lets have apps that cost money have their own App Store app. I don't want to look at apps that cost money when looking for free apps.

I barely ever use bookmarks in Safari. Apple should have Safari bookmarks as a separate app also. I don't want to see the bookmark button at the bottom while browsing.

Seperate apps for every feature of iOS!!! Things are too simple these days.

Remember how Podcasts used to be baked into the iPod/Music app? It's the same mentality really. The Apple Music streaming service app should be an optional download in the App Store kinda like Spotify. The radio features of Beats and iTunes could also be a separate app called Radio (I'm pretty sure Apple was considering this idea at one point). Therefore, the Music app would essentially go back to the basics, a focus on storing your personal music library and being the traditional iPod player that we all know and love.
 
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