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[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

USB-C doesn’t inherently mean faster than 2.0 transfer speeds, since 2.0 is part of the spec. Hopefully Apple goes with faster than the bare minimum though.

For Apple, it’s about getting you to spend the most, not about giving all iPhones what’s actually really inexpensive, mass produced tech that’s found in nearly all consumer tech today (like the components that make up a USB-C port).

So if nobody steps in, then Apple will most likely limit the benefits that contemporary USB-C offers over Lightning to iPhones Pro and give mid-tier and SE iPhones USB-C with the old USB 2.0 Lightning specs.

They did it for iPad 10 so why not mid-tier iPhones 15 and the next iPhone SE too?

Apple only said it would ”comply” with regulations, not what specs they’ll do for USB-C.

If there’s nothing in the E.U. regulations to keep Apple from doing this, I’d be very surprised if they don’t leverage the port shift to sell more iPhones Pro.

Consumer’s reactions will not be a boycott, they’ll just buy more iPhones Pro.

 

[johnmacward]

Nothing wrong with Lightning in particular, and I don't think Apple's too happy about being forced to get rid of it.

Lightning is slower than modern USB-C, and Apple may have been playing it out to keep their proprietary Lightning connectors while also working toward good enough wireless connections & adoption to go portless. Unfortunately, bureaucrats decided to stifle future innovation for wired connectivity by mandating a 2014 connector technology, so if Apple wants to continue selling products where devices without USB-C are banned, they're forced to use USB-C for an interim period. At least until wireless capabilities become more viable for diagnostics and file transfers, and assuming bureaucrats don't attempt to squelch new technologies there as well.

There's nothing more anti-innovative then holding onto a connector type, totally proprietary, ridiculously expensive thats more than a decade old and has been replaced by something better, faster and more robust (USB-C) and makes the using of a single cable type between friends, family, your local café, your train station USB ports, outdoor quick chargers MUCH more simple. Not a single one of us would suggest that it would be a great idea if our plug sockets at home were 3 or 4 different styles. One single design is sometimes a GREAT idea. It's pure capitalist propaganda that bureaucrats stifle innovation - companies just don't like regulation even when it works in our favour. In many cases you could replace the word innovation with profits. Bureaucrats occasionally stifle company "profits" to prevent global harms. Don't forget that you vote for your bureaucrats, you can vote them out too (at least it's what we do in Europe).

 

[johnmacward]

They specifically name and mandate that USB-C be used. And yes, there's a slim chance something else could eventually replace USB-C if a new connector sees widespread adoption and is later agreed upon by the EU. In theory, device manufacturers could create a new connector and deploy it alongside USB-C (the device would need to be manufactured to have both) until the EU agrees to the new standard and decrees it is the new standard.

The other challenge to manufacturers is that the EU no longer wants companies to include cables with devices, although they're waiting a few years on the implementation of that rule. When implemented, that will create another barrier to innovation, as someone with a better connector idea would not only have to design devices with both USB-C and the better connector, but also convince customers it's so good, they should purchase a separate cable.

The chances of all that coming together are remote. Independent innovation or development would have insurmountable hurtles to overcome. Likely the only chance for an update is when the USB Implementers organization decides to move on from USB-C and puts in a request with the EU, effectively locking out manufacturers or groups who may come up with a better solution.

Again, I fail to see the lack of innovation here. You're obsessed that bureaucrats are just limiting everything because its their raison d'être. For such a universal device to have something standardised like its port is NOT the area of innovation anyone really cares about. Phones are not held back really by their ports (ironically iPhones with Lightning are, in many ways). USB-C is capable of 10Gbps transfer speeds - no telephone can really go faster than this, nor needs to. Charging speeds up to 100w for both phones AND laptops AND any other device that could use 100w. The connector type is robust, strong, compact and not prone to dust intake like Lightning. It being standardised means that replacing the connector should be an easy task as its blueprints and design are not licensed and hidden behind big fees (although I believe there are some fees involved with USB-C, which should be scrapped).

"Likely the only chance for an update is when the USB Implementers organization decides to move on from USB-C and puts in a request with the EU, effectively locking out manufacturers or groups who may come up with a better solution."

