Have you tried the xbench test yet? If so please post the results for us. I think the minor cpu boost would have no significant difference compared to the 1.86 model.
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Have you tried the xbench test yet? If so please post the results for us. I think the minor cpu boost would have no significant difference compared to the 1.86 model.
Wow, that doesn't make sense to me.
Unfortunately, that is the same display used in the last MBAs. But that is the display used in the high end with SSD in the last ones. MOSTLY good, but not always perfect. Mine was perfect. I saw MANY of those that were perfect. I saw one that was bad. I read others who returned as many as seven of that one and other display.
Too bad it's not the newest display used in the $2499 MBA that was like a 9C8F or something like that???????
The photos really helped prove your statement. You are a brand NEW user, and there are a lot of trolls trying to bash Apple whenever possible. I 100% believe your statement about the display. Wasn't anything personal not to believe you, but just never know who's really working for another agenda. Thanks for the photo proof.
It is extremely unfortunate that this happened to you, again. I am so sad now going forward. Why cannot Apple get this right? I did read it's a power issue, and I secretly thought Apple added a little to the battery to keep the battery power the same while giving a little more juice to the display. So unfortunate.
Just how bad are the lines on this thing? How disappointed are you? Are you going to try again? At least it's at a $1799 price tag instead of $2499! If we are going to get this same display, the $1449 refurbished rev B MBA with 1.86 GHz CPU and 128 GB SSD is probably the route to go.
However, a 2.13 GHz Intel SL9600 does exceed the 2.0 GHz barrier required for a lot of HD video apps like iTunes HD playback requires a 2 GHz CPU! AND, I would like to know the Flash demand on the CPU too. The MB has just enough more CPU power over the 1.86 MBA that the CPU gets about 15% less work... so is that solved with the 2.13 GHz CPU? Is this a power to the CPU issue for Flash/Quicktime and etc???
Would like to know so much more. I will have one tomorrow, and I will fully report all to everyone here.
GREAT XBENCH SCORE. The 1.86 was at 135! Nice BUMP!
Thanks. I reported it to the AIRniloc thread for MBA xBench marks.
Thanks. I reported it to the AIRniloc thread for MBA xBench marks.
Beats my 1.86 model by 14pts, so a good increase!
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=368609
Would like my hands on it for a side by side comparison of HD flash movies, encoding times, overall gaming fps boost in bootcamp to see if it's worth the extra cash. $1,449 refurbed 1.86 > $1799 new 2.13
Really, we haven't mentioned how great SNOW LEOPARD is going to be on this new 2.13 GHz and even the old 1.86 GHz... both with SSDs!
Also note, that the original MBA WILL NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPENCL as the Intel graphics is NOT capable!!! The 9400m is completely awesome!
We also haven't mentioned that Apple.com reports that the GPU in the newest MBA is 6x over the original MBA??? Does this mean the GPU is running full out now??? Probably another reason for the bump in xBench. Wonder what the 9400m changes were to the other MBPs??? Must have been a firmware update to it? Or, maybe even the older MBAs with 9400m will get the same firmware update?
So, I guess we need an xBench mark for the 1.86 NEW MBA with HDD. That should be a bump up from the xBench 1.86 HDD BTO option from before unless the older 9400m models get a firmware update???
Also note, that the original MBA WILL NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPENCL as the Intel graphics is NOT capable!!! The 9400m is completely awesome!
We also haven't mentioned that Apple.com reports that the GPU in the newest MBA is 6x over the original MBA??? Does this mean the GPU is running full out now??? Probably another reason for the bump in xBench. Wonder what the 9400m changes were to the other MBPs??? Must have been a firmware update to it? Or, maybe even the older MBAs with 9400m will get the same firmware update?
So, I guess we need an xBench mark for the 1.86 NEW MBA with HDD. That should be a bump up from the xBench 1.86 HDD BTO option from before unless the older 9400m models get a firmware update???
No worries, the skepticism is understandable.
I really want to keep this MBA--I love the speed bump and the form factor of course. But my eyes keep switching from trying to focus on what I'm reading and the lines, making it uncomfortable to use the screen. The lines are very faint, fainter than the lines visible on the Rev B I bought and returned in February, but I can feel the difference between this new machine and my Rev A and I don't think I can live with it.
I'm not inclined to ask for Apple to send me a replacement MBA--I've not yet seen a lines-free Rev B (old or new) in the stores or when I've ordered direct from Apple. It seems that they don't care to address the flaw and I feel bad about asking them to ship me new machines over and over again in the hope of finding a needle in a haystack.
I'll probably just live with my Rev A for a while longer until something pushes me towards a MBP or the real rev C (3.x model) comes out.
It's just too bad Apple doesn't care about the MBA right now. It cannot be burdened with dealing with it for this price... that's my guess now!