Who's coming up with a better solution than the actual manufacturers themselves. The USB working group IS the connector and tech industry. All the top tech players participate on its board - they're the stiflers of innovation when their final USB design is designed to be "profitable" or at least cheap for the industry as opposed to decent, robust and long lasting. Previous USB designs have been criticised for this (especially USB mini designs). They're not influenced by the EU in the design, just the EU want to implemlent something that ties in with pathetically paltry green goals and prevents over production and standardises something that we use on a daily basis.

 

[johnmacward]

Nothing. Some YouTubers said USB-C and all the ‘sheeple’ are now repeating it.

Your response could be used for just about anything in life that you don't like. "I don't like a thing, hence they're wrong". It would be great if you could develop your argument.

 

[jwolf6589]

I think that number will slowly rise or something in the near future. The videos and photos are getting larger and Apple is maintaining the 2TB iCloud limit not to mention the cost of that let alone if/when they do give more options. I know most people are not shooting ProRaw and those that are probably offload the footage if it is still needed or delete if not, but all the 4k little videos that people record will eventually hit the limit storage wise and most people don't want the high monthly iCloud or the higher cost iPhone just for basically storage

This is why it's better to use a real Camcorder or camera for such videos. For my iPhone/ipad I have them set on the default resolution and avoid 4K.

 

[Wando64]

What’s wrong with the lighting port and why is apple and everyone else so anxious to get rid of it? My iPhone 13, Apple TV remote, AirPods, Magic Mouse, all use lightning and I am not upgrading the moment they all feature USB-C ports.

Do your external SSDs, monitors and hubs use Lightning?
Why not?
There’s your answer.



Clue:
It is slow and it is not an industry standard.

 

[jwolf6589]

Do your external SSDs, monitors and hubs use Lightning?
Why not?
There’s your answer.



Clue:
It is slow and it is not an industry standard.

But my SSD is not a iphone.

 

[Sami13496]

Your response could be used for just about anything in life that you don't like. "I don't like a thing, hence they're wrong". It would be great if you could develop your argument.

I didn’t say “I don’t like it”. I said too many people repeat it like parrots because everyone talks about it. That is my opinion. Like it or not.

 

[scorpio vega]

I am fine with lightning but it will be useful to use usb c when I need a charger and it is more common place to find those.

 

[cyanite]

It mandates for apple to drop proprietary(read license and fee gatekeeped) solutions to be sold in Europe.

No it doesn’t. Stop spreading misinformation. It mandates that certain device categories have a USB C connector capable of USB PD.

I would like to carry less chargers when I travel. Presently it’s 4 chargers for 4 devices. When I was in the hospital I had all except my laptop. An annoying pain. Watch, iPad, iPhone.

Surely one charger is enough? Apple chargers are all USB. You do need multiple cables. I only carry one charger, an Anker two USB C, one USB A.

No, it’s capable of high speed. Apple just cripples it, which I disagree with. But it’s more robust, longer lasting, and just as speedy as USB-C

USB C requires USB 2.0 as a baseline, but nothing else. There is a difference between not implementing something and crippling it. Lightning isn’t really capable of USB 3 speeds due to its limited pins (8).

If there’s nothing in the E.U. regulations to keep Apple from doing this, I’d be very surprised if they don’t leverage the port shift to sell more iPhones Pro.

The legislation is only about USB C and PD.

 

[SirAnthonyHopkins]

Another masterpiece of a thread from the best poster on here.

Swear you’re just doing this for a laugh now.

 

[cthompson94]

This is why it's better to use a real Camcorder or camera for such videos. For my iPhone/ipad I have them set on the default resolution and avoid 4K.

While I agree with you especially in terms of quality what various other reasons, it is also unrealistic to expect the majority to do that. As smartphones and small devices like action cameras get smaller and/or better the people who are willing to carry around a bulky camcorder or DSLR/Mirrorless camera is less and less especially when you have people going viral or becoming successful off of just a phone.

 

[JMStearnsX2]

Most simple answer. USBC is universal. In theory, every device can use the same cable to transfer video, audio, data, power, and all at higher speeds and qualities than lightning. Imagine a world where the same cable powered your laptop and phone and speakers and every other electronic device you use.

Lightning only still around because it is proprietary and and apple makes a ton of money for licensing of the tech. Attaching a pic of my travel bag. I am eagerly awaiting the day when I no longer carry those lame lightning cables.

PS - new chargers need to stop adding in ports or using USB-A. Thats my only pet peave w the black charger in this photo.

Mind sharing what bag this is?

 

[Devnul0]

In theory, every device can use the same cable to transfer video, audio, data, power, and all at higher speeds and qualities than lightning.

Not quite true. USB-C only specifies the connector. Any given cable could support faster or slower protocols, more or less bandwidth, more or less charging wattage ...

 

[Isamilis]

I would like to carry less chargers when I travel. Presently it’s 4 chargers for 4 devices. When I was in the hospital I had all except my laptop. An annoying pain. Watch, iPad, iPhone.

Why do you need 4 chargers? Lots of 40-ish watt charger with dual usb C ports are sufficient for MacBook, iPad, iPhone and watch.

 

[johnmacward]

But my SSD is not a iphone.

Are you trolling a little ? If not can you justify why Lightning is more or less justifiable compared to USB-C ? Why keep it anymore ?

Do you not see that if your iPhone, iPad, GalaxyTab, desk fan, external SSD, DSLR, GoPro were all just USB-C, that your life would be infinitely less complicated needing only one cable. And one way or the other when you will inevitably have a few USB-C cables at home or in the car, or in your travel bag - they'll always be the right cable, rather than needing to have an emergency supply of 2 or 3 other cables in each place. And when others have a cable, those cables will always be a cable than you can use because its just one type.

This is the same argument for why we dont have 4 or 5 types of electrical plug at home. No one complains that there should be more choice in plug sockets. We just really need one that functions and is universal upstairs, downstairs, at work, at a friends house etc.

 

[Isamilis]

Gee, I wonder if that’s perhaps largely in part due to Apple aggressively pushing iCloud for all its devices and the “tiny” detail that USB 2.0 aka the tech inside your Lightning cables and connectors has a theoretical speed limit of 480mb/s and real world transfer speeds of some 30-60mb/s? So transferring one 100gb file would take 30 minutes?

Despite its unreliable nature, Wifi has been way faster than USB 2.0 for several many years. Every iPhone owner knows this from first hand experience thanks to Apple’s greed.

But Wi-Fi being way faster than cabled transfers is not because cabled transfers are slower, or USB not seeing any improvements. It’s because Apple only gives you the same 480mb/s that equates to about 60mb/s irl that we have been getting from all USB 2.0 since april 2000 when USB 2.0 debuted.

I also “love” this notion that the change from Lightning to USB-C is some huge, incredibly costly and highly complex undertaking for Apple, as if it hasn’t been putting it in Macs since 2015 and iPads Pro in 2018 with nothing but improvements and no downsides or hiccups whatsoever because it’s literally the same USB tech just minus the proprietary connectors/ports we get with Lightning(!!!)

Lightning is not some super advanced alien technology that Steve Jobs inherited from the Pleiadians and left us as his magnum opus before his passing. It’s in no way superior or has any other abilities than any other iteration of USB 2.0 other than the formfactor being smaller and the male connector inserted in any direction.

I could understand the sentimental feelings towards Lightning if Apple had actually improved it and brought it up to speed over the years. But they chose the route of no r&d and higher margins.

But, thankfully, the E.U. is stepping in and shutting down the outdated proprietary mess that Apple has created.

Lightning connector is the one that hold me from upgrade my iPhone. I have bunch of lightning cables already, and many of them peel off easily.

 

[SilvioInfante]

When people say slower, do they mean for charging? Surely the vast, vast majority of people don’t use a cable for transferring data. We have this thing called the cloud, and apples version of it has been around even longer than lightning!

Correct. Most of these people are just obsessed with the OCD concept of “one cable to rule them all” (while conveniently, ignoring the fact that there are at least 18 different specs for a USB-C cable), and they know this isn’t a good enough argument, so they throw in comments about wired data transfer as if anyone anywhere is actually still doing wired data transfer.

 

[BradMacPro]

What’s wrong with the lighting port and why is apple and everyone else so anxious to get rid of it? My iPhone 13, Apple TV remote, AirPods, Magic Mouse, all use lightning and I am not upgrading the moment they all feature USB-C ports.