I may live with the "very" faint lines... although I didn't have any lines on my high end rev B 1.86 w/SSD which was made in January. It had the same model display.
I hope some other people report different news later today and tomorrow. Seems like there should be more than one recipient of the MBA today??? Seems you were extremely LUCKY,,, or unlucky depending on how you look at it.
Sorry it isn't good enough for you. Why not make Apple keep shipping you new MBAs? If they will do it, you may be surprised. I have seen plenty of that display model without lines. But I have seen plenty with them now too (saw five of them in last month with lines)! One didn't have lines earlier!
At this price, I am far less concerned about very faint lines, but I still think Apple owes us a flawless MBA. Although it is a $700 discount for an otherwise extremely fun Mac!
Does Apple give you a full refund when you complain about these lines? Do they keep offering to ship you more? What is their take?
Good luck with your search for a lineless 2.13 GHz MBA with SSD!
Uh so the previous revision b was x4 graphics, and this time its x6? Can anyone legitimately clarify where the extra x2 came from? and if this boost would also apply to the 13'' unibody macbooks and the now 13'' mbps running 9400m?
In February, when I called to return my previous MBA rev B, Apple acknowledged the lines problem, said they may have a firmware fix someday (not sure when), and offered a full refund if I didn't want to wait for the fix. I took the full refund.
I'll let you know what happens this time around. I plan to call Apple tomorrow to ask for a refund.
Can anyone confirm that the graphic card on the Rev C is the same 9400 as on the previous model. I understand that it is a refresh rather than a new model but the price makes it that much more attractive. I would not consider it as secondary computer at the old price but with the education discount, free ipod touch and new price, different story
If I read this all correctly people somehow believe the HDD models would have lines because it's not the "premium" version whereas the "premium" version (which is really just an SSD vs. HDD) should not have lines ... that is bunk. I've seen a few HDD models without lines, a few with them; SSD models with and without lines.
Now as for the Rev C having these mysterious lines ... if nothing was really changed inside (graphics card) then why would people think it wasn't a possibility?
Now as for the Rev C having these mysterious lines ... if nothing was really changed inside (graphics card) then why would people think it wasn't a possibility?
I don't think anyone thought it wasn't a possibility---and the OP has effectively demonstrated that it is. The graphics card shouldn't have anything to do with the issue because the same card is used in the other notebooks which have no lines. The hope was that Apple had stopped using the display panels that commonly exhibit this feature, in favor of the line-free 9C8F or something entirely different and even better. Looks like those hopes have been dashed.
While patiently waiting for more reports on the Air screen, I've talked myself into probably getting one of the new Pro models instead.
Why not? The new processor usually means its a new Revision, rather than just a drive capacity bump. It may not be a huge revision, but its still Rev C.
C'mon, get opening and reporting back on presence or not of lines. Don't forget the screen model
C'mon, get opening and reporting back on presence or not of lines. Don't forget the screen model
Will do in a bit (super busy getting some science results out right now). Can you or anybody here give me advice on how to check somewhat objectively on the lines? Some have said they're faint, and I don't want to make lines up. Is there something like a test image I can use to see the lines clearly if they exist?
Scottsdale, I have a 1.6 GHZ Rev B WITHOUT lines. I have heard you and others speculate that the lines issue is a power issue. The battery in my current Rev B does "seem" to not last as long as the Rev B it replaced (the first one had the lines). Do you think a Rev B without lines would have a noticeable difference in battery life?
I may be imagining the difference in battery life, but it's NOT because I have been thinking about this screen lines/power issue all along... that possibility just occurred to me.
Thoughts?
If you do a forum search for "grey lines", you won't have to look too hard through the results to find a photo of what you're looking for, albeit an exaggerated example. Most examples of the lines that I've seen first-hand are less noticeable than the ones in the photo I'm referring to. The lines are also easier to see if you have a line-free screen with which to directly compare, and they're generally most easily seen on a white or light-grey background. Some folks never see them, e.g., I clearly saw them on my rev B but my wife couldn't see them even when compared directly to her MB screen. They're best seen from an abnormally close viewing distance; from a "normal" viewing distance, they're more likely to give the faint appearance of an anti-glare coating on the glossy screen.
Just to be clear:
Do you guys anticipate the new 13" MBP to have a better display (or at least equal) than the MBA?
One of the things that surprised me about the unibody MBs was how the display was not as good as the even the Rev A MBA.
If the new MBP screen is equal or better than that of the MBA, then that will be a huge factor to me. I cannot tell just by the new specs they have listed.
Do you guys anticipate the new 13" MBP to have a better display (or at least equal) than the MBA?
One of the things that surprised me about the unibody MBs was how the display was not as good as the even the Rev A MBA.
If the new MBP screen is equal or better than that of the MBA, then that will be a huge factor to me. I cannot tell just by the new specs they have listed.