Frankly not a lot wrong, but Apple is being forced by the European Union government to switch to USB-C for iPhones. Apparently many homes have both iPhones and Android phones and they get confused which to use. Apparently pretty dumb in that part of the world, or at least their government. This is the 2nd largest market outside the USA. But a switch to USB-C will just mean they will now need more dongles to support legacy products or spend thousands to upgrade their devices. Modern Macs have USB-C so it won’t be so bad. And USB-C holds hope for faster charging and faster data sync, but those features may be for iPhone 15 Pro models only.

 

[GoofyCyborg]

Apparently many homes have both iPhones and Android phones and they get confused which to use. Apparently pretty dumb in that part of the world, or at least their government.

You are spouting rubbish!!! The logic that a single connector type will allow a charger to be used by multiple devices. This is thought to improve consumer convenience and to significantly reduce electronic waste.

USB-C is better than Apple's lightning port in every way.

 

[alangore]

What’s wrong with the lighting port and why is apple and everyone else so anxious to get rid of it? My iPhone 13, Apple TV remote, AirPods, Magic Mouse, all use lightning and I am not upgrading the moment they all feature USB-C ports.

When I upgraded my iPad Pro last year, the new one came with the USB-C port. I found could plug my Kingston flash drive into it and read and write files from the iPad! Just try that with a Lightning port.

 

[johnmacward]

Frankly not a lot wrong, but Apple is being forced by the European Union government to switch to USB-C for iPhones. Apparently many homes have both iPhones and Android phones and they get confused which to use. Apparently pretty dumb in that part of the world, or at least their government. This is the 2nd largest market outside the USA. But a switch to USB-C will just mean they will now need more dongles to support legacy products or spend thousands to upgrade their devices. Modern Macs have USB-C so it won’t be so bad. And USB-C holds hope for faster charging and faster data sync, but those features may be for iPhone 15 Pro models only.

Your argument starts out criticising much of the EU population for not distinguishing between USB C and Lightning (and for some no doubt who are a bit scared of tech, that could be the case but it would be the case in the US too - we're all just humans after all, equally as stupid and as clever as each other) and then you start to say something about dongles and I don't AT ALL see the connection between iPhones having a USB C port and then suddenly needing a dongle - does any iPhone use a dongle, well no in fact so please explain this. Wouldn't a Lightning based iPhone have the need for dongles too considering that NOTHING is really made with Lightning in mind and its just really a limited charging port based on USB 2. I'm trying to stay within the limits of the topic and I think you should too. Then you finish off by saying, actually it would be a good idea because USB-C charges faster, and has a higher data rate (so finally I think that you may even like it) but maybe only available on the iPhone 15 Pro even though the EU has already considered and discussed a market ban of iPhones in Europe if they stifle the faster USB C protocol and limit it to USB 2 speeds (which i believe they should do, the EU is literally standing up for its own citizens) - so who knows what will happen BUT please explain to me how getting iPhones off an old proprietary connector that is slow, expensive license wise and prone to constant dust ingress is actually a bad thing...

 

[Andeddu]

Correct. Most of these people are just obsessed with the OCD concept of “one cable to rule them all” (while conveniently, ignoring the fact that there are at least 18 different specs for a USB-C cable), and they know this isn’t a good enough argument, so they throw in comments about wired data transfer as if anyone anywhere is actually still doing wired data transfer.

Never met a single person who has ever spoke about connecting their phone to a computer. Most people don’t even have a desktop PC as their phone is all the computer they need. I have no intention of using any port for any reason as we live in a wireless world now.

 

[SilvioInfante]

Never met a single person who has ever spoke about connecting their phone to a computer. Most people don’t even have a desktop PC as their phone is all the computer they need. I have no intention of using any port for any reason as we live in a wireless world now.

We don't, actually. Very few people actually use wireless charging. Wired charging is still hugely popular.

 

[Andeddu]

We don't, actually. Very few people actually use wireless charging. Wired charging is still hugely popular.

Yeah. I can understand wired charging because I was actively using it until this year when I switched to the iPhone 13.

I just have never seen anyone do a data transfer with their phone wired up to a computer when Airdrop exists. I think it was common practice back in the 2010’s but not anymore.